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What are your thoughts on a new Doctor Who series reboot to redo the entire series of Doctor Who? That way you get to see the Entire seasons that have been lost forever...
The Doctor experiences his first regeneration and retreats to the TARDIS departing in the time machine without the Women. Sue (The Doctor's Galifreyan Granddaughter) must become a mother to galifreyan/human children to whom she teaches such useful knowledge as the wheel. Her descendants will have the ability to regenerate making them able to survive death.
A New Timeline
100,000 BC: Sue Teaches Cavemen how to make the wheel and basket weaving.
99,999 BC: The First of the Homo Temporal's are born.
This thread is relevant to my interests.
Pertwee is the best Doctor. Discuss.
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This thread is relevant to my interests.
Pertwee is the best Doctor. Discuss.
Jo Grant hmmm second only to Romana II
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Jo Grant hmmm second only to Romana II
Agreed.
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Also, in regards to the original comment:
No. Just no. It's a terrible idea. Absolutely awful. This is a show that's all about continuity for over 30 years' worth of episodes (not counting the down time). A reboot would enrage and alienate 99.9% of the fans. Maybe more.
I like both Romanas equally.
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What are your thoughts on a new Doctor Who series reboot to redo the entire series of Doctor Who? That way you get to see the Entire seasons that have been lost forever...
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Why mess with something that's working now? We waited decades for a restart, finally got assurance that the new series WAS linked to the old, and now you want to scrap and start over?
Why would they make a move that would be guaranteed to piss off 99 percent of the fan base?
One other thing...you really can't recreate the experience of a '60's show in the 21st century.
Sure you can...
1. Film the whole thing in a barn.
2. The B/W Doctor Who all originally filmed in 16mm - as long as you don't shoot in Blueray/1040HD pretend Black and White like they did with The Artist.
3. The remake series would need an alternate timeline so it isn't predictable. That alternate history shift must begin with An Unearthly Child.
4. Hartnell's Doctor is a bastard. Everything he does makes you mistrust his motives. He's the sort who would shoot JFK and then ask you to look after his gun while he 'goes for lunch'. "Hold this for a moment." as he pulls it from the library collection of rifles box and fires it out the window...and then passes it to you.
5. I would suggest that the Doctor's Regeneration form is based not on any fixed certainty - but rather on the moment (the when and where) it happens.
I like both Romanas equally.So did Tom Baker...
It's true, but he only married one of them.
4. Hartnell's Doctor is a bastard. Everything he does makes you mistrust his motives. He's the sort who would shoot JFK and then ask you to look after his gun while he 'goes for lunch'. "Hold this for a moment." as he pulls it from the library collection of rifles box and fires it out the window...and then passes it to you.
I found this...peculiar. Granted, my experience with the Hartnell episodes is pretty limited, but he always struck me as a crotchety grandpa figure, not untrustworthy at all.
Except in the original broadcast of the very first episode (which is included as a bonus in the Beginnings box set), which was shot live to tape and no one watched. They were given a second chance to film the first episode because no one watched. No one watched because it was, like, the day after the JFK assassination and people were in shock watching the coverage of that.
In the original broadcast of the first episode the Doctor is a PRICK. All the lines of dialogue are identical between both versions, but they basically told Hartnell to ease up a bit. He was like a rabid junkyard dog.
Jo Grant hmmm second only to Romana IIThis thread is relevant to my interests.
Pertwee is the best Doctor. Discuss.
Now, see, I like Jo Grant, but she was a step backwards from Liz Shaw IMO. Jo Grant was the archetypical bumbling blonde, perpetually in need of rescuing. Why did she work for UNIT? She was straight out of college and dopey--hardly a fit for a paramilitary unit. She's charming, but she's a ditz.
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Now, see, I like Jo Grant, but she was a step backwards from Liz Shaw IMO. Jo Grant was the archetypical bumbling blonde, perpetually in need of rescuing. Why did she work for UNIT? She was straight out of college and dopey--hardly a fit for a paramilitary unit. She's charming, but she's a ditz.Jo Grant hmmm second only to Romana IIThis thread is relevant to my interests.
Pertwee is the best Doctor. Discuss.
Jo got the job by being someone's relative. Liz Shaw was too smart for the early 70's television audience, which didn't believe women should have brains.
