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Hama wrote:
If you need extra convincing, why not stop altogether and use your time in a more productive way?

I'm stopping after the next show... I'm dropping cable altogether as the only TV time I can afford is usually spent on targeted programming from Netflix (usually U.K. shows and documentaries... and Californication)

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PDK, you don't need cable to watch Arrow though. You can get a pretty cheap HD Antenna for like $30.

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Got one... won't be useful if I miss the show start though. I have Wireless Connect from my laptop to my Smart TV (INT 14) which will allow me to beam it up there anytime I want (the TV network websites usually keep the show available online for about a week)

Despite that, I might still reach a point, with that show, where I don't even feel like spending the energy to click on the website's link to get it up and running.

When are we getting a Pathfinder show?

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I use my HD antenna with a Tivo/DVR that I own, not rent from cable company. But that does get a bit more expensive then if you don't have one.

Sign me up to watch the Pathfinder show - just hire the team behind Arrow and The Flash and I think it would be good - they've shown they know how to embrace and mine source material.


JoelF847 wrote:
just hire the team behind Arrow and The Flash and I think it would be good - they've shown they know how to embrace and mine source material.

Gah.


Sweet, my "Thea did it" theory wasn't debunked.


Rynjin wrote:
Sweet, my "Thea did it" theory wasn't debunked.

Granted. Not validated, either, of course. It's still a bit of a leap from "daughter receiving dad's approval for her skill at kendo" to "sister drops in from another continent just long enough to murder her brother's ex for no readily apparent reason."


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Shhhhhhhhhhhh.

I wanna see Thea get beat up by Ollie.


Other possibility. Nyssa released Sara. Ras did NOT.


I loved the move Arrow did by snatching Komodo's arrow and firing it back at him.

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I liked the episode. Looking forward to seeing who killed Sara. And I'm, sure it's not Thea.

@Ryunjin. The only way Thea can beat up Ollie is if he lets her.


Yeah, I'm thinking it's not Thea, either.

I do wonder if it's Merlyn, since he was seen walking in at the end. It's possible he just got back from traveling. (Though the "fly halfway around the world just to kill Sara on a random rooftop and then fly home" thing makes it just as unlikely for him.)

If Ra's is responsible, I don't see him doing the deed (and while Nyssa did release Sara, she came back, so I don't see Ra's killing her for that. And if he did want her dead, he could just summon her back to home and kill her there, rather than sending her out on assignment just to kill her. Plus, I think Sara's greeting to the master of the League of Assassins would be a little more formal than "What are you doing here?")


Now that I think about it, the individual in question is probably someone we haven't encountered yet, but will encounter in a flashback centered around Sara. Just a thought.


Ollie told Diggle that the League doesn't target their own. Assuming he's right about that (and why write that line for him otherwise?), that would seem to rule out Merlyn, Nyssa and Ras along with most of the twenty-odd archers in the ARGUS database.

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile Ollie's statement with Al-Owal's attack on Sara. He was ostensibly there to bring her back to Ras, but he wasn't pulling any punches and would have killed Sara if Ollie hadn't been there.

Also, Sara killed Al-Owal in that encounter and may thereby have lost the protection of "the League doesn't target their own." Plus, assuming Nyssa had the authority to release Sara from the League, then Sara was no longer one of the League's "own", making her a legitimate target now.

But I think Fallen_Mage is probably right: someone from Sara's past we haven't met yet. Or maybe something seriously mindwarping has happened to Sin? Sin might be the person least likely to kill Sara, but stranger things have happened.


Hama wrote:
The only way Thea can beat up Ollie is if he lets her.

He would, though. Fighting defensively only goes so far against a skilled attacker; at some point you need to hamper your opponent or all the damage is going to go one way. If she's good enough for Malcolm to approve, Ollie's not going to be able to block every blow indefinitely.

So he'll take several hits and then drop one of the most overused lines in television scripting: "You don't have to do this..."


Hama wrote:

I liked the episode. Looking forward to seeing who killed Sara. And I'm, sure it's not Thea.

