WOTC just officially announced 3.5 core book reprints in September


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I picked up an extra PH at Half Price Books about a month ago, so I'd probably be in for a new MM, as mine is pretty worn. My DMG is not used nearly as much as the other two, which is kinda ironic since I mostly DM.

Liberty's Edge

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Stefan Hill wrote:
Even with errata 3.5e is still PF without the 'fixes' to the d20 system.

But equally for some people 3.5 is PF without the "defects/issues" PF introduced (grappling, channelling, trip property, Fly skill etc).

Dark Archive

Hmm.

There are a handful of books in that list I want and still don't have.

I may re-buy the 3.5 core books if I have extra cash.

But honestly, what I'd really like is an updated version of the pathfinder ruleset with better balanced options, and with all the dead weight excised or fixed.

The way I see it: 3e<3.5e<PFRPG, but PFRPG still has alot of room for improvement.

But for PHBII, Magic Item Compendium and Spell Compendium and Cityscape and Complete Mage and Complete Arcane and Fiendish Codex II I'll make room on my shelf.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Well the XPH of course (again erratted) and I'd love for the Mind's Eye stuff to be printed (and OGL'd) but I'm dreaming.
Meh. I'd rather they didn't reprint the XPH. 3.5 and Pathfinder aren't that different; maybe with no reprinted XPH, more 3.5 players will finally pick up the Dreamscarred Pathfinder books?

True (and I have 'em), But if they're going to reprint stuff, at least reprint books I like :-)

(I'll pass on ToM, I like Radiance House's Binders much better)

Grand Lodge

DigitalMage wrote:
Stefan Hill wrote:
Even with errata 3.5e is still PF without the 'fixes' to the d20 system.
But equally for some people 3.5 is PF without the "defects/issues" PF introduced (grappling, channelling, trip property, Fly skill etc).

Hello! :)


TriOmegaZero wrote:
DigitalMage wrote:
Stefan Hill wrote:
Even with errata 3.5e is still PF without the 'fixes' to the d20 system.
But equally for some people 3.5 is PF without the "defects/issues" removed (turning undeads, cross-class skills).
Hello! :)

Fixed that for you :P

DISCLAIMER: Bold part is not the original poster's statement.

Shadow Lodge

I'm sorry your system mastery was...lacking.

Silver Crusade

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TOZ wrote:
I'm sorry your system mastery was...lacking.

I always knew there will be that one guy who loves Skill Synergies and Use Rope :)

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I don't think I've ever seen anyone Use Rope outside of Zork.


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*blink blink*

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What I really love about this forum is that whatever obscure pop-cultural reference you use, *somebody* has a matching alias and responds. :)


TOZ wrote:
I'm sorry your system mastery was...lacking.

It wasn't my system mastery lacking. It was I, who, most of the time, had to keep an eye for party Cleric when she used turning to make sure she hadn't made an error.

It's just that the rules for turning were (a) pointlessly complicated crap, (b) I always disliked the idea of turning undeads in the first place. Pathfinder switching it to a mere option for Clerics works for me.

And when it comes to cross-class skills, again, pointless math that served no actual purpose other than prevent non-skill focused characters from actually being capable of doing something decently.

Still, Pathfinder could make a step further, by giving a minimum of 4 skill points per level.


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Successful Troll thanks fellow poster for playing.


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Successful Troll is Successful wrote:
Successful Troll thanks fellow poster for playing.

It's gamers forum, isn't it? Where would we be if we weren't playing from time to time?

EDIT: Tag! You are it!


TOZ wrote:
Chuck Norris. Your argument is invalid.

Chuck Norris makes other people, not their arguments, invalids.

TO PF fixing grappling, well I have to agree with that. The PF group that I have been playing with for about 5 months now hasn't used grappling once (in my 3.5 game I run, we use it every session). So, yeah they fixed it alright. They fixed it so that nobody even bothers with it anymore. In PF 2, expect the idea to be dropped entirely (grappling =! fun).

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Drejk wrote:
It's gamers forum, isn't it? Where would we be if we weren't playing from time to time?

Personally I wouldn't consider what you did trolling, and I can appreciate the humour, I have just seen threads turn into train wrecks after a misquote is picked up by someone else not realising it was a deliberate misquote, so I prefer people not to do so with my posts.

Cheers!


pres man wrote:
TO PF fixing grappling, well I have to agree with that. The PF group that I have been playing with for about 5 months now hasn't used grappling once (in my 3.5 game I run, we use it every session). So, yeah they fixed it alright. They fixed it so that nobody even bothers with it anymore. In PF 2, expect the idea to be dropped entirely (grappling =! fun).

Interestingly my groups are exactly the opposite. I think there was a grand total of two times a player chose to roll Grapple checks in my 7 years or so of 3.5 games, and I avoided them like the plague as a DM, but since switching to Pathfinder's CMB/CMD mechanic it's popped up at least that much per campaign, if not more.


