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Hey guys! I was wondering, some illusion spells have intelligible speak. How that works, exactly? You program what it will say before casting, something like, say "hi, im not an illusion!" every time someone talks with it, or you can command what it will say after casting, for example, talking with someone as if you were talking in the place of the illusion, making who fails the save think he's actually talking with the "real yourself"? Sorry if its just my lack of attention, but i didnt noticed it saying how that works anywhere, so i decided to ask here. Depending on the answer, i could imagine a lot of versatile uses for that spells!
I was wondering, some illusion spells have intelligible speak. How that works, exactly?
Which spells are you asking about, specifically?
You program what it will say before casting, something like, say "hi, im not an illusion!" every time someone talks with it, or you can command what it will say after casting, for example, talking with someone as if you were talking in the place of the illusion, making who fails the save think he's actually talking with the "real yourself"?
When casting Programmed Image you would decide what you want it to look like, sound like, smell like, and feel like. If it includes intelligible speech, you would need to decide what you want it to say.
When it's triggered, all that stuff happens.
what happens if it attacks someone?
It might startle the person interacting with it, but mechanically it's useless for attacking directly.
I distinctly remember hearing about an official Paizo module that used illusions to set people on fire or something similar. Though the fire was fake, the victims thought it was real and ultimately passed out from the "pain" it caused.
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On a related topic, the following question arose this weekend:
Can a Paladin smite evil against an illusion of a demon? If not, is that considered interacting with an illusion sufficiently to give the paladin a chance to disbelieve?
What about a mirror image of a spellcaster?
My apologies if this rehashes old issues.
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I distinctly remember hearing about an official Paizo module that used illusions to set people on fire or something similar. Though the fire was fake, the victims thought it was real and ultimately passed out from the "pain" it caused.
Hey, you remember the name of the module? I'm curious about the illusion creating pain now =P
@ Chris: I'm curious about that too, i would be glad if someone could give us an answer about that ^^
I'm afraid not, Kalenz. I only read it in passing second hand. I think it was a low-level stand alone module rather than an adventure path though.
Can a Paladin smite evil against an illusion of a demon?
Seems like a valid target to me.
If not, is that considered interacting with an illusion sufficiently to give the paladin a chance to disbelieve?
It's certainly interacting with it either way. If the spell allows Disbelief, then he should get a save.
What about a mirror image of a spellcaster?
Mirror Image: "Spells and effects that do not require an attack roll affect you normally and do not destroy any of your figments."
Smite Evil doesn't require an attack roll, so it affects the caster normally.
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Grick, that makes sense, but the language of a paladin's smite evil requires a target within sight. Illusions count as valid targets for arrows, but not magic missile spells. Are they valid for supernatural abilities?
Smite evil provides an attack bonus. If the paladin is swinging at a mirror image of a wicked sorcerer, which is not itself evil, does the bonus apply? Or is the paladin always swinging at the evil sorcerer?
Grick, that makes sense, but the language of a paladin's smite evil requires a target within sight. Illusions count as valid targets for arrows, but not magic missile spells. Are they valid for supernatural abilities?
Are you still talking about mirror image? Or normal illusions?
If there's a Major Image of a demon flying around, you can certainly target it with whatever you want. Right?
Smite evil provides an attack bonus. If the paladin is swinging at a mirror image of a wicked sorcerer, which is not itself evil, does the bonus apply? Or is the paladin always swinging at the evil sorcerer?
You can't target individual mirror images. They're all in the same place and moving around. You just try to hit the guy, and sometimes you whang an image instead.
Smite evil provides an attack bonus. If the paladin is swinging at a mirror image of a wicked sorcerer, which is not itself evil, does the bonus apply? Or is the paladin always swinging at the evil sorcerer?
As far as I am concerned, he is. He cannot swing at a mirror image on purpose; his attacks are aimed at the sorcerer. However, what he actually hits would be subject to the usual Mirror Image rules.
Hehehehehe getting the paladin to waste a smite on an illusion, or any one else with limited resources per day, is great.
Hehehehehe getting the paladin to waste a smite on an illusion, or any one else with limited resources per day, is great.
Actually, destroying a Mirror Image will not end the smite. The target (our example sorcerer) is still alive after the figment has collapsed.
Attempting to smite a Major Image, on the other hand... *g*
The specific instance in mind I had was a certain boss in one of the modules using Project Image.
There's two ideas here:
1) An illusion, similar to Silent Image or whatever. Valid target for arrows, spells, and smites.
2) Mirror Image. Not a valid target for anything, as you can't tell the images and the caster apart. You just attack the caster and sometimes hit an image. Smiting the caster has no effect on the images. Destroying some images has no effect on the smite or the caster.