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Maybe I am just a bit more of an anime fan than I am willing to addmit to myself, but conceptually I think Bestiary 3 captured the caltfolk better than the new Advanced Races Guide.
Now I would like to say that the artwork did look very well done! It just was not what I was expecting.
What I was expecting was basically a thin humanoid with cat like features; cat tail, cat ears, set of claws, and fangs. Like the touch of cat hair pattern on the skin or thin layer of fur in Bestiary 3. So in future products could we please see catfolk in a more this style?
Thank you,
-Hexen
Maybe I am just a bit more of an anime fan than I am willing to addmit to myself, but conceptually I think Bestiary 3 captured the caltfolk better than the new Advanced Races Guide.
Now I would like to say that the artwork did look very well done! It just was not what I was expecting.
What I was expecting was basically a thin humanoid with cat like features; cat tail, cat ears, set of claws, and fangs. Like the touch of cat hair pattern on the skin or thin layer of fur in Bestiary 3. So in future products could we please see catfolk in a more this style?
Thank you,
-Hexen
Personally not an anime style fan in my PFRPG games, more likely to appreciate grittier and darker art. Though I think it mainly showed us that there is aot of variety in catfolk appearance so decide for yourself what you like best.
Personally not an anime style fan in my PFRPG games, more likely to appreciate grittier and darker art. Though I think it mainly showed us that there is aot of variety in catfolk appearance so decide for yourself what you like best.
Meh- god point. This is just how I feel.
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No, please.. I hate the catgirl/catboi look.
I prefer the ARG's artwork.
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I agree with the OP. While I appreciate a variety of art depicting variations in a given race, I find the art in MM3 to match their "physical description" section much better. Given a choice, I'd rather have the MM3 art that brings words to mind such as "lithe," "nimble," and "graceful."
The ARG depicts that catfolk as bulky, very strong looking, like a body builder wearing a leopard head. Basically, the ARG art reminds me of the Vah Shir from Everquest, and I've always hated them. With a fiery burning passion. Dang moon leopards.
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I like the B3 version better -- but that's mainly due to those horrible horrible horrible legs in the ARG version. Those are just terrible.
The rest of it I'm fine with but those legs... ugh.
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Put me in the camp for liking the ARG ones better. I'm really tired of seeing the "cute anime cat girl" trope. It's overdone and I find panders more to fanservice than creativity. I'd put it there with the "two scimitar wielding drow ranger" and "half dragon super special snowflake" character designs as my least favorite.
I think variety should be remembered. Humans can look like Brad Pitt or that girl from the Precious movie. It think it makes sense that a catfolk might have one at least as much variety in coloration as cats and two as much variety in body type as humans. That should cover both lanky graceful cat chicks as well as uber muscular warriors of awesomeness. One artist or one book does not define the look for all time.
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I am a fan of the B3 version. Really just personal preference, I like my generic animal-folk more human-animal than animal-human, especially if they are being given the standard (extremely revealing) fantasy outfits(ew, snow leopard in a bra). The overall effect of the ARG versions felt more "Werecat" than "Catfolk" to me.
But since people seem to have such different responses to the different styles, hopefully switching between different looks will become the norm. Keep everybody at least half happy that way.
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Admittedly, the female catfolk in the ARG looks awkward. Like REALLY awkward. The male looks pretty cool though.
I think for me, I actually think the Rakshasa-Blooded Tiefling from Book of Fiends was probably a rendition I liked of the catfolk motif.
Admittedly, the female catfolk in the ARG looks awkward. Like REALLY awkward. The male looks pretty cool though.
I think for me, I actually think the Rakshasa-Blooded Tiefling from Book of Fiends was probably a rendition I liked of the catfolk motif.
This.
That picture (page 23 of blood of fiends) basically perfectly matches what I imagine in my head based on the catfolk description. It's a shame the artwork is for a tiefling instead of a catfolk.
They even have the same stat bonuses... Perhaps there is a connection here! That could be an interesting thing to put into the world's backstory and reveal to your catfolk player... because making up lore is fun!
Have to say though I loved my catfolk archeologist ("I have a shovel!") when I got to play him -- much fun.
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I like the B3 version too.
the ARG version doesn't really fit the ability scores.
Speaking of ability scores, why is the Changeling favored class something she doesn't have the bonus for?