Of course, you wonder how closely the Doctor pays attention to the physical appearance, considering he once encouraged Ace to pass as Liz Shaw.
Oh yes. Ace. :D
Jo was endearing and an every person who grew with time, much like Mickey. As for the Audiences not being able to handle strong female roles Sarah Jane was the next companion... Peri was the throw back but that was when the BBC hated Dr Who and was doing its best to drive it into the ground Mel and the Happiness Patrol nearly caused me to stop watching. Then again Battlefield and the Curse of Fenric are two of the best Dr Who stories ever.
Ha. I like all McCoy. All.
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4x30min serials vs. 45min self-contained episodes - discuss
In what way?
The Hartnell stuff was like:
"An Unearthly Child" 23:24
"The Cave of Skulls" 24:26
"The Forest of Fear" 23:38
"The Firemaker" 24:22
All together the '100,000 BC' Story line constitutes 96 minutes. That's like a Doctor Who Movie. I could go that. Animated Doctor Who Remake of all the Story Arcs as Films.
Meh. I think 4x25 worked better for the old show, and I think 45 minute episodes work better for the new show.
I could get into more depth, but there's not really an argument to be had.
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Except in the original broadcast of the very first episode (which is included as a bonus in the Beginnings box set), which was shot live to tape and no one watched. They were given a second chance to film the first episode because no one watched. No one watched because it was, like, the day after the JFK assassination and people were in shock watching the coverage of that.
The "pilot" wasn't broadcast until 1991. The 23 November and 30 November 1963 airings were both the same reshot version; the reason for the repeat wasn't the Kennedy assassination—it was a power outage in parts of the country during the initial broadcast. 4.4 million people watched the original broadcast, while 6.0 million watched the repeat.
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Still I'm uncertain what they would do in a Reboot series with different events from An Unearthly Child. The Daleks begin a Temporal Invasion of Earth because they encountered the Doctor and friends in the Second Story Arc just after the '100,000 BC/An Unearthly Child' Cycle. If That doesn't Happen the History of the Daleks is going to be different. He does nothing but interfere in their civilization's development.
Ha. I like all McCoy. All.
McCoy's Doctor always struck me as the "I made a lot of mistakes. Now I have to clean them up. Starting with genocide on a cosmic scale. It's the right thing to do." sort of Doctor.
I mean, c'mon. Hand of Omega, anyone? Silver Nemesis? Wiping out an entire cadre of gods?!
Also, YD, you're a loony. Certifiable.
Also also, on the best question asked so far:
Romana I is hot and all, and Joe Grant and Sarah Jane had that sort of earthy-fiesty-go-get-em-girl feel about them, but nothing will ever beat Zoe in that sparkly jumpsuit.
Louise Jameson in Talons of Wen Chiang. Wet T-shirt. 'Nuff said.Also also, on the best question asked so far:
Romana I is hot and all, and Joe Grant and Sarah Jane had that sort of earthy-fiesty-go-get-em-girl feel about them, but nothing will ever beat Zoe in that sparkly jumpsuit.
Talons is probably my favourite Tom Baker episode...
I cant see it happening. It did work for Star Trek movies so you never know. If they ever do an american version of Dr Who i wonder if it would be a reboot of some type.
I firmly believe we will never get another Doctor over the age of 45+ again. If they want a hint of romance my bet will be 22-30 old actors from now on.
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I cant see it happening. It did work for Star Trek movies so you never know. If they ever do an american version of Dr Who i wonder if it would be a reboot of some type.
I firmly believe we will never get another Doctor over the age of 45+ again. If they want a hint of romance my bet will be 22-30 old actors from now on.
Unless it is old wrinkleys goin at it in the zero room...
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Ha. I like all McCoy. All.McCoy's Doctor always struck me as the "I made a lot of mistakes. Now I have to clean them up. Starting with genocide on a cosmic scale. It's the right thing to do." sort of Doctor.
I mean, c'mon. Hand of Omega, anyone? Silver Nemesis? Wiping out an entire cadre of gods?!
Also, YD, you're a loony. Certifiable.
Also also, on the best question asked so far:
Romana I is hot and all, and Joe Grant and Sarah Jane had that sort of earthy-fiesty-go-get-em-girl feel about them, but nothing will ever beat Zoe in that sparkly jumpsuit.
