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Yep, that's right because none of the bonuses stack so a ragechemist/barbarian, which I also have one, can get you to 30 strength. Granted, a word of caution, the saves you'll have to make each time you get hit for being a ragechemist can be deadly especially if you go comatose in the middle of a fight and get coup-DE-graced.
Thats right but be careful not to knock yourself stupid with the whole int damage per hit and u may want to look in to bulls strength potions gor the extra cheese
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So, I was working on a power build guy. And came up with this
1st level Barb: human with 18 str and power attack.
2nd Alchemist: with mutagen and extract enlarge person
3rd Alchemist: rage chemist - viscectionist
So 18,6 for mutagen,4 for rage, and 2 enlarge. Is that right?
Ragechemist is a super dangerous option. You are almost assured to get your ass knocked unconscious if you get hit a few times, and if you're an Alch/Barbarian, your AC is pretty low, and lower when Raging.
The extra 2 Strength is totally not worth it, in my opinion.
It is funny to think of a scientist getting so mad it cant even talk or walk haha
You can do it, but it'll be a pretty limited duration, and that rage mutagen has nasty drawbacks that can quickly spiral out of control.
If you want to max Str, though, forget human. Point-buy an 18 and go orc, get 34 Str at second level.
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Also, to be safe you can carry a potion or give another divine character a scroll of lesser restoration. The ragechemist's penalties are temporary so once that gets popped on you, you return to your regular intelligence and will save but no longer get the +6 strength boost as the mutagen ends when lesser restoration is placed on you.
Unless u are playing in a high lvl game where u can auto pass a 15 will save I would go with beastmorph since u are more likely to make it to your auto 15 will saves and by then beastmorph has way better toys than a +2 str
I say go for it and be sure to add power attack and a two-handed greatsword. You'll be doing 55 damage to those 25 hit point opponents. It'll be fun watching them explode all the time.
At Alch2/Barb2 you can also have 4 primary natural attacks (Feral Mutagen for claw/claw/bite and lesser fiend totem for a gore).
It's an oldie but a goodie
although its a slightly depressing build to play because your peak is at level 4 and 5-20 is basically watching others catch up and surpass you at melee ;)
but for a say a 4th to 8th level game your gonna feel pretty bad ass ;)
^ I might beg to differ. Vestigial Arms for some nice two-handed weapon lets you add iterative attacks with 1.5 strength bonus, in addition to the 4 natural attacks you've got (that are admittedly now secondary).
Though I'm inclined to say Beastmorph rather than Ragechemist for easy access to pounce, since the Barb Totem is Fiend instead of Beast. Still, this could give you a lot of attacks, with a lot of strength to back it up (multiclassed at an even 10/10 would even see the fourth iterative come into play eventually, for 8 attacks on a pounce).
^ I might beg to differ. Vestigial Arms for some nice two-handed weapon lets you add iterative attacks with 1.5 strength bonus, in addition to the 4 natural attacks you've got (that are admittedly now secondary).
Though I'm inclined to say Beastmorph rather than Ragechemist for easy access to pounce, since the Barb Totem is Fiend instead of Beast. Still, this could give you a lot of attacks, with a lot of strength to back it up (multiclassed at an even 10/10 would even see the fourth iterative come into play eventually, for 8 attacks on a pounce).
Pretty sure highly optimized Barb and Monk builds can still outstrip that and if your going the freaky many arms route then Summoner Synthesist can beat that with easier access to pounce from the get go. I think JJ nixed the vestigal arms for 2x2h weapon TWF, but doesn't really matter.
However I find the strength in the alchemist to come from its versatility (bombs/extracts) and survivability (extracts + fast healing + immunites) not its overwhelming damage potential. From that perspective I find it one of the most fun classes to play
It is funny to think of a scientist getting so mad it cant even talk or walk haha
@ Phasics: True enough, I'm just pointing out that its potential doesn't necessarily fall that far behind the other martials in this case. A flying/pouncing Alchemist/Barb with a two-handed weapon, 4 natural attacks, and a lot of strength bonus could be pretty scary.
Of course, having access to many of the other awesome things alchemists get is certainly nice too :P
Uhhhhh don't forget about the massive piles of vivisectionist sneak attack dice from full round flanks if you're talking about who is catching who with what damage at what level.