Venture-Captain versus Venture-Lieutenant


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What are the differences between a VC and a VL? What responsibilities does a VC have that a VL does not? What benefits does a VC get that a VL doesn't?

I looked through the PFS-RegionalCoordinators.pdf but there is no mention of Venture-Lieutenants anywhere in the document.

Is it all just worked out on a case-by-case basis with the regional VC? Do the benefits described in the PDF apply to VCs and VLs alike, or just to VCs?

Shadow Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant

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The VL responsibilities are determined by their VC. There are no formal requirements, but many use similar requirements to what it takes to be a VC, though make it more local. Instead of requiring to go to GenCon, for instance my VC requires that I go to one of our two big cons here in Michigan and help out with organization as required.

(And of course VL's are better than VC's, since everyone knows the Red Shirts die first.)

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

The VL responsibilities are determined by their VC. There are no formal requirements, but many use similar requirements to what it takes to be a VC, though make it more local. Instead of requiring to go to GenCon, for instance my VC requires that I go to one of our two big cons here in Michigan and help out with organization as required.

(And of course VL's are better than VC's, since everyone knows the Red Shirts die first.)

I guess it's a good thing I only have a VL shirt and no VC shirt. :D

But, yeah, VCs have a pretty formal list of requirements while VLs just do what is needed locally. What they don't tell you ahead of time is that VCs also have to submit to a more thorough regimen of brainwash*bzzzt!*

Huh? What was I saying?


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Aww, I thought we were going to be placing bets :(

Grand Lodge 4/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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Cheapy wrote:
Aww, I thought we were going to be placing bets :(

Me too.....crap.....

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That pretty much it. Though it's important to note that what Eric does as VL might not involve the same responsibilities as what Ásgeir, my VL, has.

What I require from Ásgeir (and I can only comment on Iceland lodge because, as Eric noted, VCs generally set the requirements for their VLs), and the reason I recommended him to Mike as my VL, is that he's a great sounding board for ideas, he's enthusiastic and that he acts as the face of PFS in my absence (which currently is extended).

Meanwhile, I handle all the logistics, I oversee the Iceland lodge website and facebook group, organize and report events, interact with players and FLGS etc. Basically everything and anything that is covered in the PFS-RegionalCoordinators.pdf and what's not covered there but needs addressing.

Also, don't listen to Eric's lies. Everyone knows that VLs don't make a lick of sense most of the time (it's the bug juice that gets to them).

Grand Lodge 4/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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ArchAnjel wrote:

What are the differences between a VC and a VL? What responsibilities does a VC have that a VL does not? What benefits does a VC get that a VL doesn't?

I looked through the PFS-RegionalCoordinators.pdf but there is no mention of Venture-Lieutenants anywhere in the document.

Is it all just worked out on a case-by-case basis with the regional VC? Do the benefits described in the PDF apply to VCs and VLs alike, or just to VCs?

A VC has to endure a three stage application process with me (and maybe a fourth if they have a good local brewery ;-). A VL is selected by a VC to help them grow PFS in their region.

A VC's responsibilities are layed out in the application process. A VL'S are assigned by the VC since they are the VC's right hand man or woman.

In return, a VC receives a copy of every Paizo PDF product, while a VL receives only PFS related PDFs.

A VC is required to attend PaizoCon or Gen Con, unless an emergency comes up. A VL is not required to attend either, though we like them a lot and hope they all show up!

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Mike Lindner wrote:
Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

The VL responsibilities are determined by their VC. There are no formal requirements, but many use similar requirements to what it takes to be a VC, though make it more local. Instead of requiring to go to GenCon, for instance my VC requires that I go to one of our two big cons here in Michigan and help out with organization as required.

(And of course VL's are better than VC's, since everyone knows the Red Shirts die first.)

I guess it's a good thing I only have a VL shirt and no VC shirt. :D

But, yeah, VCs have a pretty formal list of requirements while VLs just do what is needed locally. What they don't tell you ahead of time is that VCs also have to submit to a more thorough regimen of brainwash*bzzzt!*

Huh? What was I saying?

Here Mike, have some bug juice.

Grand Lodge 5/5

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Another good qualification to get you in the door is to be named Mike or Michael. I think we have at least a half dozen or so of them among the VO's.

*

...FIGHT!...

Cheapy wrote:
Aww, I thought we were going to be placing bets :(

Me too, and that was the the first thing to pop into my head. the second was... Red Venture is about to die. :)


Be the change you wish to see in the world.