Speaking of ability scores, why is the Changeling favored class something she doesn't have the bonus for?
Do you mean the "Favored Class Options," or the "Racial Archetype?" Assuming from the use of singular you mean Racial Archetype, I think it is because there is a thematically linked, even if the race's stats don't really synergise well with the class. The "Dreamweaver" archetype really does fit the race quite well, even if Changelings aren't specifically suited to being Witches. It is pretty common, honestly, and at least they don't take a penalty to an important stat like the Catfolk Monk does.
Speaking of ability scores, why is the Changeling favored class something she doesn't have the bonus for?Do you mean the "Favored Class Options," or the "Racial Archetype?" Assuming from the use of singular you mean Racial Archetype, I think it is because there is a thematically linked, even if the race's stats don't really synergise well with the class. The "Dreamweaver" archetype really does fit the race quite well, even if Changelings aren't specifically suited to being Witches. It is pretty common, honestly, and at least they don't take a penalty to an important stat like the Catfolk Monk does.
Well, CON penalty for a D6 class...
Belle Mythix might be on the cusp of a huge revelation here.
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ARG version kinda looks more like Thundercats to me. Bothered a little that both of them were of a snow leopard type. I would've liked a little more variety there.
The B3 version is fine for some, and I actually thought that was supposed to be the direction they were going with catfolk, considering the anime feel that Golarion elves have. Then the ARG went all Lion-O on me.
I kinda prefer the ARG version. Makes me feel more manly when I roll up my Panthro-inspired catfolk monk with his nunchuks.
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While I very much prefer the ARG style to the catfolk, the B3 art was more humanoid whereas the ARG art again brings up the question as to why the monstrous humanoid type exists if things that animalistic still count as humanoid.
While I very much prefer the ARG style to the catfolk, the B3 art was more humanoid whereas the ARG art again brings up the question as to why the monstrous humanoid type exists if things that animalistic still count as humanoid.
Good point.
There are many things I think should be monstrous humanoid that aren't. Like Trolls...
As I said in the ARG thread, I like neither artwork. The one in B3 almost has no likeness to a cat, and the pics in the ARG look like anthropomorphic snow leopards. It's unoriginal, and there are templates for that kind of thing.
The best catfolk representation I have ever seen is Ron Perlman's mask for "The Beauty and the Beast". It actually looks feral and cat-like, while offering a more realistic image of a humanoid/cat hybrid.
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While I like the Bestiary 3 version of Catfolk, I have to agree with Remco Sommeling that having depictions of both incarnations(and maybe more)in the same product would make more people happy. It would show that there is a wide variaty of this species and who knows what to expect.
I also find it interesting that this is the only animal race that has people so devided on how it should look. I wish there was male incarnation of the Bestiary 3 art style though.
While I prefer the more humaniod(Thundercat) version, my biggest complaints about the Catfolk from Advanced Races was there were no alternate racial traits to replace there Cat's Luck ability or any options for Ranger/Monk that made up for there low wisdom.
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I say stick with the ARG. There's enough Catperson anime out there. I'd rather they look like Kera/Vah Shir.
PS, I see no one's complaining about the ratfolk...
I say stick with the ARG. There's enough Catperson anime out there. I'd rather they look like Kera/Vah Shir.
PS, I see no one's complaining about the ratfolk...
There isn't as wide of a variety of rat body types in the world either though.
A house cat looks very different from a bobcat, which looks very different from a tiger which again is very different in looks from the lion which has large differences between it and a panther.
Rats for better or for worse no matter the breed share the same prominent features.
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I say stick with the ARG. There's enough Catperson anime out there. I'd rather they look like Kera/Vah Shir.
PS, I see no one's complaining about the ratfolk...
There isn't as wide of a variety of rat body types in the world either though.
A house cat looks very different from a bobcat, which looks very different from a tiger which again is very different in looks from the lion which has large differences between it and a panther.
Rats for better or for worse no matter the breed share the same prominent features.
Which would seem to have nothing to do with anyone's complaints... The bulk of the complaints have to do with how human or how cat like the race appears.
The Ratonga from EQ2 were a great deal more lithe, intelligent, and sneaky. The ratfolk in the ARG look downright pudgy.
Not that I'm concerned. "Catfolk" and "ratfolk" are such generic terms that I don't feel anyone should feel bound by one books interpretation over another's. There's plenty enough Cat people art floating around the internet to meet everyone's needs. Now if only there were more ratfolk art...