@Ryunjin. The only way Thea can beat up Ollie is if he lets her.

It's a good thing I said "beat up by Ollie" not "beat up Ollie" then, eh?

Also I've never understood why it's so hard for people to type 6 letters that are right in front of their face.

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I lost you there. 6 letters?

Sorry. I misread.

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I think the speculation should start by asking, "What was Sara doing in Starling to begin with?" Sara was awfully vague, and her insistence on not telling her father strikes me as more than a little suspicious.


Remember, Sara rejoined the League at the end of last season. It's why she left Starling after the siege. There is no reason for the League to be hunting her.

Merlyn is no longer a member of the League and would have no compunctions about killing Sara if it furthered his interests. (Likewise, if Moira's conversation with Merlyn from season 2 is to be believed, the League would have no compunctions about killing him because Ra's isn't too happy about his shenanigans in season 1.) However, I don't see how killing Sara furthers those interests (Though if he is the killer, I'm sure we'll find out.) and Thea seemed fond of Sara, so killing her wouldn't sit well with his daughter.

And I agree, Sara's vagueness about why she was back in Starling suggests to me she was on assignment. So one wonders who she was sent to kill.


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"Thea seemed fond of Sara" doesn't really prove much, considering Thea's personality seems to change completely every 6 months or so.

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More often. At least she's really cute.


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I normally am not too bothered by "realism" issues, but for some reason it bugged me when St. Croix was able to use both hands to shoot a bow while on a motorcycle.... The throttle is in the handle. The bike would've slowed immediately when he took his hand off of the handlebars.


MeanDM wrote:
I normally am not too bothered by "realism" issues, but for some reason it bugged me when St. Croix was able to use both hands to shoot a bow while on a motorcycle.... The throttle is in the handle. The bike would've slowed immediately when he took his hand off of the handlebars.

Google "motorcycle throttle lock."


Kalshane wrote:

Remember, Sara rejoined the League at the end of last season. It's why she left Starling after the siege. There is no reason for the League to be hunting her....

And I agree, Sara's vagueness about why she was back in Starling suggests to me she was on assignment. So one wonders who she was sent to kill.

Could this be the reason Ra's gets involved with Arrow this season? Does the League's "they don't hunt their own" policy extend to "when one of our own is killed, we want to know why"? (I don't know the League as thoroughly as some of you seem to.)


Felt like last week was a great episode. They're really moving characters along on their arcs much more quickly than I'd anticipated. Loved the introduction of

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Wildcat and potentially the Manhunters. Putting Laurel on her path was great, and I'm excited to see Thea in action. Plus, can't go wrong with more Merlin

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Wildcat?

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The boxer trainer that Laurel visits is named Ted Grant, the name of Wildcat. The bad man was named Mark Shaw, the original Manhunter. Lots of name droppage... And Ray Palmer is the name of the Atom.


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And that's a little confusing to me. Is he a villain or a hero for this season?


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I think Palmer is a non-villainous rival currently. But since in the comics Palmer is the best friend of the hero Ollie hates the most I'm not sure how well they will ever get along in the show


The... I don't even...

The end of this last episode. What the hell?


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Well, it's quite obvious. Roy still has a bit of Mirakru in him. But only his arm. When he goes to sleep it takes him over, kind of like Idle Hands or something. That night he killed Sara because his hand told him to. They're going to have to chop his arm off and that's why he gets a robotic replacement.

Seriously I don't know how you couldn't think of that yourself. Pf.


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I do enjoy this show, but man, do the Laurel scenes really hurt sometimes. I thought the writers handled Laurel the best in the first season, and that Katie Cassidy did a much better job with it that season as well. Some of the plots they have her involved in are just so hamhanded...

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What kind of Assistant District Attorney doesn't know that her boss is out of town and that she's supposed to be in charge? (It would be pretty unbelievable for any next-in-command position to be so completely clueless in just about any position, but a DA in particular seems really crazy). And then I'm supposed to believe that Starling City has some strange charter whereby if the Police Captain is away from his desk for a few minutes the ADA (sorry- acting DA) can exert command? He was only away for like five minutes. It was kind of odd, to say the least.

