Why not try a book?I do, all the time. Of course, not when I have friends over. Story hour isn't what they visit for.
Wah wah poor baby.
I'm a poor baby because I have my friends over to socialize? You have a strange outlook.
Spoken like a rich man.
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Why not try a book?
-Infinite battery life
-Page always loads
-DRM free
-Never lose data
-Immune to viruses
-Compatible with all hands and eyes
-Drop Resistant
-No Energy consumption required.
You're arguing against someone who doesn't exist. You're getting angry over something that is only occurring in your head.
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I see this is one of those threads where the op comes across as wanting to hear both sides. Those who agree and disagree with the original post of the thread. Instead as usual the op expect a echo chamber and gets angry when I and others dont agree. If your not willing to accept posters disagreeing with your thread topic than I suggest not posting it in the first place.
Dear OP:
No, Tabletop RPGs are not becoming a rich man's hobby.
You're welcome.
Dear OP:
No, Tabletop RPGs are not becoming a rich man's hobby.
You're welcome.
Pretty sure I fall under the poverty line, so I agree.
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Pretty sure I fall under the poverty line, so I agree.Dear OP:
No, Tabletop RPGs are not becoming a rich man's hobby.
You're welcome.
I, speaking as a Pathfinder Superscriber who I assure you is NOT made of money, agree as well...
It's all about where we place our priorities and how much of our income we are able to designate as "disposable"...
I see this is one of those threads where the op comes across as wanting to hear both sides. Those who agree and disagree with the original post of the thread. Instead as usual the op expect a echo chamber and gets angry when I and others dont agree. If your not willing to accept posters disagreeing with your thread topic than I suggest not posting it in the first place.
I suggest you don't post in my thread trying to add fuel to the fire that's been started by the trolls around here.
I see this is one of those threads where the op comes across as wanting to hear both sides. Those who agree and disagree with the original post of the thread. Instead as usual the op expect a echo chamber and gets angry when I and others dont agree. If your not willing to accept posters disagreeing with your thread topic than I suggest not posting it in the first place.I suggest you don't post in my thread trying to add fuel to the fire that's been started by the trolls around here.
You know, if you stepped back and stopped making snide remarks, you might suddenly realize no one is trying to troll you.
OP just wanted to complain, not actually hear "sides". OP's original complaint has been painfully disproven over and over.
It was a complaint thread. That's it.
/endthread
VagrantWhisper: Ahhh Warhammer 5th edition, how I miss thee. I sold my 3000point Empire army for less than half of what I bought it for. But that was over a decade ago. Young and dumb. If I had known that those minis would go through the roof in pricing and that someday, over a decade later I would want to play again. But alas, it is not to be.
Now, Pathfinder...thank you for being relatively inexpensive. :)
- Gauss
P.S. And while Im at it thank Star Fleet Battles for not changing much in over a decade so I can still use all my old stuff. Except few people play it. :D
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You know, if you stepped back and stopped making snide remarks, you might suddenly realize no one is trying to troll you.I see this is one of those threads where the op comes across as wanting to hear both sides. Those who agree and disagree with the original post of the thread. Instead as usual the op expect a echo chamber and gets angry when I and others dont agree. If your not willing to accept posters disagreeing with your thread topic than I suggest not posting it in the first place.I suggest you don't post in my thread trying to add fuel to the fire that's been started by the trolls around here.
Agreed and seconded. As I said if your not willing to listen to a opposing argument then don't post a thread on a discussion forum. Of course I and others are the trolls not the op who is having some sort of public forum meltdown.
OP just wanted to complain, not actually hear "sides". OP's original complaint has been painfully disproven over and over.
It was a complaint thread. That's it.
/endthread
Yeah pretty much. Even if the op does not want to admit it.
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I see this is one of those threads where the op comes across as wanting to hear both sides. Those who agree and disagree with the original post of the thread. Instead as usual the op expect a echo chamber and gets angry when I and others dont agree. If your not willing to accept posters disagreeing with your thread topic than I suggest not posting it in the first place.I suggest you don't post in my thread trying to add fuel to the fire that's been started by the trolls around here.
