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So if someone was transgendered, I'd have no problem with them being whatever, but if they try to bullsh*t me, I am going to look into their eyes and ask, "really? Is that so... Jimmy?" Because there is seizing your own identity, and saying you are this, but there is also bullshi**ing other people, and claiming/trying to be what you feel is right for you, but which isn't entirely correct.
So is a 400-pound person who lost 250 pounds after gastroplasty really just a fat person lying to you about their weight? "I'm sorry—you're trying to pass as skinny, but I detect a looseness in your skin that says otherwise, tubby."
Ah but they get to choose. They choose it every day as they try to re-make themselves and approach what seems more natural for them. Moving away from how they were raised, departing from old gender zones for greener pastures is indeed choice and agency. You can try the they are victims argument, and I am partially sympathetic, but that they exist as a group and engage in transformations, long processes of change, learning and operations, more puts them like many other moderns for me. Groping about desperately, to garb ourselves in comforting costumes. In this case, the fixation is on gender, and on righting what is seen as wrong. I'm a he, a man in a woman's body, I'm a she, a woman in a man's body.
The bad news is, we are all confused, angry and make our choices. The good news is we can gain comfort by re-fashioning ourselves. Good on them!
So take the 400-pound person who's trying to get down to 150 by dieting, and is halfway there. You can choose to treat them as the person they want to become, or you can choose to treat them as the person they don't want to be anymore. I think one of those choices makes you a decent person, and the other one makes you a jerk.
A local movie theatre had an event night, and at that night there was a nice transgender handing out lollybags as part of the celebrations.
My ten year old took the bag of lollies, but was obviously picking that there was something amiss about the person that she couldn't quite work out. So she asked me what the deal was.
I explained that the lady was trans, and gave a summary of what it was all about.
"Oh right" replied Miss Ten, who then shrugged her shoulders like it was a non-issue and proceeded to eat the sweets.
I reckon if a child can get it and not think it's any sort of big deal, as adults it should be a no-brainer.
That person undergoing change might well be doing it a bit tough under that metamorphising exterior, and certainly doesn't need other peoples emotional baggage thrown at them.
I reckon if a child can get it and not think it's any sort of big deal, as adults it should be a no-brainer.
The children would have easier time than adults accepting this, because they are not yet conditioned to stick to certain aspects of life that adults take for granted. Listening to children questioning traditions, customs and social expectations should be obligatory for anyone insisting on following traditions and customs. Children comments can sometimes reveal hidden ridiculousness of human behaviors.
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So if someone was transgendered, I'd have no problem with them being whatever, but if they try to bullsh*t me, I am going to look into their eyes and ask, "really? Is that so... Jimmy?" Because there is seizing your own identity, and saying you are this, but there is also bullshi**ing other people, and claiming/trying to be what you feel is right for you, but which isn't entirely correct.So is a 400-pound person who lost 250 pounds after gastroplasty really just a fat person lying to you about their weight? "I'm sorry—you're trying to pass as skinny, but I detect a looseness in your skin that says otherwise, tubby."
So take the 400-pound person who's trying to get down to 150 by dieting, and is halfway there. You can choose to treat them as the person they want to become, or you can choose to treat them as the person they don't want to be anymore. I think one of those choices makes you a decent person, and the other one makes you a jerk.Ah but they get to choose. They choose it every day as they try to re-make themselves and approach what seems more natural for them. Moving away from how they were raised, departing from old gender zones for greener pastures is indeed choice and agency. You can try the they are victims argument, and I am partially sympathetic, but that they exist as a group and engage in transformations, long processes of change, learning and operations, more puts them like many other moderns for me. Groping about desperately, to garb ourselves in comforting costumes. In this case, the fixation is on gender, and on righting what is seen as wrong. I'm a he, a man in a woman's body, I'm a she, a woman in a man's body.
The bad news is, we are all confused, angry and make our choices. The good news is we can gain comfort by re-fashioning ourselves. Good on them!
Vic, you are amazing. Thank you :)
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Listening to children questioning traditions, customs and social expectations should be obligatory for anyone insisting on following traditions and customs. Children comments can sometimes reveal hidden ridiculousness of human behaviors.
Too true.
I always encourage kids to question everything, keep asking dang questions - and if the answer smells like BS, ask again :p
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I support transgendered folks anywhere and everywhere, and that includes in gaming. Online is a great place to be yourself, and I find it odd that people who play orcs or kitsune or the opposite of their gender would question the way someone intrinsically self-identifies. Other peoples' gender, subculture or ethnic identification threatens me not in the slightest.