Orthos wrote:
pres man wrote:
TO PF fixing grappling, well I have to agree with that. The PF group that I have been playing with for about 5 months now hasn't used grappling once (in my 3.5 game I run, we use it every session). So, yeah they fixed it alright. They fixed it so that nobody even bothers with it anymore. In PF 2, expect the idea to be dropped entirely (grappling =! fun).
Interestingly my groups are exactly the opposite. I think there was a grand total of two times a player chose to roll Grapple checks in my 7 years or so of 3.5 games, and I avoided them like the plague as a DM, but since switching to Pathfinder's CMB/CMD mechanic it's popped up at least that much per campaign, if not more.

Partly my experience too. In 3.5 games we use grappling less than in PF. Last session there was grappling involved because GM deliberately built grappling monk opponent, effectively cutting oneself and one of our party fighters out of action - monk managed to pin the fighter each round, fighter managed to release oneself every round, rinse, repeat.


Drejk wrote:
It's gamers forum, isn't it? Where would we be if we weren't playing from time to time?

-> this was response to that redhead of a TrOllZ comment.

"DigitalMage' wrote:


Personally I wouldn't consider what you did trolling, and I can appreciate the humour, I have just seen threads turn into train wrecks after a misquote is picked up by someone else not realising it was a deliberate misquote, so I prefer people not to do so with my posts.

Cheers!

I understand your concerns. I just am used to quoting someone with "fixed it" comment as an explicit declaration of deliberate misquoting the original post and as such to be checked before commenting seriously.

Liberty's Edge

Drejk wrote:
I understand your concerns. I just am used to quoting someone with "fixed it" comment as an explicit declaration of deliberate misquoting the original post and as such to be checked before commenting seriously.

Cool, I understand too, and can even smile at it, but as I said I have seen people then go on to multi-quote, drop the "fixed it" comment and then lose the context of the misquote.

Scarab Sages

I think this may be a new strategy from Hasbro. They look at all the games Wizards is sitting on and thinking: "Okay, so people are still playing these, and the consensus is they are different enough that sales of one will not inhibit sales of another. Why aren't we selling all of these?"

Liberty's Edge

Does anyone have an amazon link for this product. Amazon gives really great prices on a preorder for RPG books this early...

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I removed a post and some replies to it. Please don't put words in other peoples' mouths.


Thom, my suspicion is that it will, like the 1E reprints, be a hobby retailer exclusive, which means Amazon and other big box retailers probably won't carry it.

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Power Word Unzip wrote:
Thom, my suspicion is that it will, like the 1E reprints, be a hobby retailer exclusive, which means Amazon and other big box retailers probably won't carry it.

Which sucks. If WotC are going to do this then they need an online store like Paizo... Else bad WotC, bad, bad WotC.

Grand Lodge

Power Word Unzip wrote:
Thom, my suspicion is that it will, like the 1E reprints, be a hobby retailer exclusive, which means Amazon and other big box retailers probably won't carry it.

The official announcement (on the WotC web site) suggests otherwise...

Wizards of the Coast Web Site wrote:
so, be sure to pick yours up at your friendly local book or gaming store!

(Emphasis mine)

While the 1e reprint announcement clearly stated "This is a hobby channel exclusive in North America."...


I still own most everything I'd want from 3.x.

I took the survey and said I'd buy 3.5 revisions of the MM2 (not even listed) and Fiend Folio (listed). Along w/ the Tome of Battle w/ the errata we never got, as has previously been mentioned in this very thread.

They did hint at maybe updating some 3.0 stuff, as a page listed epic rules...I'd kill for a 3.5 re-do of the Epic Level Handbook, as Paizo has shown no interest in fleshing those kinds of rules out, sadly.

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I think that James Jacobs said that an Epic Rules Handbook would be his top pick for the next addition to the RPG line. Maybe we'll hear something about it at gencon.


BenS wrote:

I took the survey and said I'd buy 3.5 revisions of the MM2 (not even listed) and Fiend Folio (listed). Along w/ the Tome of Battle w/ the errata we never got, as has previously been mentioned in this very thread.

They did hint at maybe updating some 3.0 stuff, as a page listed epic rules...I'd kill for a 3.5 re-do of the Epic Level Handbook, as Paizo has shown no interest in fleshing those kinds of rules out, sadly.

You do know that the Monster Manual II, Fiend Folio, and Epic Level Handbook have 3.5 conversions available for free, right? Link.

I'm just making sure.


Aaron Bitman wrote:
BenS wrote:

I took the survey and said I'd buy 3.5 revisions of the MM2 (not even listed) and Fiend Folio (listed). Along w/ the Tome of Battle w/ the errata we never got, as has previously been mentioned in this very thread.

They did hint at maybe updating some 3.0 stuff, as a page listed epic rules...I'd kill for a 3.5 re-do of the Epic Level Handbook, as Paizo has shown no interest in fleshing those kinds of rules out, sadly.

You do know that the Monster Manual II, Fiend Folio, and Epic Level Handbook have 3.5 conversions available for free, right? Link.

I'm just making sure.

They are... not good. The MM2, especially, needs to be modernized with a better understanding of HD, CR, etc.

I, too, would love to buy a 3.5 re-do of the MM2.


