The Warlord sounds like a cavaliar, they get teamwork feats and are commanders of men without needing to be LG. Banner bonuses can be substantial, and like a warlord, are both directed and area.
Oath of Vengeance smite-heavy paladin sounds fine for your Grey Guard.
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Grey Guard PrC is in the Complete Scoundrel book.
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The warlord may try the Shogun archetype with the Samurai class. He may also select Order of the Dragon as his order.
Just change the asian fluff and you're good. It's like the cavalier, except there is no pesky mount, and you have an awesome resistance against ailments and damage.
(Are you coming from Pathfinder-FR or Aidedd ?)
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(Are you coming from Pathfinder-FR or Aidedd ?)
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The french version? No. Im french canadian, but i prefer english site, there is more people. Also, our style of play is more north american than french, if I may said.
Will look at the samurai and dragon order.
This bit interested me... are there european and US/NA styles of playing D&D/PF? I kinda always thought everyone was kinda doing the same thing.
And translated stuff tend to cost a lot more.
And translated stuff tend to cost a lot more.
So true!!! And D&D and video games taught me english!!
I had an easier time learning English than learning French.
I wouldn't require the players to convert to an identical-as-possible PF character. Allowing the players to retain the history and spirit of the character, while allowing for flexibility in the mechanical translation, will allow them the most fun.
This bit interested me... are there european and US/NA styles of playing D&D/PF? I kinda always thought everyone was kinda doing the same thing.
I think they are, in the UK we seem to play a bit differently too. Culture has a big influence on what you expect from a game - just look the films and soaps each nation produces, for example. They aren't the same thing, but it gives you some idea of where each nation seems to focus and I would not be surprised to see the same approach to RPGs.
I would not convert. There are just too many differences. Odds are, most people are never going to be happen with the changes to their characters and if they, the GM won't be.
Instead, start a new campaign with new characters.
I would not convert. There are just too many differences. Odds are, most people are never going to be happen with the changes to their characters and if they, the GM won't be.
Instead, start a new campaign with new characters.
On that note you could have some plane shifting mishap where your group got transplanted to Golarion (Pathfinder world) and have been reduced to 1st level. This would allow them to re-role Pathfinder classes that resemble their 4th ed characters and would allow you to use one of the excellent Pathfinder Modules.
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I'd try to convert if I liked the characters and we had a great campaign going. There have been many people who have successfully converted through the years as the editions evolved. The main thing here is to have fun running the game and playing the game.
The conversion doesn't have to be perfect, just try to get the flavor to coincide with what you and your players are used to.
Having played 4E and running a campaign from 1-30, here are a few of my ideas for a Warlord (who as we know is a tactician), most are cleric archetypes, but then I have oracle and inquisitor on the list as well:
Cleric - Divine Strategist - I think this is probably the closest to warlord.
Cleric - Crusader - Looks interesting and it could be flavored to be a warlord.
Cleric - Inquisitions Archetype perhaps going down the Tactics Inquisition - Going with the inquisition cleric could be very interesting.
Oracle of Battle - Might also work for the Warlord, look at the cool revelations, bonus skills, and bonus spells (buffing allies like a warlord does) that they get! Those scream Warlord to me in flavor.
The Inquisitor - This might also work for the warlord because of the tactical type of stuff that inquisitors get, such as teamwork feast or solo tactics. But I also think it could be a good one to transition over to for your Paladin as you stated the Paladin likes to use intimidation and fear sometimes and at the top of the inquisitor description is this little tidbit: "Grim and determined, the inquisitor roots out enemies of the faith, using trickery and guile when righteousness and purity is not enough." Inquisitors are really good at intimidation by the way.
The thing about Pathfinder is that there are so many options and you can flavor your choice(s) very nicely and allow for a pretty smooth conversion.
I would not convert. There are just too many differences. Odds are, most people are never going to be happen with the changes to their characters and if they, the GM won't be.
Instead, start a new campaign with new characters.
I would convert, the whole point of backward compatibility is that you can do this. If the class does not have an equivelant, just update the class - it's what a lot of us did when we started playing Pathfinder a few years back.
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This bit interested me... are there european and US/NA styles of playing D&D/PF? I kinda always thought everyone was kinda doing the same thing.(Are you coming from Pathfinder-FR or Aidedd ?)
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The french version? No. Im french canadian, but i prefer english site, there is more people. Also, our style of play is more north american than french, if I may said.
Will look at the samurai and dragon order.
From what I've seen, read and heard, In France, we tend to like more "realistic", grey settings. We put a good emphasize on drama, moral choices, influence of said choices - basically, being genre savvy is a good way to predict how the plot may turn out, but it is also the best way to be tricked into new plots (and anyway, everyone loves it). We like our games to be more Underdog Gritty Fantasy than Heroic Fantasy, even if the foes are worthy of heroes and several meters tall.
We also like our combats to leave us on your knees, or at the minimum make us fear the possibility of reinforcments coming to finish the job. Easy fights are rare, and usually just a way to slow us, weaken us before the real foe shows up on the following round, or practical jokes allowing us to behold how powerful we became since the beginning of the game. We also seem to be a bit more open to joke characters or roleplay fun as long as the humor comes from their weird concept/behavior/statistics wonderfully played, and not from strange names and metagame-y jokes.From what I've read from US games, you tend to like to be under pressure about combat and have more flashy action while fighting (minion system from 4e ?), you are more open to playing "alien" races, and enjoy 4th-wall humor in game... or just don't like humor at all to take too much place. Medieval, heroic fantasy is what people expect, even if the system opens to lots of other universes. You also seem to like a bit more playing characters sharing similarities with appreciated heroes from litterature or pop culture.
1) From what I've seen, read and heard, In France, we tend to like more "realistic", grey settings. We put a good emphasize on drama, moral choices, influence of said choices - basically, being genre savvy is a good way to predict how the plot may turn out, but it is also the best way to be tricked into new plots (and anyway, everyone loves it). We like our games to be more Underdog Gritty Fantasy than Heroic Fantasy, even if the foes are worthy of heroes and several meters tall.2) From what I've read from US games, you tend to like to be under pressure about combat and have more flashy action while fighting (minion system from 4e ?), you are more open to playing "alien" races, and enjoy 4th-wall humor in game... or just don't like humor at all to take too much place. Medieval, heroic fantasy is what people expect, even if the system opens to lots of other universes. You also seem to like a bit more playing characters sharing similarities with appreciated heroes from litterature or pop culture.
1) I heard "In Nomine" did that (even having sliding scale options)
2) Not just in North America, many people do this, but some cultures/circles might frown upon that kind of copying/parodying.
I doubt is you would get a direct conversion, but you could find a close fit & rebuild the concept from there. As for level, at that low of level I would only lower them to 5th level, at the most. I also find the program Hero Lab, which does cost money, to be awesome. It makes converting adventures from any edition a breeze. You find the equivalent creature, or a reasonable substitute, & then adjust to get your target CR. It works great for converting characters as well. You pick your desired level & then build the character until you get close to the desired abilities.