Listening to children questioning traditions, customs and social expectations should be obligatory for anyone insisting on following traditions and customs. Children comments can sometimes reveal hidden ridiculousness of human behaviors.Too true.
I always encourage kids to question everything, keep asking dang questions - and if the answer smells like BS, ask again :p
Doubt and questioning can be beaten out of us so effectively, then they try to sell critical learning back to you in uni! Ha!
So if someone was transgendered, I'd have no problem with them being whatever, but if they try to bullsh*t me, I am going to look into their eyes and ask, "really? Is that so... Jimmy?" Because there is seizing your own identity, and saying you are this, but there is also bullshi**ing other people, and claiming/trying to be what you feel is right for you, but which isn't entirely correct.So is a 400-pound person who lost 250 pounds after gastroplasty really just a fat person lying to you about their weight? "I'm sorry—you're trying to pass as skinny, but I detect a looseness in your skin that says otherwise, tubby."
So take the 400-pound person who's trying to get down to 150 by dieting, and is halfway there. You can choose to treat them as the person they want to become, or you can choose to treat them as the person they don't want to be anymore. I think one of those choices makes you a decent person, and the other one makes you a jerk.Ah but they get to choose. They choose it every day as they try to re-make themselves and approach what seems more natural for them. Moving away from how they were raised, departing from old gender zones for greener pastures is indeed choice and agency. You can try the they are victims argument, and I am partially sympathetic, but that they exist as a group and engage in transformations, long processes of change, learning and operations, more puts them like many other moderns for me. Groping about desperately, to garb ourselves in comforting costumes. In this case, the fixation is on gender, and on righting what is seen as wrong. I'm a he, a man in a woman's body, I'm a she, a woman in a man's body.
The bad news is, we are all confused, angry and make our choices. The good news is we can gain comfort by re-fashioning ourselves. Good on them!
It is not a weight issue though. To explain how dissimilar they are, eating more junk food won't change your sex. :D
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It is not a weight issue though. To explain how dissimilar they are, eating more junk food won't change your sex. :DSo if someone was transgendered, I'd have no problem with them being whatever, but if they try to bullsh*t me, I am going to look into their eyes and ask, "really? Is that so... Jimmy?" Because there is seizing your own identity, and saying you are this, but there is also bullshi**ing other people, and claiming/trying to be what you feel is right for you, but which isn't entirely correct.So is a 400-pound person who lost 250 pounds after gastroplasty really just a fat person lying to you about their weight? "I'm sorry—you're trying to pass as skinny, but I detect a looseness in your skin that says otherwise, tubby."
So take the 400-pound person who's trying to get down to 150 by dieting, and is halfway there. You can choose to treat them as the person they want to become, or you can choose to treat them as the person they don't want to be anymore. I think one of those choices makes you a decent person, and the other one makes you a jerk.Ah but they get to choose. They choose it every day as they try to re-make themselves and approach what seems more natural for them. Moving away from how they were raised, departing from old gender zones for greener pastures is indeed choice and agency. You can try the they are victims argument, and I am partially sympathetic, but that they exist as a group and engage in transformations, long processes of change, learning and operations, more puts them like many other moderns for me. Groping about desperately, to garb ourselves in comforting costumes. In this case, the fixation is on gender, and on righting what is seen as wrong. I'm a he, a man in a woman's body, I'm a she, a woman in a man's body.
The bad news is, we are all confused, angry and make our choices. The good news is we can gain comfort by re-fashioning ourselves. Good on them!
Okay, don't like the weight analogy? Fine. Someone is born with a cleft lip. If you don't know what that is, google it. They have a surgery to repair the cleft lip, would you go up to them and tell them that "They are still a deformed monstrosity and just lying to everyone by covering it up with surgery"?
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Might be best just to let this one slide now eh guys? Before people get too heated?
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I wouldn't wish to silence you, not one iota; I was suggesting that now a few people have echoed your sentiment perhaps there is time for a pause for thought (now that you have also made your very valid feelings clear).
I'm hoping 3.5 has a bit of room to now consider the positions (and feelings) around the issue, and to take them on board. Of course he may choose not to, but I'd like to give at least the chance for it to happen and maybe some of the heat to dissipate.
