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Just a random FYI on Kobold Quarterly: Yes, most of the content is Pathfinder compatible, but no, not everything is Open Game Content. Within each issue, usually near the front, there is a box explaining what parts of the issue are open and what parts are not. Originally I tried to go through each issue and pluck out the OGC portions but eventually it just became more of a pain than it was worth so I stopped using anything from Kobold Quarterly. That says nothing about the quality of the content, merely that I decided it was too much work when there were other products that were 100% OGC and easier to use.
So yeah, sorry, just wanted to make sure that was cleared up.
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It always irked me that Kobold Quarterly had a number of Pathfinder/3.5 articles - and a number of Pathfinder articles on their website - that were declared to be closed content. Why not make them Open Game Content?
I meant to write them a stern letter about that, but never got around to it.
I'm with you. I've had that same conversation with them to no avail unfortunately.
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My suggestions would be the White Necromancer from Open Design/Kobold Quarterly 19, a LN and CG Paladin, the Wolf Shifter from Wayfinder 5, the Guttermage from Urban Adventures: The Great City Player's Guide (0one Games), and a racial archetype for gnome barbarians (Rawr).
+@ ShadowcatX: Both the Death Mage and White Nechromancer are eligible as they are under Open Design...
Open Game Content: Open Game Content: The “White Necromancer” class, the tables and core class elements of “Bottled Hubris” and the items in the “Shackles of Lau Kiritsu” section, and the “Archetype of Death” archetype class mechanics are all Open Content. All other material is Product Identity. No other portion of this work may be reproduced in any form without permission."
... but I'd like to avoid thematic redundance if possible. I'll wait for the Expanded White Necromancer rules. ;) If Rite happens to publish a new base class soon, it shall receive love too.
I just happen to already have a variant handy for players who want paladins of any alignments (CG paladin of Cayden or Desna ? NE paladin of Zon-Kuthon or Asmodeus ? N paladin of Gozreh ? you name it !), begging to be refined and rewritten. I'm adding the Wolf Shifter to the list, and I'd like to see the Guttermage itself beforehand...
I'll avoid racial and psionic archetypes - racial options would tighten too much the audience, and while Dreamscarred Press support would be awesome, I sadly am not knowledgeable enough about psionics to provide good original content.
Right now we potentially have Dreadfox Games, Open Game Kobold Press, Wayfinder, 0one Games, Paizo and Super Genius Games as covered PFRPG publishers, to which I may add Louis Porter Jr. Design's through the upcoming Fleshwraith alternate class. Keep the suggestions coming !
It got mentioned in a few threads in discussion of Antipaladins in Way of the Wicked, so I admit I'm going off second-hand info, and there could be a miscommunication or misunderstanding easily along the way somewhere.
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An excellent idea!!! Although, you might want to wait until Kobold Press releases the Expanded White Necromancer in a month or so :)
My suggestions would be the White Necromancer from Open Design/Kobold Quarterly 19
*scratches chin* Oh really? Do tell. :D
As for the Lord of Darkness, Way of the Wicked is specifically a non-chaotic campaign where the players MUST be Lawful or Neutral. The Anti-paladin was CE so Gary made one that would better conform to the campaign. Anyone who's playing it, or running it (such as myself), were made aware of this in Book 1 during character creation. As such, it was not spelled out specifically what alignments it could be because everyone who's playing already knew.
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@Maxximilius -- Regarding more suggestions for archetypes:
1) Have you ever seen Equilibrium with Christian Bale? The main characters were called Clerics, and they used guns. They were very Lawful.
2) I'd also like to see a variant on the ranger, make him arcane, and give him a few abilities that mimicked the Arcane Archer, or even surpassed after 20 levels. Secular Games made one years ago for 3.5 and developed alternate variant PrCs as well (Divine Archer, Arcane Crossbowman, Blizzard Archer, Psychic Archer, etc). I'd love to see those brought to Pathfinder.
3) Some archetypes of Adamant Entertainment's Tome of Secrets base classes (Knight, Spellblade, Warlock, etc).
4) Genius Guide to the Hellion would be another one. Maybe it's celestial.
5) Bounty Hunters. I'd like to see a ranger, or paladin, or even inquisitor that has a Bounty Hunter archetype. There's an actual class you could always take too, but it's always nice to have more options.
6) Anti-mages. Specifically, rangers and rogues. Necromancers of the Northwest did one for the Inquisitor, and Rite Publishing did one for the Fighter and the Monk. But, the ranger would make the most amount of sense to be one. Rogues would be a close second. You can't tell me no one's ever tried to assassinate a wizard. Granted, a non-antimage would fail horrendously. The guilds surely know this and should be making amendments.