Zoe is hot. It's also cool that Wendy Padbury had a hand in getting this Matt Smitth guy into acting.
Genocide against the Daleks? Justified.
I love Mccoy.
Also there is more continuity between Mccoy's doctor in the new series then any other doctor. I mean, character development for companions, also uniqueness. I also feel like in his last two seasons the Cartmel Master plan was the right track. Only the BBC did a great job of screwing it over.
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At least speaking for me personally, it's when romance gets involved (or perhaps simply overly involved) that I find myself disliking the turn.
Rose's crushing on the Doctor was one of the main reasons I disliked her (that and her constant returning after she was supposed to be gone and stealing the spotlight from everybody else).
Martha's entire run got ruined because of the constant "you're not Rose" angsting.
The fact that Donna was NOT looking for a romantic relationship was part of what made her one of my favorites. Frankly I could stand for a lot more Companions like her, and happily. (Minus the hell of an ending she got...)
Amy and Rory had their involvement together, which thankfully took off (most of) the romantic interplay between Amy and the Doctor.
Not sure where the new girl is going to go, just yet.
It helps that I'm pretty romance-oblivious and I don't own a single pair of shipping goggles, so I often don't catch the subtext until it's pointed out to me or I stumble across someone explaining it online. But, especially with Rose, sometimes it's obvious enough even for me, and when it gets to that point it gets pretty irksome.
It's also in no way limited to Doctor Who, of course. >_>
They're getting a documentary on the making of Who ready... they found an actor to portray William Hartnell.
Yes, David Bradley. A fine choice.
Somewhat tangential, but...
This reminds me... I remember an article in Doctor Who Monthly where a (British) writer posed that Doctor Who should become more popular in the U.S. and the way to do this would be to do an American version, that would indeed be a reboot. He posed more of a love interest angle amongst other things.
The mail next month was entirely from American fans about why this was a horrible idea.
My (American) thoughts on what I'm pretty sure an American Doctor Who would look like in particular can be summed up in three words: "Red Dwarf USA."
(Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.)
And of course Doctor Who in all its glorious Britishness is growing increasingly popular the U.S. all the time, so clearly that writer was just an idiot.
Now, I could see a new Torchwood series that was American, that took place in the same universe but was its own take on it.
As to a reboot of Doctor Who in general...
As to a TV series, no. I think trying to reboot something like 33-40 seasons of TV probably is not going to be a good idea. I think there is too much baggage and too many sacred cows in that format at least to sacrifice.
I WOULD however would be open to the idea of a somewhat alternate universe Doctor Who that was in the form of novels or comic books or an animated series. I think some of the best stories of each Doctor could be taken, tightened, retold, expanded on. Continuity could be revisited with many inconsistencies cleaned up--after all, it could be started with all backstory known by the writers before the stories are done (unlike the actual series, where for example, "Gallifrey" and "Time Lords" weren't invented until six years into the show's production). And it would be unique in a way as it would (in my mind) a vision of a single unified group of writers, directors, producers, etc.
The double edged sword of Doctor Who's history is after all that many writers and producers had very different images of what they wanted the Doctor to be. Verity Lambert's Doctor Who was not Philip Hinchcliffe's Doctor Who was not John Nathan Turner's Doctor Who was not Stephen Moffat's Doctor Who. While this I believe has ultimately enriched the series by having many different visions of it, it of course lays the series open to a lot of divisiveness and confusion.
I think it would be okay to do this in a different medium because it can be avoided by die hards who won't have it any other way other than a TV series; more to the point, it doesn't have to compete with the existing TV series, which I think should not be invited. But it would allow to have some "What ifs" visited--without getting in the TV series' way.
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Clearly the only solution is Inspector Spacetime.
Oh and on the subject of the First Doctor, he was a conniving tricky bastard--or in Barbara's words, an "old rogue," and I love him for it. And the important thing is--the Doctor has never stopped being that man. He's learned to give a crap--or rather a more overt crap--about other people.
But he is still a sly, sometimes narcissistic anti-hero who goes in search of adventure for the sake of the joy of it, who meddles in others' affairs in part because of a truly strong sense of justice, but also because he thinks he is the only one brilliant enough to solve the problems he sees before him, and who deeply loves his companions but would never, ever, fully admit it, even if different aspects of him are better at it than others. Even fairly recent episodes of Doctor Who prove this is the case. He may be outwardly nicer and his humor is sometimes less sharp (and only sometimes), but he's still that old rogue (and a citizen of the universe and a gentleman to boot!).