I've got some bad news. This isn't your thread. You may have started it but this is on a discussion forum and therefore this thread is everyone's thread. It appears that most people are in disagreement with you over the high cost of playing tabletop RPGs compared to the good old days. That's what a discussion is for. To get multiple points of view. If you wanted to simply vent and have it be "your thread" you should have created a blog page without a comment section.
One need not be a rich man to start a flame war. Trolling is all but free. :P
Yer a durty one-percenter!!! YOU GOTTA PAY YER FARE SHARE!!!! derpy derp :D
Seriously though, I remember back in the day you could get a rule book, module, graph paper, set of dice and a whippin for two bits.
But that was back in the day. We used to wear an onion on our belts, which was the fashion at the time...I went next town over, a-courtin, an that is when superman....unintelligible....etc etc
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Some questions (partially to refocus the thread)
How do you guys minimise the impact of the cost the hobby. What are your tips?
What do you see the game table looking like 5 years from now?
I buy all my RPG stuff through paizo and keep to a budget buy purchasing a fixed gift certificate for myself every fortnight. That gives me a running total through the year and means i have to consciously decide to go outside my set limit, means I don't get burned when products get delayed and there's a sudden "catch up month" and so forth.
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How do you guys minimise the impact of the cost the hobby. What are your tips?
I'm something of an 'alpha' gamer, blessed with a career that gives me an idiotic level of disposable income, and a collector/completionist. A trifecta of compulsive capability that companies with lots of product throughput thrive on.
Thus, containing costs and acquisition rate is something I've wrestled with constantly throughout my adult life.In two parts to answering the first question:
Managing acquisitions:
- As much as possible, I try use to the "Cody Jones Theory of Gaming". Essentially, the idea being that a gamer should only have any one type of game; whether that is based on theme, mechanics, or some other attribute, and that a gamer is always culling their collection to get to the cream of their crop. In general the idea is that good games get to the table more often, and that games that basically do the same thing aren't just taking up space. Pathfinder, as an example, is my Fantasy RPG.
- I have a wish/watch list and something has to be on the list before it gets bought (see managing acquistions.) this helps me avoid compulsive buys. It also helps me focus on acquisitions I think I'll actually enjoy or take advantage of.
- I try to avoid being a member of the "Cult of the New". Playing something later doesn't make it less enjoyable.
- I try to focus on properties I enjoy, that offer me opportunities in multiple mediums - for instance I can enjoy Warhammer 40K in a novel, in various board games, as a wargame, as a videogame
Affording said acquisitions:
- Services that offer discounts, like Paizo. I leverage the discount for purchases wherever possible, and the PDFs are a phenomenal advantage.
- ebay and especially NobleKnight for the hard to find.
- I watch for things like free shipping offers, as quite often into Canada shipping can exceed the price of the goods.
What do you see the game table looking like 5 years from now?
I've noticed something interesting in the last couple of years, at least in my personal circle of friends. Everyone seems to be coming back to gaming around a table. The people around me are dropping out of the MMO scene, and leaving their XBox's behind. They're all asking for game nights. They're all jonesing to get back into gaming like the 'old days'. They all want that viceral feeling when you're throwing down dice and moving miniatures, while throwing back a few beers with friends, that the digital era is leaving behind. They want to hear and see their friends and opponents.
They're also mostly parents now, looking to pass on the original feeling to their kids the first time we all experienced our first D&D session, or found out that boardgames weren't just Monopoly and Clue.
So honestly, I think we're going to see a return analog gaming, but with technical advantages. I think we'll see more tablet character sheets, and pdfs for books. I think we'll see more games played with overhead projected maps, or surface level big screens laying on a table top attached to laptops. I think we're going to see virtual table tops integrated into sessions where people can play local or remote.
I think we're entering a Golden Age of gaming where the physical and the virtual will happilly marry and give birth to awesome gaming goodness.