Now this is coming from me, so please take it or leave it as you feel, I for one am always up for a bit of controversy and confrontation :)
I don't think you are a liar Cori, I think you are a valid human being who has a right to be you without someone trying to pull that down or spray you with haterade (unless thats your bag, I know a few guys and gals who like that, a story for another time perhaps!)
It is not a weight issue though. To explain how dissimilar they are, eating more junk food won't change your sex. :DSo take the 400-pound person who's trying to get down to 150 by dieting, and is halfway there. You can choose to treat them as the person they want to become, or you can choose to treat them as the person they don't want to be anymore. I think one of those choices makes you a decent person, and the other one makes you a jerk.
It's called an analogy. If you are unfamiliar with the concept I can share some links.
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Might be best just to let this one slide now eh guys? Before people get too heated?I'm sorry, but somebody telling me that I'm trying to bs them about who I am because I don't want to live a personal lie? I'm going to respond to that.
I tried too, believe me. It's hard to stomach that sort of ignorant, asinine, pseudo-intellectual BS. But at this point I'm just tired of beating my head against a wall. Plus, I knew if I kept trying I was going to start saying things that were decidedly unladylike. I'd rather keep a civil tone...hard as that might be to do -_-
Like I said before...it was who I was before that was the lie, plain and simple. If someone doesn't want to accept that, well...they're wrong, and that's their damn problem, not mine.
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For instance, the... person in the vid, their arms looked to me like a man's arms trying to masquerade as a woman's arms. The rest was a somewhat convincing disguise/bluff, but thing stick out (no pun intended) for those that pay attention.
I think she is really cute myself, plus, gamer girl(with glasses!), there is nothing hotter than that. If I met her I’d ask her for her number.
Irontruth, say it ain't so? The problem with argument by analogy is when an analogy doesn't actually fit what is being discussed--it is a false analogy. It can be done for simplification, to save time, for emotional leverage or just to try and win a discussion via directing the flow of an argument. Allow me to discuss my analogy of weight being like the complex issue of sex and gender, lets keep away from discussing those, what do you have against fat people loyalist!?!
Now parrying with the other hand, Pitchford, you do realise that pseudo-intellectual has been an over-used ad hominem for decades? It is often used to discourage debate and discredit a side. You've got to be careful throwing that round as well, because I am an actual intellectual. Uni grad, honours, working on my PhD at the moment, someone who tries to understand society and discuss intellectual matters, culture, sub-culture and identity is like a drug to discuss. This isn't my specialty though, this is just an interest, but it is lazy to go the you are just speaking "pseudo-intellectual bs" route. To ask questions is at the heart of inquiry, and we can just accept what people say and alter our language to suit what they want, but that isn't thinking, that is respecting. I'm interested in more than that. What is behind the pushing back against the natural as unnatural?
On who you were before, it was not the lie. It was the biological truth. The biological truth is not our constructed socialisations of gender. Now this gets a lot more interesting if we consider and ask why you did not find your biology to be truth, and what influenced your wish to change? We can change attitudes daily, why was it so important to change the sides society has placed you on? Have you physically got yourself altered by operations, to what extent? Is this about mastery? Is this about finding the self? That is enough questions to get us started for sure.
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A more apt analogy may be say, a non-white person bleaching their skin and changing their hair texture/color to become white. I think most would agree that is a more fundamental change to someone's personal identification than weight would be and thus closer to a change in gender.
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3.5 Loyalist:
Your main mistake, IMHO, is that you think of transgenderism (OK, I don't really know if that is a word, but English isn't my native tongue and I think you know what I mean) as an attitude at odds with what you think of as the real, aka biological gender.
Quite a few studies show evidence, that transgendered people are suffering from a birth defect, just as well a cleft lip, a hydrocephalus, etc (not suffering in the same way, but a birth defect in the same way, just to be sure)
An operation and a hormone therapy would be correction of this birth defect, not a defiance of a natural state (just as the treatment of a gene defect wouldn't be the defiance of a natural state).
If you coulkd at least accept the possibiliy that these studies are in fact true, you might glimpse at a different perspective.
Oh, and academic =/= intellectual. While I would not say you are not intellectual (I don't really know you that well, nor could I be sure if I could know intellectual from 'pseudo intellectual' for sure), but the fact that you attend a university and aspire an academic grade does in no way prove that you are an intellectual.
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A more apt analogy may be say, a non-white person bleaching their skin and changing their hair texture/color to become white. I think most would agree that is a more fundamental change to someone's personal identification than weight would be and thus closer to a change in gender.
