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What in the world were they thinking by making the requirements for this feat character level 10 when the next feat in the tree is character level 11?
Is there some special way to take this feat that I'm just not seeing? I have a PC who wants to take it, but I can't see a feasible way to take the feats at the time they are clearly suggested (10th and 11th respectively). Thoughts?
I FAQ'd it.
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I have a PC who wants to take it, but I can't see a feasible way to take the feats at the time they are clearly suggested (10th and 11th respectively). Thoughts?
Seems like you're the dm, so just houserule the feat and make the requirement Character level 9.
Or if you're a player just ask your dm about it?
You are right Ganymede, nobody can take this feat until level 11. Thus, a level 10 character requirement is really a level 11 character requirement.
- Gauss
One of the talents that a 10th level rogue can take would give him a bonus feat at that level. There may be other ways to do that as well.
David Knott 242: You are correct, should not have said 'nobody'. I should have said, 'almost nobody'.
3.5 Design was chock full of feats that most people could not take at the level the feat was intended for. Pathfinder has seemed to avoid that for the most part. Note: Combat feats are an exception since making them even numbered works fine for fighters.
This feat breaks that intent.
- Gauss
Wizards get a bonus feat at Level 10, so they can get it then too. If you're not a Wizard or Rogue, though, then you're out of luck - RAW-wise, anyhow.
The most likely explanation is that it was made Level 10 because most other ways of getting unlimited flight (Wind Wizard, for example) also become available at Level 10, and they blindly recycled the Level 10 floor here without realizing that it would usually require Level 11. If preserving the Level 10 floor is important (which it might be) but you don't want to wait until Level 11 (which seems to go against the intent), you could house-rule that you can take the feat at Level 9 but it doesn't start doing anything until Level 10 (thematically, the wings need some time to grow or somesuch).
It's like Arcane Blast and Arcane Shield, I don't believe any arcane caster can take these feats directly at their first available level, which is 10. 10 is just the arbitrary "half-way point" where Paizo basically goes "Okay, NOW we can give the players the silly stuff."
It's like Arcane Blast and Arcane Shield, I don't believe any arcane caster can take these feats directly at their first available level, which is 10.
Wizards get a bonus feat at tenth level. Since those are arcane caster feats and Wizards are the iconic arcane caster class, the level ten floor was presumably intended for them.
But nothing about Aasamirs or their wings seems particularly geared toward Wizards (or Rogues, or Loremasters), so that explanation doesn't apply here.
A wizard can only choose a metamagic feat, an item creation feat, or Spell Mastery with his bonus feats.
Amaranthine Witch:
Bonus Feats: At 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th level, a wizard gains a bonus feat. At each such opportunity, he can choose a metamagic feat, an item creation feat, or Spell Mastery. The wizard must still meet all prerequisites for a bonus feat, including caster level minimums. These bonus feats are in addition to the feats that a character of any class gets from advancing levels. The wizard is not limited to the categories of item creation feats, metamagic feats, or Spell Mastery when choosing those feats.
So, nope...a Wizard can use Wizard bonus feats for anything. (It surprised me when this was first pointed out to me.)
- Gauss
Bonus Feats: At 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th level, a wizard gains a bonus feat. At each such opportunity, he can choose a metamagic feat, an item creation feat, or Spell Mastery. The wizard must still meet all prerequisites for a bonus feat, including caster level minimums. These bonus feats are in addition to the feats that a character of any class gets from advancing levels. The wizard is not limited to the categories of item creation feats, metamagic feats, or Spell Mastery when choosing those feats.So, nope...a Wizard can use Wizard bonus feats for anything. (It surprised me when this was first pointed out to me.)
- Gauss
I disagree. As I read it, the first bolded part refers to the bonus feats, limiting the choices. The latter bolded part, IMO, by writing "those feats" refers to the feats gained by advancin levels.
The text is definately confusing, but as I understand it, the latter part is simply to specify that this has no effect on the normal feat you get at lvl 5 and 15. Confusing with good knowledge of the system, but it might be helpful for new players.
HaraldKlak: You have a point. Myself, I would prefer the wizard bonus feats were kept to wizard style feats. Unfortunately, other people have the interpretation that wizard bonus feats are not limited in what you can select. Perhaps this is a question JJ can answer.
- Gauss
HaraldKlak: You have a point. Myself, I would prefer the wizard bonus feats were kept to wizard style feats. Unfortunately, other people have the interpretation that wizard bonus feats are not limited in what you can select. Perhaps this is a question JJ can answer.
- Gauss
Good idea, I've taken it to his thread.
HaraldKlak: I saw JJ's response. Thanks for asking him. (I bug him enough as it is.) Now I have something to tell people that bring this point up to me as well. :D
Note: It was your question, I will let you post the response here for others. Can't deprive you of that fun.
- Gauss