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How many of you would be interested in putting together teams of 10-15 individuals and engaging in a PVP tournament? They style and location is of course still in the planning stages. I am just gauging community interest at this point. Everyone would of course be welcome to compete regardless of alignment or charter company.It can even be something our crafter focused characters can get involved in, selling things to the combatants. Right now I think we would do it twice a year or maybe quarterly. What do you guys thing, would you be willing to participate?
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Goblin Squad Member
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The UnNamed Company will not only support you in your efforts to put together teams to "test" out the arena (limited combat feedback).
But, more importantly and hopefully, The UnNamed Company would also like to assist in setting up a Roman Coliseum style arena in-game, with all of the gambling structure surrounding it.
This coliseum could be built in a wilderness hex, and open to all to attend or a Chaotic Neutral settlement where most would be able to attend.
Would love to have a free, sinful "city" built where we can exercise all forms of debauchery!
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Goblin Squad Member
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*Raise Hand*
I seriously think that not only should there be the regular PvP, but also the gladiatorial "just for fun, glory, and money" PvP. I'd bet even bounty hunting will get slow sometimes, and nothing is more satisfying than beating someone in organized combat.
Bonus points for various modes.
If there was a way we could bet on combatants, that would be fun.
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Goblin Squad Member
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Some NWN perpetual worlds had that. There was no permanent death or corpse looting, some sort of "magic" prevented you going beyond knocked out.
In formal contests everyone would contribute a substantial "entry fee" which eventually went to the overall winner.
It actually proved very useful in exposing some serious NWN bugs and exploits as you could test things without risking killing the PCs involved.
What would also be particulary cool is the chance to fight tame "monsters", such as a "solo the red dragon and survive the longest" style playoff.
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In it's crudest form, you could simply block off a square or circle and let people fight in it, then have guards defend the body so the loser can get their stuff back.
An actual arena that's buildable in settlements would be pretty cool though, so major cities could have their own tournaments and events.
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Goblin Squad Member
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Glad that there is interest in this. In addition to a hard built arena would you guys enjoy going off into a wilderness hex in a large pre designated area and having 2 teams not only have to fight each other but avoid monsters and things like that?
haha ... hungergames/survivor for PFO ... could be intersting
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I really like this idea. I think the a Colosseum should be in a PC Settlement, and that betting should be incorporated into said build. Also that there should be rewards for the winner put up by the owners of the settlement. Also that the owners of the settlement get a certain percentage of the top of all the betting, this will allow first off that the settlement gets a return on the cost of building said Colosseum, and seconded of to pay for the rewards that will draw in the best players. One of the reasons I think the Colosseum should be in a pc settlement, is simply that i think most of this game should be driven by the community, and that it give the settlements more of a distinction having various important reasons for a pc to travel to them. Other than just purely economical or quest driven reasons.
If the arena, tourney combat idea were to be popular, maybe the Devs would consider adding a huge coliseum located in some central area. Then once or twice per in game year, maybe coinciding with some important holiday in Golarion lore, we could hold a grand tourney where fighters from all over could pit their strength against each other in paired challenges and ending with a grand melee to choose a tourney champion. Perhaps the champion could recieve a title they could wear until the next grand tourney?
The event could also feature a pop up market where vendors from all over bring their wares to sell during the tourney. Food, items, pretty much anything could be bought and sold. It would be a great way to foster trade between settlements and an excellent opportunity for merchants to make connections with other tradesmen as well as making contracts for materials and even finished goods.
It's just a thought, but I figured I would toss it out and see what everyone thinks about it. Obviously security would need to be worked out ahead of time to prevent things from deteriorating into chaos.
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Goblin Squad Member
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What would the devs really have to do if there is a way for players/teams to essentially duel without risk of flagging?
While a stadium might be good for spectator visibility any number of terrain types could allow variations on the theme. For example a race across country to retrieve an item (the Pathfinder Cup trophy?), no holds barred.
I can forsee, however, heavy betting action and alot of money trading hands, so maybe provision should be made in the contract/escrow system for a way for bets to pay off based on the input of the contest judge(s).
What would the devs really have to do if there is a way for players/teams to essentially duel without risk of flagging?
While a stadium might be good for spectator visibility any number of terrain types could allow variations on the theme. For example a race across country to retrieve an item (the Pathfinder Cup trophy?), no holds barred.
I can forsee, however, heavy betting action and alot of money trading hands, so maybe provision should be made in the contract/escrow system for a way for bets to pay off based on the input of the contest judge(s).
I was thinking that the Devs might help by doing two things. First construct a coliseum that has an arena floor and grandstands like the coliseum in Rome, along with an area surrounding it set up for the market, perhaps with stalls for vendors to set up shop. The other thing is a UI for betting on bouts. I'm not sure how it would function honestly, but I'm sure it could be worked out.
I had initially thought that perhaps they (the GMs, or the Devs) might run the event, like any GM event that MMOs have. But maybe it would be better for the players to 'run' the tourney? I guess being as this is just an idea I was kicking around, if people want to try it, we can all iron out the details while laying out the plans?
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Goblin Squad Member
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IIRC GW would like for there to be a Combat Experience as there was an Environment Experience. I think that an initial arena in each non-PvP NPC city would be like bringing that Combat Experience into the game. Practice combat against NPCs would make initial entry into the game easier and more fun.
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Its a pretty simple plan on my end. x amount of teams want to fight, they each pay an amount of gold. winner makes a crap load of money second place gets theirs back. If PCs want to have side bets they can work something out for themselves or trust me to be an honest book keeper of such things. I will prob issue equipment to each team so no one can cry about gear. It would prob take place in some wilderness area not a blood on the sand style coliseum.