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I would like to add that I do think the Bestiary 3 artwork could have been done better, but I think it matches the concept of catfolk better.
Can we more agree on Bestiary 3 style, but done better?
Don't get me wrong, the Bestiary 3 version is pretty slick. But outside of a picture, or even that art style, I have a hard time seeing that as anything a but a person in cat costume. And in real life, the more elaborate a cat costume/makeup the weirder that person ends up looking.
I would like to add that I do think the Bestiary 3 artwork could have been done better, but I think it matches the concept of catfolk better.
Can we more agree on Bestiary 3 style, but done better?
Still disagree. I really like the cat folk more like the catfolk in the Shards of Alara set of Magic the Gathering. Nacatl I think they were called.
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The Bestiary 3 Catfolk pic is one of my favorite artworks from that Bestiary. Nice thing about Paizo is they aren't telling us one way or another wich is "right", they let us decide for ourselves. The big problem will be close minded DMs who say that the version you want/like is "wrong". I do hope that Paizo will have more variety in this races look enough to satisfy most people. I hope that these constant arguements about how they should look doesn't lessen the chances of furture products with this race.
I can go with the Nacatl easily enough -- as long as those legs are fixed... I mean really a person with legs like that (in the ARG) would never walk.
The ARG style is a bit overdone in western rpgs. The B3 version was far more original. Thin =/= anime style. They looked more like catfolk in B3 opposed to Tigerfolk in ARG
Agreed.
I like the Nacatl well enough. I'm not really sure why you're convinced it's impossible to walk like that though. It's like saying walking on the balls of your feet is impossible. Plus ya need good feets for pouncin', right?
I like the Nacatl well enough. I'm not really sure why you're convinced it's impossible to walk like that though. It's like saying walking on the balls of your feet is impossible. Plus ya need good feets for pouncin', right?
The feet aren't the problem -- the overly pronounced lower legs are. There is a reason creatures that regular walk upright on two legs don't have knees and lower legs like that.
I love the ARG Version.
And I like variety.
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I like the Nacatl well enough. I'm not really sure why you're convinced it's impossible to walk like that though. It's like saying walking on the balls of your feet is impossible. Plus ya need good feets for pouncin', right?The feet aren't the problem -- the overly pronounced lower legs are. There is a reason creatures that regular walk upright on two legs don't have knees and lower legs like that.
There were quite a few dinosaurs that were bipedal and had digitigrade legs.
There were quite a few dinosaurs that were bipedal and had digitigrade legs.I like the Nacatl well enough. I'm not really sure why you're convinced it's impossible to walk like that though. It's like saying walking on the balls of your feet is impossible. Plus ya need good feets for pouncin', right?The feet aren't the problem -- the overly pronounced lower legs are. There is a reason creatures that regular walk upright on two legs don't have knees and lower legs like that.
They also had much thicker tails, hunched over and had much meatier legs.
I'm not saying digitigrade legs are an impossibility in bipedal movement -- however they certainly come with significant drawbacks and require a less than human body structure.
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They also had much thicker tails, hunched over and had much meatier legs.
I'm not saying digitigrade legs are an impossibility in bipedal movement -- however they certainly come with significant drawbacks and require a less than human body structure.
Maybe, but the game also has giant ants, otyughs and ettins =p.
I still prefer the B3 version, but weretigers and the like can have digitigrade.
I think we may be confusing unfeasible with unseen. It would certainly be hard on the joints, but is advantageous for achieving "mad ups".
Would someone be so kind as to locate a drawing of a realistic looking drawing/picture of a person/creature with the facial features shown in Bestiary 3? I just want to see an example of one that doesn't look... freakish... outside of the cartoon/anime style these are usually drawn in.
This would match a bit more closely to my last catfolk character. However it's just a portrait shot so doesn't provide much to go with.
On the digitigrade legs part -- there are different forms of digitigrade legs too... I mean there's a difference between this, this, and this.
This seems little more than a dressed up human (could potentially be NSFW due to fur covered nudity with nothing really showing).
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Honestly, at this point, I think Avatar may have the closest thing to realistic anime style catfolk...
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After looking over all the arguments, I think the more human looking face is what it comes down to for me.
And I would like to see a B3-like version for a male.
However again, maybe a better down version of B3 would be nice.