Now, I could see a new Torchwood series that was American, that took place in the same universe but was its own take on it.
It's pretty much been done, to mixed reviews.
No reboots!
However, we have the audio tracks to all of the lost 1st and 2nd Doctor stories. How about remaking them with CGI animation using the voices of the original actors?
It's pretty much been done, to mixed reviews.
Now, I could see a new Torchwood series that was American, that took place in the same universe but was its own take on it.
I was thinking more with an entirely different cast (which you had no way of knowing). There's supposed to be multiple Torchwood teams out there, you could have a group in America easily (started off in Area 51 perhaps). Rather than work with something that was created by the BBC, start from scratch--with the right production team it could work I think.
No reboots!
However, we have the audio tracks to all of the lost 1st and 2nd Doctor stories. How about remaking them with CGI animation using the voices of the original actors?
Do we have ALL of the audio tracks? I know there are many, although the quality varies on many.
They did do animated episodes for some of the Doctor Who episodes that have come out on DVD--the Invasion for example (which is phenomenal). But they said it was very expensive so were uncertain at the time whether they'd do it very often.
It's true, but he only married one of them.I like both Romanas equally.So did Tom Baker...
...and a decade after after their divorce, she married a very different doctor...
Dr. Richard Dawkins.
(Yes, THAT Richard Dawkins!)
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Do we have ALL of the audio tracks? I know there are many, although the quality varies on many.
There were two fans in particular that each audio-recorded most of the early broadcasts, and a couple other fans that each had a few episodes here and there; though they weren't coordinating in any way, at least one of them managed to record every episode that was later wiped. One of the guys, Graham Strong, actually had such a good setup that his recordings of some existing episodes ended up being better than the surviving copies in the BBC archives!
They did do animated episodes for some of the Doctor Who episodes that have come out on DVD--the Invasion for example (which is phenomenal). But they said it was very expensive so were uncertain at the time whether they'd do it very often.
The Reign of Terror also got the same treatment (just released in the US yesterday!).
BBC Worldwide says that if The Reign of Terror sells well enough, they will complete the other stories that have only 1 or 2 missing episodes:
The Crusade (William Hartnell historical)
The Tenth Planet (William Hartnell's last episode, debut of the Cybermen)
The Underwater Menace (Patrick Troughton)
The Moonbase (Patrick Troughton)
The Ice Warriors* (Patrick Troughton)
So if you want to see any of these animated, please buy The Reign of Terror! The US version of the DVD can be had online for under $20.
*The Ice Warriors DVD is already scheduled for 26 August (UK)/September 10 (US), but they haven't said what they're planning for the missing episodes.
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Do we have ALL of the audio tracks? I know there are many, although the quality varies on many.There were two fans in particular that each audio-recorded most of the early broadcasts, and a couple other fans that each had a few episodes here and there; though they weren't coordinating in any way, at least one of them managed to record every episode that was later wiped. One of the guys, Graham Strong, actually had such a good setup that his recordings of some existing episodes ended up being better than the surviving copies in the BBC archives!
They did do animated episodes for some of the Doctor Who episodes that have come out on DVD--the Invasion for example (which is phenomenal). But they said it was very expensive so were uncertain at the time whether they'd do it very often.The Reign of Terror also got the same treatment (just released in the US yesterday!).
BBC Worldwide says that if The Reign of Terror sells well enough, they will complete the other stories that have only 1 or 2 missing episodes:
The Crusade (William Hartnell historical)
The Tenth Planet (William Hartnell's last episode, debut of the Cybermen)
The Underwater Menace (Patrick Troughton)
The Moonbase (Patrick Troughton)
The Ice Warriors* (Patrick Troughton)So if you want to see any of these animated, please buy The Reign of Terror! The US version of the DVD can be had online for under $20.
*The Ice Warriors DVD is already scheduled for 26 August (UK)/September 10 (US), but they haven't said what they're planning for the missing episodes.
I think I should like to see the entire series redone with new Doctors. Maybe end in some depraved episode where the Doctor steals the earth using the TARDIS. Keeps it all in a very large room.