I could have bought into it a bit if they'd used Incident Command as a rationale, but the City charter thing. Anyway.

The other thing that I find irritating is that all of her dramatic scenes with her dad this season have taken place... in his office. During work. Because that's the best place to confront your parent/friend/loved one/whoever about personal issues. I know there are only limited locations that a crew has to shoot in, but what happened to the set for Laurel's apartment? Did they strike it thinking she'd never need to use it again?

Other than that, this was probably my favorite episode so far this season.


I'm pretty sure that ending wasn't an actual memory.

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Best-guess is his brain trying to process the trauma of his time on Mirakuru and mixing in the trauma of Sara's death.

The one thing that didn't make sense to me about last week's episode (inane super-hacking stuff aside) is why the government would

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respond to the money in the bank's computers being dropped to $0 by sending more physical money. Destroying the computer records doesn't make the actual bills go poof. Also, I don't understand why hacker-boy didn't just transfer said virtual funds to himself, rather than deleting them so the completely illogical physical money transfer could take place.


Oh hush Kalshane we both know it's just a writer trying to pretend he is clever.


@ Kalshane:
Because of what happened at the bank. Panicked people trying to get there money out of the bank, bringing in the physical money would go a long way into quelling such riots and easing peoples minds.

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I'm [redacted] stupid????

WHATH THE HTELL


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Boxing glove arrow FTW!


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Hama wrote:

I'm [redacted] stupid????

WHATH THE HTELL

Hey, you said it, not me. =p

Seriously though what's this about?


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Damon Griffin wrote:
Boxing glove arrow FTW!

That was excellently done. A high point in an otherwise kind of meh episode, though I will say I actually liked Laurel in this. It's amazing how much better she is when she's remotely competent and she's actually justified when she puts Ollie in his place.

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Rynjin wrote:
Hama wrote:

I'm [redacted] stupid????

WHATH THE HTELL

Hey, you said it, not me. =p

Seriously though what's this about?

At the end of the episode.

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I'm cupid, stupid

What the hell...


Hama

Cupid:
Crazy lovestruck fan who believes GA to be her one true love. Stalk and kills a few of his villains and starts trying to learn the bow herself in order to impress him.


I had been expecting Huntress to be the one who killed Sara, the stinger at the end of this episode surprised me. What with Ra's in the picture, the Lazarus Pit, or the Mirukuru, or some other handwavium could have easily explained her return. I'm glad that's not the direction they went though.

Also, as others said, the boxing glove arrow was brilliant and made me bark out a laugh =)


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Anyone else thinking it could be Sin that killed Sarah?
I'm trying to think of unaccounted for possible attackers who we know and who Sarah would know.

Boxing arrow was amazing.


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Anyone else think there's a possibility that Cupid killed Sara? Just going out on limb here. I have ZERO evidence to back it up.

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If she's as crazy as it's said, I don't see why not.


@Fallen_Mage - yeah, I think her appearance means exactly that.


One of her comic Images shows her room. A wall of Ollie pictures (think Mr. Memania from Perfect Blue) and one poster of Black Canary. The eyes are X'd out and 'Die Tramp Die!' has been scrawled across the top.


Fallen_Mage wrote:
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Yeah, I don't think so. Not a chance. Sara's reaction was too weird and familiar for it to be a random stranger, plus there's the bit Felicity mentioned about how the arrows hit her. Finally, I don't think they'd kill off a character as important as Sara with a relatively minor and incompetent villain.

I still think its

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Sin


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Listen I'm pretty sure somebody else would have noticed a whale the size of a city rolling up into Starling.


Sara's killer?

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At first, I was sure it was going to be a Lazarus Pit resurrected Tommy Merlyn somehow; they are certainly dropping enough reminders of him this season- flashback, name drops.

After the revelations in this episode though? I haven't noticed anything saying he's coming back this season, but I think it might be Slade. Felicity seems sure Roy's "thrown arrow" theory fits the crime, and Malcolm Merlyn let it slip that he knows about the prison on Lian Yu.

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