Digitalelf wrote:
Power Word Unzip wrote:
Thom, my suspicion is that it will, like the 1E reprints, be a hobby retailer exclusive, which means Amazon and other big box retailers probably won't carry it.

The official announcement (on the WotC web site) suggests otherwise...

Wizards of the Coast Web Site wrote:
so, be sure to pick yours up at your friendly local book or gaming store!

(Emphasis mine)

While the 1e reprint announcement clearly stated "This is a hobby channel exclusive in North America."...

Whoops, missed that. Bad assumption on my part - sorry! =X


thomrenault wrote:
I think that James Jacobs said that an Epic Rules Handbook would be his top pick for the next addition to the RPG line. Maybe we'll hear something about it at gencon.

I'm pretty sure the Pathfinder Mythic Rules are under development as we speak or will be soon. The "hints" have been very strong about it...

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Stefan Hill wrote:


I still WANT to see a D&D Rules Cyclopedia come out again.

S.

You should look into Dark Dungeons. The PDF is free, and you can get a print version from lulu.com

It has pretty much all the same content as Rules Cyclopedia.

EDIT: It's a retro-clone, FYI.


Aaron Bitman wrote:
BenS wrote:

I took the survey and said I'd buy 3.5 revisions of the MM2 (not even listed) and Fiend Folio (listed). Along w/ the Tome of Battle w/ the errata we never got, as has previously been mentioned in this very thread.

They did hint at maybe updating some 3.0 stuff, as a page listed epic rules...I'd kill for a 3.5 re-do of the Epic Level Handbook, as Paizo has shown no interest in fleshing those kinds of rules out, sadly.

You do know that the Monster Manual II, Fiend Folio, and Epic Level Handbook have 3.5 conversions available for free, right? Link.

I'm just making sure.

Yes, thank you Aaron, I do know about that (I have it as well). But I'd be willing to pay for all that information to be put into a revised book, rather than constantly referring to a print out.


srd5090 wrote:
Stefan Hill wrote:


I still WANT to see a D&D Rules Cyclopedia come out again.

S.

You should look into Dark Dungeons. The PDF is free, and you can get a print version from lulu.com

It has pretty much all the same content as Rules Cyclopedia.

EDIT: It's a retro-clone, FYI.

Seconded. Dark Dungeons is one of the best retro-clones I've seen. Just reading through it makes me wanna break out Dawn of the Emperors, Wrath of the Immortals, and my Princess Ark articles and boxed set!


They want to do reprints huh......

Well some comments are better not written down, less I be banned from this forum.


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Welp, what books would people like to see? Is this supposed to be a single product?

I'd like a strong core game without too many of the clases that make Fighters and Bards and suchlike irrelevent. (Chances, however, seem slim.)

I'd like to see some of the skill tricks (a true diamond in the rough), Alternate Class Features (especially the racial ones and PHBII stuff, and maaaaybe dungeoncrasher) and other such fun options that don't add to the feat bloat.

I'd like to see some of the changes pathfinder made to the feat and wealth progression, but this seems pretty unlikely. I'd also like to see a reprint of Red Hand of Doom, but again... I'll probably do little more than scrounging up a pdf copy out of curiosity, so I dont know how much this customer's opinion is worth. :P

I'm curious what all the 3.5 gamers (past and present) listed as their favourite books, though. If it's not too off topic, what are your favourite bits of 3.5?


Most of the stuff I loved for 3.5 was not even published by WoTC. It was Sword Sorcery Studios, Necromancer Games and Goodman Games......


On the survey, I voted for reprinting Unearthed Arcana and both volumes of the Fiendish Codex. May have voted for one or two others, too, but clearly the other books didn't make a huge impression on me because I don't remember them.


WoTC official releases:
> Tome of Magic (MORE BINDER LOVE *points at username*)
> Tome of Battle
> Dragon Compendium
> Magic of Incarnum
> Complete Arcane (if just for the Warlock)
> Complete Scoundrel
> Races of _____ series (each book had something I liked, though I think they would have worked better as a single large volume)
> Expanded Psionics Handbook
> Heroes of Horror

Non-official:
> Near anything by Malhavoc Press

Grand Lodge

Orthos, why aren't you in my gaming group?


Cause I haven't lived in Texas since 2003? =)

Grand Lodge

I got here six years too late!


I think I voted for Unearthed Arcana, the first 4 Complete XYZ books and the Tome of Battle. (EDIT: And the Magic Item Compendium and the Spell Compendium.) To be fair, I doubt I would buy any of those.

I also asked for Age of Worms and Savage Tide in the comments section. Now those I would buy!


hogarth wrote:
I also asked for Age of Worms and Savage Tide in the comments section. Now those I would buy!

Same, plus Dragon Compendium and Dungeon/Dragon reprints/compilations. =)


Orthos wrote:
Same, plus Dragon Compendium and Dungeon/Dragon reprints/compilations. =)

I'm sure you know this, but you can still buy the Dragon Compendium from Paizo. Do you mean an all-new Dragon Compendium, vol. 2?


Can you say colossal waste of money? People would actually buy books that sit in my basement or that I use to level my game table?

Scarab Sages

I really REALLY wish they had done a Feat Compendium.

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