7) Anti-paladin and Paladins with orisions. 4Winds made a variant for rangers that allowed them to use 0-level spells, and a few different companies have made 0 level anti-paladin and paladin spells, but no variant on the class itself for them to use them. That's a rotten shame. We need that.
8) I can't tell you how many people with the Blackguard was available again, even as a base class. Whether it's a fighter variant, or an anti-paladin variant. Heck, use the knight from Tome of Secrets or the anti-paladin from 4Winds.
9) A non-good bard that can do negative energy and his music is so painful to listen to, it actually does ability damage and eventually levels while he plays.
I don't think the death knight has made it into d20PFSRD but it's completely open, just like 99% of the stuff we've released so far.
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I do miss the uttercold necromancer of 3.5 though. . .(hint. . . hint. . .)
Also, I'm not a fan of you doing archetypes for the paizo classes, I mean seriously, they get enough love as is. This is about the less supported classes. But that's my 2 cents, and if you do the paizo classes it certainly won't stop me from buying it.
Ah, indeed, I misread the first time. :) I'd have to see beforehand, since as Mr. Savage said it hasn't made it to d20pfsrd.com yet.
The undead commander IS a good concept...I feel Paizo deserves an option since they were once a 3PP and today keep the OGL tradition, but I can only agree that Paizo already receives a lot of love. I'm keeping the paladin option on the bottom of the list - people interested by the alignment-free paladin just have to search "Divine Champion" on my profile for a link to the current version, it's there for free.
@Maxximilius -- Regarding more suggestions for archetypes:
1) Yep, I know this movie and enjoyed it enough to write this. ;) Enjoy, it's free !
2) If writting for the Elven Archer, a 20-level, full BAB arcane archer was my first design idea.3) I've got really bad experience with this book, so sadly they are not to be expected.
4) I'm already keeping the Hellion and Shadow Assassin handy if there is space left in the final list. If you awesome guys at SGG have a preference for one of your classes... ;)
5/6/7/8) I feel like you may already play a bounty hunter without class options to be honest. The base class itself is pretty badass at its job. The Witch Hunter with appropriate traits and feats seem perfect for this. If it's a pure 3PP book, I'll avoid paizo base classes. Check this link for the divine champion, though it doesn't have orisons (you may replace the daily domain powers with orisons in the morning). Maybe in homebrew someday !
9) I'm stealing this idea for this bard option I've yet to find time to write. :)
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3) I've got really bad experience with this book, so sadly they are not to be expected.
5/6/7/8) I feel like you may already play a bounty hunter without class options to be honest. The base class itself is pretty badass at its job. The Witch Hunter with appropriate traits and feats seem perfect for this. If it's a pure 3PP book, I'll avoid paizo base classes. Check this link for the divine champion, though it doesn't have orisons (you may replace the...
1) Thanks for the links. Downloaded.
2) Their version looked like this.
3) That's unfortunate because I use that book religiously. I enjoy the Warlock and the Spellblade, and I always have my players take occupations and drawbacks from here.
5/6/7/8) If not a core class, another anti-mage of some kind would suffice. Maybe it could be one for the Shadow Assassin for SGG?
I'll have to remember to keep this checked for if they want to do orisons. I guess a feat could always work too.
9) Buddy of mine always wanted to play this kind of bard. He'd also pay a reasonable price to any mercane that'd get him an electric lute. Apparently, WotC did one in a Dragon Magazine, calling it the Harbinger, but almost no one I know has heard of such an alternate take. So I don't know if that means no one liked it or if it just wasn't good enough to actually remember, or something else. Last year, Spes Magna did a bard archetype that basically mimicked a necromancer where you'd get the undead to dance. The bard's name was Thriller.
I still say that bringing back the Blackguard would be cool.
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Legendary Games is starting to branch out in this direction, though not extensively thus far. We did include the Lord of Darkness antipaladin archetype from Fire Mountain Games (by way of d20pfsrd) in our supplement To Serve a Prince Undying. Hopefully more to come!For anyone wanting to drop an antipaladin baddie in their game, I would gladly like to point out for any unaware that the LOD archetype allows for Antipaladins of all three Evil alignments, not just CE. So if you want your tyrannical LE dictator-general or your NE warlord of battle, the LOD gives you those option in addition to the blasphemous CE base alignment of the antipaladin =)
Yep, that was one of the reasons we referenced it. That Gothic Grimoire was all about lawful evilness really, and while the book itself allowed you to become an LE antipaladin (just the standard version), I though the LoD was too perfect of a connection to include as another option for tyrants, henchmen, and lackeys everywhere! :)
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[threadjack] For those wanting non-LG Paladins HERE are seven - based on the old ADnD-era Dragon Article "A plethora of Paladins" - all Pathfinderised for your enjoyment... And it's all completely free. ;p [/threadjack]
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I have no idea what the OGL state of this book is, but Zombie Sky Press also has the Sacred Necromancer.