It wouldn't be too hard to set up a version of this that was entirely player run, but I think to have the full effect of a Roman style gladiatorial arena, it would be easiest to have dev involvement.
Players could easily designate a place to be used for the games and could create seating from which to watch, preferably very close to a respawn point if we lack the ability to engage in non-deadly combat. It could be fairly free-style, with combatants challenging each other as they see fit, or there could be an announcer that would take names of the combatants and announce each structured fight. People could easily setup shop around the area to sell food, drink, equipment, I'm sure clerics of Kurgess would be nearby offering healing to combatants, etc.
Dev involvement could both simplify things and unlock more options. The pairing of combatants could be much more well-regulated through a function of the building, even matching people more readily by "level," if desired. They could also include as part of the building certain weaponry to be used in the combats that would flag you a thief if you tried to walk off with it. There could be both free sparring and paid matches that reward winners with the entrance fees of the other combatants. The most difficult thing to accomplish without dev involvement would be a system to bet on the matches--something that I think would be just as entertaining as fighting in the matches, myself. This could actually be a good money sink for the game if gold starts to get out of hand.
I guess my point is that while a lot of cool things could become available if the devs jump on board our band wagon, we can still accomplish the basics of an arena with or without them.
It wouldn't be too hard to set up a version of this that was entirely player run, but I think to have the full effect of a Roman style gladiatorial arena, it would be easiest to have dev involvement.
Players could easily designate a place to be used for the games and could create seating from which to watch, preferably very close to a respawn point if we lack the ability to engage in non-deadly combat. It could be fairly free-style, with combatants challenging each other as they see fit, or there could be an announcer that would take names of the combatants and announce each structured fight. People could easily setup shop around the area to sell food, drink, equipment, I'm sure clerics of Kurgess would be nearby offering healing to combatants, etc.
Dev involvement could both simplify things and unlock more options. The pairing of combatants could be much more well-regulated through a function of the building, even matching people more readily by "level," if desired. They could also include as part of the building certain weaponry to be used in the combats that would flag you a thief if you tried to walk off with it. There could be both free sparring and paid matches that reward winners with the entrance fees of the other combatants. The most difficult thing to accomplish without dev involvement would be a system to bet on the matches--something that I think would be just as entertaining as fighting in the matches, myself. This could actually be a good money sink for the game if gold starts to get out of hand.
I guess my point is that while a lot of cool things could become available if the devs jump on board our band wagon, we can still accomplish the basics of an arena with or without them.
I agree. I think it would be fun for everyone and profitable :) we could have teams and 1 on 1 bouts, all sorts of things to make the event interesting. We could do it without GM help, either way I would like to give it a shot to see if we can pull it off. Hopefully we will be able to create flyers announcing the event that we can hang in settlements and on bulletin boards in taverns. That would help spread the word and get combatants for the tourney.
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Goblin Squad Member
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As a different theme on the Roman Coliseum idea is the Knightly tournament. Different settlements at different times if year could hold a tournament of games, each settlement deciding what competitions to hold, and people would travel bringing not only warriors, but gamblers, and merchants, creating a traveling festival atmosphere, rather than having it at one spot.
As a different theme on the Roman Coliseum idea is the Knightly tournament. Different settlements at different times if year could hold a tournament of games, each settlement deciding what competitions to hold, and people would travel bringing not only warriors, but gamblers, and merchants, creating a traveling festival atmosphere, rather than having it at one spot.
This brings up a secondary question: will there be temporary settlements? For any kind of travelling troupe?
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Goblin Squad Member
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As a different theme on the Roman Coliseum idea is the Knightly tournament. Different settlements at different times if year could hold a tournament of games, each settlement deciding what competitions to hold, and people would travel bringing not only warriors, but gamblers, and merchants, creating a traveling festival atmosphere, rather than having it at one spot.
Wasn't there a tourney section in the Unearthed Arcana or one of the other supplements in AD&D 3.x?
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Goblin Squad Member
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As a different theme on the Roman Coliseum idea is the Knightly tournament. Different settlements at different times if year could hold a tournament of games, each settlement deciding what competitions to hold, and people would travel bringing not only warriors, but gamblers, and merchants, creating a traveling festival atmosphere, rather than having it at one spot.This brings up a secondary question: will there be temporary settlements? For any kind of travelling troupe?
That is an excellent idea. They could be some sort of magic trade company and/or entretaining troupe that would suddenly appear in a random hex, sometimes near a player settlement, sometimes in aremote region. Their prodcts could be unique itens that would not be available in normal markets. Gambling and other similar activities could be part of their agenda as well.
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Goblin Squad Member
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I would love to see this. Allow players to bet on the matches. Some people could have their name known far and wide for winning.
As someone else mentioned i would love to see tournies also, jousting, grand melees, archery...etc.
I would hope that perhaps settlements would be able to build these and run them.
I would love to see this. Allow players to bet on the matches. Some people could have their name known far and wide for winning.
As someone else mentioned i would love to see tournies also, jousting, grand melees, archery...etc.
I would hope that perhaps settlements would be able to build these and run them.
Yes, a guildie mentioned this, and someone here mentioned it in a post. Settlements having regional tournaments, maybe participants and crafters could journey to neighboring settlements to compete in their tourneys as well. But eventually a grand tourney could be held. The area Ryan mentioned would be a good spot to hold the grand tourney.;), Have it on some lore related holiday.
I would love to see archery competitions, perhaps thrown weapon bouts as well. Depending on if its possible to set up to where it works correctly.
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I realy dont see the archery or thrown wep competitons as being viable in a vidio game.
Agreed, at least not in an MMORPG. Once enough people max the skill, it just becomes a lottery. If one were to argue in favor of player skill portions... well then aimbots and/or scripts will pretty much take over that one.