Sadly this would be the opposite of an apt analogy, if modern studies of transgenderism have any truth to them. Better would be a black person suffering from vitiligo using medical treatments to regain his natural skin color.
A more apt analogy may be say, a non-white person bleaching their skin and changing their hair texture/color to become white. I think most would agree that is a more fundamental change to someone's personal identification than weight would be and thus closer to a change in gender.Sadly this would be the opposite of an apt analogy, if modern studies of transgenderism have any truth to them. Better would be a black person suffering from vitiligo using medical treatments to regain his natural skin color.
I said it was more apt than the weight analogy, that doesn't mean it was the best analogy or that there weren't more apt analogies possible. ;D
What is behind the pushing back against the natural as unnatural?
Interesting that you see the fundamental disagreement of many people with your position in those terms. Why is it that your idea of the bounds of what is "natural" are correct? You see it as a push-back against what is natural, I see it as an expansion of the bounds of understanding. This gender essentialist paradigm that you are so attached to is demonstrably deficient, as illustrated by the subset of people who cannot be crammed into its little categorical boxes.
On who you were before, it was not the lie. It was the biological truth. The biological truth is not our constructed socialisations of gender. Now this gets a lot more interesting if we consider and ask why you did not find your biology to be truth, and what influenced your wish to change?
Why does someone need to justify their self-identification, when it is at odds with their genetics? They can, if they wish, engage in some introspection along these lines but in no way should they have to justify themselves to you if they don't want.
We can change attitudes daily, why was it so important to change the sides society has placed you on? Have you physically got yourself altered by operations, to what extent? Is this about mastery? Is this about finding the self? That is enough questions to get us started for sure.
Again, why can you not just accept someone's self-identification as a premise and move on from there?
As an addendum, I have no idea how you are seeing "men's arms in disguise" in the video. I can only assume that knowing that the woman in question is transgender, you have subconsciously looking for any minute clue that you can find that she was physically male once.
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This entire argument only applies if people treat males and females at all differently. Outside of a preference for sleeping with one particular gender or another, what is the benefit of doing this? Bottom line, if you make an honest effort to treat all people as people, regardless of their dress or genitalia, you really cannot go wrong.
Irontruth, say it ain't so? The problem with argument by analogy is when an analogy doesn't actually fit what is being discussed--it is a false analogy. It can be done for simplification, to save time, for emotional leverage or just to try and win a discussion via directing the flow of an argument. Allow me to discuss my analogy of weight being like the complex issue of sex and gender, lets keep away from discussing those, what do you have against fat people loyalist!?!
Now parrying with the other hand, Pitchford, you do realise that pseudo-intellectual has been an over-used ad hominem for decades? It is often used to discourage debate and discredit a side. You've got to be careful throwing that round as well, because I am an actual intellectual. Uni grad, honours, working on my PhD at the moment, someone who tries to understand society and discuss intellectual matters, culture, sub-culture and identity is like a drug to discuss. This isn't my specialty though, this is just an interest, but it is lazy to go the you are just speaking "pseudo-intellectual bs" route. To ask questions is at the heart of inquiry, and we can just accept what people say and alter our language to suit what they want, but that isn't thinking, that is respecting. I'm interested in more than that. What is behind the pushing back against the natural as unnatural?
On who you were before, it was not the lie. It was the biological truth. The biological truth is not our constructed socialisations of gender. Now this gets a lot more interesting if we consider and ask why you did not find your biology to be truth, and what influenced your wish to change? We can change attitudes daily, why was it so important to change the sides society has placed you on? Have you physically got yourself altered by operations, to what extent? Is this about mastery? Is this about finding the self? That is enough questions to get us started for sure.
You are thinking about this like a scientist, doctor, psychologist or etc. If an interaction is in that context and the transgendered person you are talking to is aware of that context, all these questions are fine.
If you are speaking to someone at a dinner party, grocery lane, gaming convention... these questions may be inappropriate. You could ask the person if they want to talk about their past with you, but if they say no, you should be respectful and accept the gender pronoun that they prefer to use.
Your questions are valid, in the context of scientific understanding. I agree.
But in a social context, a transgendered person is not trying to defraud you of something, so there is no truth to discover, unless they want to share it.
And Vic's analogy is still relevant. You can be asinine if you like and not get the point. But it is still relevant, as it's using the social context, not a scientific one.
