What can Disguise Self do?

[DrkMagusX]

Trying to define what I can do with Disguise Self. If I am a Gnome can I look like another race say a elf or human? Does it allow me to alter one size category small to medium ? I know I wont get the size change bonuses .

[Mergy]

It allows you to have a disguise very quickly (usually making a disguise takes time) and it gives you a +10 bonus on your disguise. The result should be looked at with the Disguise skill.

As a gnome, to look like an adult human would be -2 for a different race, and -10 for a different size category; therefore with disguise self you would be at a net -2 to disguise yourself that way. To be a human child instead, you'd be at +6 (+10 from the spell, -2 for different size, -2 for different age category).

[DrkMagusX]

Using a hat of Disguise which lets me use it at will. So to look like a medium race other than gnome I would be at a -12 unless I use a disguise kit than the spell cancels out the -10 and it goes solely off my disguise skill ?

[DrkMagusX]

If I was making myself taller it assumes I m using stilts or does the spell do it for me just higher DC. Does donning a mundane disguise under it using the kit stack with the plus 10?

[Mergy]

A disguise kit and disguise self certainly stack. One provides a circumstance bonus, while the other provides an untyped bonus. You could indeed think of it as a gnome wearing stilts from his disguise kit to cancel out a bit of the size penalty.

There are a lot of different modifiers with the Disguise skill, and when you account for all of them, having a high rank in it becomes very necessary to achieve a lot of fun things with it.

[DrkMagusX]

Would hate to have to depend on a spell item giving me enlarge just to look medium.

[Sideshow3D]

As per the PRD for the Hat of Disguise:

Pathfinder Reference Document wrote:

This apparently normal hat allows its wearer to alter her appearance as with a disguise self spell.

Hat of Disguise at PRD

So, with this we find that the Hat works as if the "Disguise Self" spell.

As per the PRD for the "Disguise Self" spell:

Pathfinder Reference Document wrote:

You make yourself—including clothing, armor, weapons, and equipment—look different. You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between. You cannot change your creature type (although you can appear as another subtype). Otherwise, the extent of the apparent change is up to you. You could add or obscure a minor feature or look like an entirely different person or gender.

The spell does not provide the abilities or mannerisms of the chosen form, nor does it alter the perceived tactile (touch) or audible (sound) properties of you or your equipment. If you use this spell to create a disguise, you get a +10 bonus on the Disguise check. A creature that interacts with the glamer gets a Will save to recognize it as an illusion.
Disguise Self at PRD

In the spell description it is mentioned that if you use it for a disguise, you get a +10 while using this spell. However, it also mentions that you can change your gender, and it says you can appear taller or shorter (to a small degree). It also says you may appear as a different subtype.

Type must be Humanoid (Cannot change this) These monsters below are examples of being humanoids with other subtypes. (Note, these are not to be confused with Monstrous Humanoids, which is another type.

PRD Monsters by Type wrote:

boggard, bugbear, cloud giant, cyclops, dark creeper, dark stalker, derro, drow, drow noble, duergar, ettin, fire giant, frost giant, gnoll, goblin, hill giant, hobgoblin, kobold, lizardfolk, merfolk, ogre, orc, stone giant, storm giant, svirfneblin, tengu, troglodyte, troll, wererat, werewolf

Monsters by type (Look for "Humanoid")

Hope this information helps.

EDIT: I just noticed this was a necropost, but I'll leave this up in case someone stumbles upon it, just like I did. Thanks.

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