$10 on TwilightKnight beating Clingenpeel.

Silver Crusade 5/5

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Bob isn't Eric's VC...

I am, and I'll $10k on Eric. hehehe (Just need to take a dive now.)

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In my territory, I usually cook and the VC does laundry. However, we both are bad about doing the dishes.

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 * Venture-Captain, Oklahoma—Oklahoma City

OK, question I'm not 100% on this but here goes. It came up at a game day and the rules are kinda cloudy. Can a Magus cast a spell into his weapon then move a standard move then attack? This seems like to many actions in one round. I realize you can cast and move but then to attack seems odd.

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Guess I am about to find out.

I consider myself a fine chef. Will that work?

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They can because spell combat replaces the "free" melee touch attack on casting a touch spell into a "free" weapon attack this attack can be taken at any time during the turn you have cast the original spell (thus you can cast, move, attack).

Shadow Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant

Daniel Luckett wrote:

Bob isn't Eric's VC...

I am, and I'll $10k on Eric. hehehe (Just need to take a dive now.)

VCL vs VLC :D

Grand Lodge 5/5

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Michael Azzolino wrote:

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

This would definitely make for a great highlight at our next PFS conference. Especially since I am from the area that this would take place in...

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

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Michael Azzolino wrote:

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

If I was your VL, I would pass on that offer. Being in a cage match with Ming the Merciless is a challenge only Flash Gordon can endure. :-)

Grand Lodge 5/5

Michael Brock wrote:


A VC has to endure a three stage application process with me (and maybe a fourth if they have a good local brewery ;-). A VL is selected by a VC to help them grow PFS in their region.

Hrmmmm, I'll have to look into the brewing situation here aside from,ya know, the big Micelob plant, should something ever happen to Paul :).

Grand Lodge 5/5

Seth Gipson wrote:

Another good qualification to get you in the door is to be named Mike or Michael. I think we have at least a half dozen or so of them among the VO's.

We got three in MD/VA alone...

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Michael Azzolino wrote:

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

Mike made it a cage match because he knows I can outrun him. All my combat training consists of: Kick them in the knee, then run like hell.

Damn cage.

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Will Johnson wrote:
Michael Azzolino wrote:

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

Mike made it a cage match because he knows I can outrun him. All my combat training consists of: Kick them in the knee, then run like hell.

Damn cage.

Hey wait a minute! I thought you could cast Black Tentacles!!! There goes my bet.

Scarab Sages

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Michael Azzolino wrote:

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

I'd pay good money to watch that event. Maybe we can get something set up for Kublacon? My money is on Rand... Oh wait, I guess he's not in this fight due to a technicality... :-)

Shadow Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West

Brent Holtsberry wrote:
Michael Azzolino wrote:

I'm pretty sure I can take any of my VL's in a 1 on 1 cage match...

I'll even post odds and cover the spread.

I'd pay good money to watch that event.

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[Paizo Publishing]
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[Campaign Leadership]
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[Venture Lietenants]
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[Event Coordinators]
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Pretty sure this is the organizational chart. ^_^

Grand Lodge 5/5

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It's really not so much a hierarchy. It is more like spheres of responsibility.

Ultimately it is the players who have the power by choosing to play or not.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Will Johnson wrote:


Mike made it a cage match because he knows I can outrun him. All my combat training consists of: Kick them in the knee, then run like hell.

"I think I'm about to have a cardiac arrest."

*keels over*
*crowd goes wild*

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 * Venture-Captain, Oklahoma—Oklahoma City

Hello Esteemed Group,
Where do you find rules for running sanctioned modules, ie time slots exp points for players and GM's? I couldn't find any thread on this topic if any of you can direct me I would be thankful.

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Michael Kirk wrote:

Hello Esteemed Group,

Where do you find rules for running sanctioned modules, ie time slots exp points for players and GM's? I couldn't find any thread on this topic if any of you can direct me I would be thankful.

Rules for running sanctioned modules are in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play... check page 29.

Time = (probably 2 to 3 games @ 4hours)

Exp= 3
PP = 4

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Dang it. I thought this thread would be about cage matches between Venture Captains and Venture Lieutenants. *sad panda*

FWIW, I have Todd Morgan and Kyle Elliot in the final match-up with Kyle Elliot a 3-2 favorite.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

My money is on Kyle.

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