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So if someone was transgendered, I'd have no problem with them being whatever, but if they try to bullsh*t me, I am going to look into their eyes and ask, "really? Is that so... Jimmy?" Because there is seizing your own identity, and saying you are this, but there is also bullshi**ing other people, and claiming/trying to be what you feel is right for you, but which isn't entirely correct.So is a 400-pound person who lost 250 pounds after gastroplasty really just a fat person lying to you about their weight? "I'm sorry—you're trying to pass as skinny, but I detect a looseness in your skin that says otherwise, tubby."
So take the 400-pound person who's trying to get down to 150 by dieting, and is halfway there. You can choose to treat them as the person they want to become, or you can choose to treat them as the person they don't want to be anymore. I think one of those choices makes you a decent person, and the other one makes you a jerk.Ah but they get to choose. They choose it every day as they try to re-make themselves and approach what seems more natural for them. Moving away from how they were raised, departing from old gender zones for greener pastures is indeed choice and agency. You can try the they are victims argument, and I am partially sympathetic, but that they exist as a group and engage in transformations, long processes of change, learning and operations, more puts them like many other moderns for me. Groping about desperately, to garb ourselves in comforting costumes. In this case, the fixation is on gender, and on righting what is seen as wrong. I'm a he, a man in a woman's body, I'm a she, a woman in a man's body.
The bad news is, we are all confused, angry and make our choices. The good news is we can gain comfort by re-fashioning ourselves. Good on them!
Excellent point, Vic. I say that in all sympathy because I am individual #1 (surgery) in this example after struggling time and time again being individual #2 (dieting). In light of the first method, I've no longer have to deal with weight yo-yo'ing and managed to knock out a number of other health problems that have not reoccurred.
3.5 Loyalist: You are right. You most certainly are an intellectual by your description. You just aren't tolerant, and most pseudointellectual b!%*+*#~ comes from intellectuals.
I also see nothing backing up your view that being dissatisfied with your sex is due to social conditioning. I call BS. Considering how large a portion of the population are extremely firm in their gender, I most certainly think it's genetic. What you end up with is one biological "truth" that doesn't fit another biological "truth".
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Now parrying with the other hand, Pitchford, you do realise that pseudo-intellectual has been an over-used ad hominem for decades? It is often used to discourage debate and discredit a side. You've got to be careful throwing that round as well, because I am an actual intellectual. Uni grad, honours, working on my PhD at the moment, someone who tries to understand society and discuss intellectual matters, culture, sub-culture and identity is like a drug to discuss. This isn't my specialty though, this is just an interest, but it is lazy to go the you are just speaking "pseudo-intellectual bs" route. To ask questions is at the heart of inquiry, and we can just accept what people say and alter our language to suit what they want, but that isn't thinking, that is respecting. I'm interested in more than that. What is behind the pushing back against the natural as unnatural?
On who you were before, it was not the lie. It was the biological truth. The biological truth is not our constructed socialisations of gender. Now this gets a lot more interesting if we consider and ask why you did not find your biology to be truth, and what influenced your wish to change? We can change attitudes daily, why was it so important to change the sides society has placed you on? Have you physically got yourself altered by operations, to what extent? Is this about mastery? Is this about finding the self? That is enough questions to get us started for sure.
You know, I'm kinda getting tired of you just using my surname. At the very least, I find it disrespectful. Alex, Alexandra, Allie, Lex, Ms. Pitchford, whatever. But just calling me 'Pitchford' makes it seem like you're trying to jab at me. But, that's hardly the point here.
The point is, we've pointed out how wrong-headed and offensive what you've said is. We've tried to explain, rationally, why you're mistaken in your view of what transpeople are. It's not something so simple that it can be boiled down and shoved into the boxes you seem to want to put it in. And you don't get it, fine.
Believe me, I've been very open about my experiences so far, both online and in real life. If you'd just asked those sorts of questions right off the bat? Maybe I would have answered them. But when it's included among some of what you keep saying...that I, and people like me, are somehow deceiving you, defrauding you, or trying to "sell you something" by just trying to be who we know we are inside. Well, that's what gets me. That's what pisses me off.
You want discourse? Try not being a jackass, and then we'll talk.
And you know what? No, you don't get to call me Allie. Only my girlfriend gets to call me that.
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Likewise, I am open and honest in both real life and the internet. Do I prefer to not talk about what I consider a biological mistake? Yes. Do I disclose anything about it if asked? Yes. Because that is how I educate people to what transgender is. Do I disclose it to ANYBODY I would potentially date, UP FRONT before ANYTHING starts? Yes. Because it is not my intention to hurt anyone, to deceive anyone, to do anything but lie to them, because that's how people like me get murdered.