-Ben.
If it is pathfinder compatible material, it has to have an open game license in it somewhere.
A nitpick, to be sure, but, is that accurate?
As I understand it, a work is only required to have an OGL in it if it uses Open Game Content, or is releasing that work under the OGL.
It seems that it would be entirely possible (and not very difficult) to produce a work that WAS compatible, but that didn't indicate compatibility or use licensed material.
Obviously, I would ask, "Why bother, what's to gain?" but, like I said - nitpick.
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This is a pretty interesting thread, to be sure. Personally, a lot of designer comments rub me a little defensive, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
For those of you who don't know, I'm the author-component behind Pact Magic Unbound. As a GM, a player, and a designer I love the PSRD.org and I pushed to get our rules on that site.
I had a bunch of ideas for different interactions with 3PP that almost made it into the book; for example, Demos Kalagos almost granted the binder a point pool similar to the one given to the Time Thief by Super Genius Games. Sadly, after debate it didn't seem like a good idea to make that sort of a time in the first product, but its an idea I still want to explore in the future.
In keeping myself on-target, almost all of Pact Magic Unbound is Open Source (another aspect of the book that I had a heavy say in). The only parts that aren't Open Source are the bits of fiction scattered throughout the book; basically anything labelled as a Legend isn't Open Source, which was a pretty fair compromise to make in my opinion.
I still say that bringing back the Blackguard would be cool.
I believe, since Blackguard is available on the 3.5 SRD, that it is covered under the OGL. So if someone wanted to take it, revamp it for Pathfinder, and release it, I believe it would be legal.
I still say that bringing back the Blackguard would be cool.I believe, since Blackguard is available on the 3.5 SRD, that it is covered under the OGL. So if someone wanted to take it, revamp it for Pathfinder, and release it, I believe it would be legal.
I agree that the blackguard has a lot of history behind it, but the question still remains, "Does the blackguard offer anything that the antipaladin can't deliver on?"
I agree that the blackguard has a lot of history behind it, but the question still remains, "Does the blackguard offer anything that the antipaladin can't deliver on?"I still say that bringing back the Blackguard would be cool.I believe, since Blackguard is available on the 3.5 SRD, that it is covered under the OGL. So if someone wanted to take it, revamp it for Pathfinder, and release it, I believe it would be legal.
Other than the lack of alignment restriction beyond simply Evil, it provides a slightly more attractive option for characters who start as another class. I've had a few players lean back to Blackguard rather than multiclass into Antipaladin in my games where both PF and 3.5 stuff is available. Reasons such as availability of spells and preferring the PrC format usually were given.
It's a matter of personal taste in a lot of ways. Same as people who don't like Paladin being a base class and would prefer it be a PrC as well.
I wouldn't expect the BG in a Paizo product, for the very reason of stepping on the AP's toes, but I have no doubt if someone in a 3PP brought it up to PF standard that people would get use out of it.
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Well, I took the initiative in having Caedwyr load up some of Rite Publishing's Kaidan setting of Japanese horror into d20pfsrd.com - including the archetypes, traits, feats, prestige classes of both Way of the Samurai and Way of the Yakuza, plus we're now getting Kaidan's races there with traits, archetypes, feats and racial paragon classes from In the Company of Tengu and In the Company of Henge. The content from In the Company of Kappa is in the queue, but not loaded yet.
As more material is released, we will add more content to d20pfsrd.com
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I agree that the blackguard has a lot of history behind it, but the question still remains, "Does the blackguard offer anything that the antipaladin can't deliver on?"I still say that bringing back the Blackguard would be cool.I believe, since Blackguard is available on the 3.5 SRD, that it is covered under the OGL. So if someone wanted to take it, revamp it for Pathfinder, and release it, I believe it would be legal.Other than the lack of alignment restriction beyond simply Evil, it provides a slightly more attractive option for characters who start as another class. I've had a few players lean back to Blackguard rather than multiclass into Antipaladin in my games where both PF and 3.5 stuff is available. Reasons such as availability of spells and preferring the PrC format usually were given.
It's a matter of personal taste in a lot of ways. Same as people who don't like Paladin being a base class and would prefer it be a PrC as well.
I wouldn't expect the BG in a Paizo product, for the very reason of stepping on the AP's toes, but I have no doubt if someone in a 3PP brought it up to PF standard that people would get use out of it.
Oh I guarantee it.
@Alexander Augunas -- It's mainly the fact it's a PrC. The anti-paladin by itself is specific alignment, and you get slower spells. As well, they're an anti-paladin ninja. They get sneak attack AND smite good, as well as poison use. They also get spells quite quickly as well. And if you're a fallen paladin too, you get even more bonuses based on how many levels you lost. They make for great NPCs elaborate and possibly tragic backstories.
