
Vladimir Thomas |
Hi everyone, and first of all, let me introduce myself. I am Vlad, and I have started running (well, to be precise, continuing to run) a PbP campaign here.
I noticed that certain "naughty" words are being bleeped out when I post. I am totally okay with that, but I would like to know if this is offensive to the site's admins or anyone else, and if it is generally allowable to use such words for in-game content. I am not talking about X-rated content or extremely offensive material, just the occasional bad word such as f~%# etc... I tend to use such words every now and then for my game, for realism etc.
So, if this is not allowable, I would happily try to limit such words and, if not possible, I'd be glad to move to another PbP site. Just let me know if this is an issue, I am actually a reasonable person in real life-or so I think, at least.

chavamana |

The bleeped profanities are being censored by the profanity filter.
There is a filter for the entire messageboard and the guys at paizo get grumpy when people try to 'work around' the filter.
I would say, if it appropriate for you pbp use the word. Most of your players will know what you are saying despite the filter. However if you look at the FAQ:
The most important rule: Don't be a jerk. We want our messageboards to be a fun and friendly place.
Users who participate in our message boards agree to not: post any content that infringes and/or violates any patent, trademark, copyright, or other proprietary right of any third party; use profanity or any type of vulgar speech; make any bigoted, hateful or racially offensive statements; defame, abuse, stalk, harass or threaten others; advocate illegal activity or discuss illegal activities with the intent to commit them.
As long as you accept that your profanity will be censored they do not seem to mind letting it fly, but it is against the general rules.

Vladimir Thomas |
Thank you both for your replies. I guess I will keep using the occasional profanity, strictly in-game, as I do not mind the bleeping out. I hope I won't offend anyone; after all, such things are fairly commonplace in everyday life, literature, TV and all kinds of things.
I do see your points, but I do not wish to start an argument about whether such profanities should be better avoided or not. Instead, I would gladly move to another site if the admins interfere in the future.
PS: Sorry for posting this in the wrong forum, and thanks to the person who moved it.

chavamana |

I have used profanities (when appropriate*) in my pbp and I have never had a moderator ask me to use different language. (Yet... and hopefully that doesn't change with this post. :) )
It is a matter of ensuring that you are not offending your players, since they are the ones most likely to report you.
*Like in CoT when the module writer includes a *foul-mouthed* eriynes

Itchy |
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You could use creative language that is not "profanity." Sit down with a Thesaurus and come up with some really fun stuff. This serves a two-fold purpose:
1: Your players get the idea that they ARE being cursed out/at
2: The younger readers on the boards get to go look up new and interesting vulgarities and are thus educated!
If you do a search for "Shakespeare insults" you'll find loads of material. Here's a few to inspire you:
"You mammering milk-livered coxcomb!"
"Run back to your gorbellied canker-blossom, you knotty-pated pignut!"
"She was a vain rump-fed popinjay! We had a whirl and I sent the whey-faced strumpet away!"
"This is a fusty fine predicament you've got me into, you hedge-pig"
"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!"
-Aaron

Itchy |

Wouldn't that go back to the whole "intentional bypass" and such?
Maybe? I'm not sure. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else considers my "insults" to be offensive enough for banning. I'm certainly not trying to intentionally bypass the profanity filter, but rather use language that conveys the meaning (the character is cursing you out or insulting you) without using language that is acutally offensive.
-Aaron

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Intentionally bypassing the censor filter would be using "1337" speak, creative misspellings, or foreign-language versions of swear words, not finding creative swears, such as Shakespearean insult.
Respelling the F word in a way the filter missed is bad, replacing the F word with "Betwist thine anatomy, and make rut with thyself!" would be fine.

Toadkiller Dog |

Intentionally bypassing the censor filter would be using "1337" speak, creative misspellings, or foreign-language versions of swear words
Also, you can switch to the foreign-language keyboard setting and spell out the swear ford in English using foreign letters. It'd look exactly the same and filter wouldn't get it.

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Quote:Intentionally bypassing the censor filter would be using "1337" speak, creative misspellings, or foreign-language versions of swear wordsAlso, you can switch to the foreign-language keyboard setting and spell out the swear ford in English using foreign letters. It'd look exactly the same and filter wouldn't get it.
Bravo, you just found out why there's nothing as "better profanity filter". Just like digital rights management, people will *always* find a way around.

Jessica Price Contributor |
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I tend to try to find a way around when someone is forcing me to the things their way. That's why I'd turn it off (same with DRM). Like children/young people with access to Internet never heard of swear words before.
Indeed, it's not that hard to find a way around most profanity filters.
But when you're posting on someone else's forum, you're in their house, and it's basic courtesy to obey their rules.
Intentionally bypassing filters when the forum owners have specified that they want the language on their forums kept fairly clean is like smoking in the house of someone who's a nonsmoker and has told you that they don't want secondhand smoke in their home, or tramping around the house in shoes when the owners have told you it's a no-shoes house.
I personally feel that it's showing a lot of disrespect for your hosts.

Toadkiller Dog |

But when you're posting on someone else's forum, you're in their house, and it's basic courtesy to obey their rules.
I agree. But I would have obeyed those rules even if you just asked. And I do obey them, that's why I feel it isn't necessary for censors to exist.
There's a difference between obeying the rules and being forced to obey the rules. I feel that latter is rude. I ask people not to smoke in my house, I don't take away their cigarettes.

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Sadly, some people will see the lack of a filter on a web forum as a tacit approval to use the words, and even if they are asked not to, will say things like, "if you really wanted me not to, you would have put in a filter. You're just being a jerk, or you're too lazy to add a filter, or too stupid"
You and I are reasonable people, but not everyone is...

Vladimir Thomas |
Wow, look at all those replies! Thanks boys and girls for your feedback! From what I gather, as long as one does not mind the bleeping out, and as long as profanities are used sparsely, he / she will most likely not get into trouble (although, strictly speaking, this goes against the rules). So I guess my question has been answered :-)
@ Andrea1: No, I had no intention of describing hot sex. Some things are better left to the players' imaginations :-)
@ Liz Courts: Fair enough, I had no intention to do that (despite the tips from Toadkiller :-))
@ Icyshadow: True, but one can only find that many alternatives... Plus I would not like such a high level of political correctness for my campaign.
@ Itchy: Great idea! Problem is, I am not a native speaker. Plus, for some NPCs, this might not be in-character (i.e. this sort of command over language would require intelligence and wittiness). Still, you've given me a great idea for an insult-based bard (to go along with my horrible puns, Andy Zaltsman-inspired bard :-))
@ Toadkiller: Thanks for the tips, but bypassing the filter was not my intention. I actually do not mind bleeping out that much.
@ Black Powder: Thanks! What I said to Itchy holds true for your suggestions as well (imo).
@ Jessica: Agreed.

Iron-Dice |

Some good alternatives I've seen in commercials/media.
You lintlicker!
You son of a motherless goat.
Fargin' iceholes.
Stinkin' bastages.
Dirty corcksucker.(Bonus points for knowing the reference for the last three)
Johnny Dangerously!
I remember laughing my arse off when I first saw that film."My mother slapped me once. Once."

another_mage |
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In general, I don't recommend reading the Eragon series of books.
However, there are a few run-on sentences from Brisingr that might be of interest to the thread.
In a spoiler tag for being "obscenely impressive":

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Ding!
My wife has to act in a play and her character has Tourette's; she's thinking of changing some of her curse ticks into something sillier along those lines. I imagine it'll be quite amusing.
Your wife might find this blog useful: Touretteshero