Now parrying with the other hand, Pitchford, you do realise that pseudo-intellectual has been an over-used ad hominem for decades? It is often used to discourage debate and discredit a side. You've got to be careful throwing that round as well, because I am an actual intellectual. Uni grad, honours, working on my PhD at the moment, someone who tries to understand society and discuss intellectual matters, culture, sub-culture and identity is like a drug to discuss. This isn't my specialty though, this is just an interest, but it is lazy to go the you are just speaking "pseudo-intellectual bs" route. To ask questions is at the heart of inquiry, and we can just accept what people say and alter our language to suit what they want, but that isn't thinking, that is respecting. I'm interested in more than that. What is behind the pushing back against the natural as unnatural?
On who you were before, it was not the lie. It was the biological truth. The biological truth is not our constructed socialisations of gender. Now this gets a lot more interesting if we consider and ask why you did not find your biology to be truth, and what influenced your wish to change? We can change attitudes daily, why was it so important to change the sides society has placed you on? Have you physically got yourself altered by operations, to what extent? Is this about mastery? Is this about finding the self? That is enough questions to get us started for sure.
You know, I'm kinda getting tired of you just using my surname. At the very least, I find it disrespectful. Alex, Alexandra, Allie, Lex, Ms. Pitchford, whatever. But just calling me 'Pitchford' makes it seem like you're trying to jab at me. But, that's hardly the point here.
The point is, we've pointed out how wrong-headed and offensive what you've said is. We've tried to explain, rationally, why you're mistaken in your view of what transpeople are. It's not something so simple that it can be boiled down and shoved into the boxes you seem to...
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There is something I want to bring back up. So trans identity can't be boiled down and shoved into boxes? Please go on.If men are wanting to become women, or vice versa, how are they escaping gendered notions? Seems to be an alternate identification to the hegemonic standard for their original sex, but these boxes that sit outside of us and shape our views of how we see our gender, seem very relevant and still significant. Putting it another way, if a man says they are a woman, and see themselves as women are seen in the society, the boxes are moving but the game still goes on, the pieces or boxes are still there only re-arranged.
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I am certainly all for tolerance, I am not a hyper-masculinist (or some cartoonish villain). Threads like this can be a great place for discussion, as long as we don't get too emotional and angry.
To Gorgas, self identity and placement in sports is certainly something to consider. Don't think it will be a problem in the foreseeable future though, since masculinity is paired strongly to sports.
Keep on posting people, there is so much to discuss here.
:)There is something I want to bring back up. So trans identity can't be boiled down and shoved into boxes? Please go on.
If men are wanting to become women, or vice versa, how are they escaping gendered notions? Seems to be an alternate identification to the hegemonic standard for their original sex, but these boxes that sit outside of us and shape our views of how we see our gender, seem very relevant and still significant. Putting it another way, if a man says they are a woman, and see themselves as women are seen in the society, the boxes are moving but the game still goes on, the pieces or boxes are still there only re-arranged.
Yes, perhaps some transgender people who identify as something which fits neatly into one of the metaphorical boxes of the gender binary. But it it more complicated than that. According to my understanding, gender winds up being more of a spectrum or more complicated vector space where people can fall anywhere. The problem is that people still want to cling to the simplistic view of gender being binary, which admittedly works relatively well for describing 85% of people, but is ultimately and inadequate way of looking at things.
Most cultures which are not the post-Classical West have a social manifestation of this idea.
A generalisation may be generally true, but it isn't the whole picture!
To ask for some clarification, a transgender person wouldn't be an asexual person with no notions of gender, would they?
Do you mean asexual or androgynous? Because it is a good baseline to be able to not get the two confused.
Asexual AFAIK refers to a sexual orientation, which is not really what we are talking about here.
Androgynous might be what you are actually talking about. I guess someone who was highly androgynous would be transgender, they would be completely outside the gender binary.
Someone who knows more about this should probably step in though, since my ability to talk about this subject without risking putting my foot in my mouth in a big way is pretty limited.
Yeah, to be outside of gender binaries and beyond all ideas of gender, to be, lol, true neutral in this regard without another alignment, wouldn't be a transgender person (that is my question to try and get more info out). We can wait for other responses then, I'll be back tomorrow.