If it is pathfinder compatible material, it has to have an open game license in it somewhere.A nitpick, to be sure, but, is that accurate?
Yes.
Section 15 of the Open Game License in your product must include the following text, in addition to any other text required by the OGL:
To fulfill this section, you MUST have an OGL in your product so an OGL is required.
I feel bad for not getting In the Company of Kappa onto the site, but after a huge amount of updates lasts fall, I burnt out somewhat and have been taking a break. I don't know how John manages to keep on updating the site on a day-to-day basis, and I really respect and admire his work and persistence.Well, I took the initiative in having Caedwyr load up some of Rite Publishing's Kaidan setting of Japanese horror into d20pfsrd.com - including the archetypes, traits, feats, prestige classes of both Way of the Samurai and Way of the Yakuza, plus we're now getting Kaidan's races there with traits, archetypes, feats and racial paragon classes from In the Company of Tengu and In the Company of Henge. The content from In the Company of Kappa is in the queue, but not loaded yet.
As more material is released, we will add more content to d20pfsrd.com
Don't feel bad - I really appreciate the work that you did. It was always at your convenience, and if it's not convenient right now, I totally understand. Thank you for your effort!
If it is pathfinder compatible material, it has to have an open game license in it somewhere.A nitpick, to be sure, but, is that accurate?Yes.
Section 15 of the Open Game License in your product must include the following text, in addition to any other text required by the OGL:To fulfill this section, you MUST have an OGL in your product so an OGL is required.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, it's possible to make a PF-compatible work that uses no open content and does not claim compatibility with PF, so therefore, you're not required to use either the OGL or PCL.
Heck, at the point if it's using no open content, and therefore not bound by the OGL, the prohibition from claiming compatibility (and requiring the PCL to do so) no longer holds, since that's a clause of the OGL.
Witness: the 4E-compatible (and product boldly marked as so) Kalamar book from Kenzer.
Hence, the statement "If it is patfinder compatible material, it has to have an open game license in it somewhere." is not accurate.
I'm a fairly intelligent person, but I still am not sure what you are griping about here. The OP seemed to start out with a typical post-Napster rant on how every IP in the world should be his for the taking, but it slowly dissolved into a demand that every author utilizing the OGL use and adhere to the OGL-crafted work of his peers, whether he knows it exists or not.
My answer to that is NO.
Yes, I would be happy to utilize something I felt was well and truly balanced. But I just don't think every contribution made by every author out there, is. Not to mention the fact that not every author can know all the options that exist, or be able to find them when necessary. I, myself, have reinvented a couple of wheels (and in my opinion, often done a better job than the similar mechanics I eventually found) precisely because at the time I needed something, I searched and searched and could not find it.
I suppose this would be easier if everybody gave very basic, very descriptive names for every mechanic they came up with, but simple brevity prevents this.
Again, show me a mechanic that fits what I want, and is well balanced, and I will happily use it. Don't ever - EVER - think you can stop me from making a mechanic that is better than it.
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I'd have to say I am now completely confused. When OSW gets confused he often resorts to the tried and true "please let's provide an example". All the theoretical possibilities are confoozin. I'm not even sure I'm able to posit an accurate or expositional example - so if someone could present this phantom menace for me - a hypothetical product that either does or doesn't have licences, OGLs, Compatibility Licences etc - and then say what you can/can't do with it this little wolf would be so much happier.
Thanks in advance.
Ultimately, take the easy route:
Don't worry about reinventing the wheel.
Take full advantage of the SRD/PRD.
Make a product that's compatible with Pathfinder.
Release that product under the OGL.
Utilize the PCL and legally mark your OGL product as Pathfinder-compatible, with the handily-identifiable logo on the cover.
And, on a side note, while it's not required, it's always nice to add something new to the wide world of open content. If you create some new rules content, consider clearly identifying that which you have created as open content itself - share and share alike, as they say.
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I asked recently on Facebook what products people wanted us to work on next. The response was the chirping sound of crickets lol
So... if you have specific product requests I recommend posting such on either the Fans of d20pfsrd.com FB group, or the same named Google+ Community. I watch both of those very closely and if someone has a specific request I usually try to jump on it relatively quickly. I just need to know what people want is all.
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Hey! We already talked about putting up the alchemist discoveries from On the Inverse Calculus of Unseen Refraction!
While we're at it, though, why don't we go one better. Since The Way of Ki has been so successful for us, why don't we put up the ki feats from that product and from Meditations of the Imperial Mystics on your site.
Monks and ninjas will have a lot more toys to play with, and if folks are excited and delighted they can check out the other fine details in those products. Delightfully interesting background and history and innovative alternate rules, including for combining ki and magic together, manipulating body and soul, and how to open up the world of ki to EVERY CHARACTER CLASS.
Enjoy!