Some questions (partially to refocus the thread)
How do you guys minimise the impact of the cost the hobby. What are your tips?
What do you see the game table looking like 5 years from now?
Some questions (partially to refocus the thread)
How do you guys minimise the impact of the cost the hobby. What are your tips?
What do you see the game table looking like 5 years from now?
I think that one needs to define what it is they really want, and there's a number of factors in play.
A few of them:
If you're operating on a limited budget, can you afford to pay full retail to support an FLGS (if that matters to you) or to buy direct (when accounting for shipping costs)? Do you WANT to do so?
Supporting an FLGS is great, and I think they're important to the hobby, but you need to ask yourself if the benefit of your support outweighs the cost.
I know a lot of people take umbrage when Amazon is suggested, but, the fact of the matter is, Amazon typically provides a pretty significant discount over retail pricing, and allows the gamer-on-the-budget to stretch their dollar quite a bit - so much so that, for the retail price of the CRB and Bestiary, when shopping at Amazon, the gamer-on-the-budget could buy the CRB, Bestiary AND GameMastery Guide with a few bucks to spare.
There's other places to buy stuff besides Amazon. Miniature Market, for example, provides some decent discounts (not at the Amazon level) and seems to stock the new stuff.
Assuming that one plays Pathfinder, do the subscriber benefits matter to you?
This is an easy one - if they don't, why subscribe over buying someplace else?
If you're operating from a limited budget, can you afford to be a completist collector of whatever line or lines you are collecting?
If you can't, then you need to accept that you can't. There's really no way around this one.
Past that, VagrantWhisper makes a good point about "Cult of the New" - do you really need that product TODAY?
Often, products will be discounted/go on sale after a time, or you can pick them up on the secondary market for a "better" price.
Unfortunately, with a tightly-controlled print run as Paizo is wont to do, and with a highly popular project, as Paizo products are, this can bite you, because with increasing frequency, older products become unavailable, and it will be unlikely that they'll see print again, so the secondary market will be the only place to get them (and as we've seen in some cases, incredibly expensive on that secondary market).
In that case, if I were just considering Paizo products, based on past performance, and aiming for completist status, I'd try to tackle the Companions and Campaign Setting line stuff first, then go for the APs, then go after the hardcovers.
As to the final question, I truly hope the game table doesn't change drastically in the next 5 years. I'd love to see some kind of local messaging apps available with freehand sketch capabilities, and cheap 7" or 10" tablets for that, but I still want my print books, and I hope they don't dwindle.
As to the final question, I truly hope the game table doesn't change drastically in the next 5 years. I'd love to see some kind of local messaging apps available with freehand sketch capabilities, and cheap 7" or 10" tablets for that, but I still want my print books, and I hope they don't dwindle.
I hope this is true, but sadly I fear it will change. Admittedly the forums are probably a skewed demographic, nonetheless the number of people I see posting that "PDFs are all anyone uses nowadays" makes me worried that they will come to be seen as the default delivery method, with print options becoming rarer and only available for the most popular titles.
Anecdotal, to be sure, but I am heartened by the retailer reports that I have read, not to mention the fact that Paizo has had to reprint more than a couple of their hardcovers, and some of those more than once.
I do not think that forum reports of PDF use being dominant are indicative of the real marketplace or average game table.
That said, if our joint fear is realized, and the print medium becomes less supported, I would hope that, at the very least, POD becomes an avenue for which we can get our fix.
Anecdotal, to be sure, but I am heartened by the retailer reports that I have read, not to mention the fact that Paizo has had to reprint more than a couple of their hardcovers, and some of those more than once.
I do not think that forum reports of PDF use being dominant are indicative of the real marketplace or average game table.
That said, if our joint fear is realized, and the print medium becomes less supported, I would hope that, at the very least, POD becomes an avenue for which we can get our fix.
The demand for reprints is a good point. Plus the growing quality of POD. Maybe I should be more of an optimist..