What kind of DR does a Druid get from the Righteous Might spell?


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Dark Archive

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(cast via Growth sub-domain).

Particularly a neutral druid.

Richard


I'd say "none". Aligned DR tends to be an attribute of [u]fundamentally[/u] aligned, outer-plane-powered beings. There are neutral outsiders, but no outsiders with the "Neutral" subtype and matching DR.


From Righteous Might:
"You gain DR 5/evil (if you normally channel positive energy) or DR 5/good (if you normally channel negative energy). At 15th level, this DR becomes 10/evil or 10/good (the maximum)."

Does the druid normally channel positive energy? No, okay, so they don't get DR/evil. Do they normally channel negative energy? No, so they don't get DR/good.


If I were the GM, I'd just tell the player to (permanently) pick either "positive" or "negative" for his PC and apply that as necessary.

Grand Lodge

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Since this is such a corner case, I'd just house rule it as DR/Cold Iron.

Dark Archive

I think it would have to be something, rather than no DR at all. This is, after all, one of the two Growth sub-domain spells.

I notice that there is a FAQ for the Oracle using this.

Richard


Yes, but the FAQ also ties it to a class feature that requires choosing between positive or negative energy.

Inquisitors have the same issue, really, but that's much easier to figure out.

Grand Lodge

Is the Growth domain a domain a Druid can even get?


According to Herolab you can. Then again Herolab allows an Urban druid to use this domain even though it is clearly not on their list.


Yes. "Subdomains can be selected by Druids (except the metal subdomain) and inquisitors (if their deity allows it)."

Grand Lodge

Tarantula wrote:
Yes. "Subdomains can be selected by Druids (except the metal subdomain) and inquisitors (if their deity allows it)."

Subdomains of allowed domains. Not all domains are open to Druids and this would presumably exclude domains of those that are not.


LazarX wrote:
Tarantula wrote:
Yes. "Subdomains can be selected by Druids (except the metal subdomain) and inquisitors (if their deity allows it)."
Subdomains of allowed domains. Not all domains are open to Druids and this would presumably exclude domains of those that are not.

The Plant domain is an allowed domain for druids.


LazarX wrote:
Is the Growth domain a domain a Druid can even get?

As an addendum, a lion shaman druid can also get righteous might through the Glory domain.

Grand Lodge

Looking at the spell, it's clear that you only gain DR, if you channel positive or negative energy. So the Druid essentially misses out on that function of the spell totally since they don't channel at all. And they don't have the Oracle exception. The alignment of the Druid is irrelevant.

Dark Archive

That's a bit harsh, in my opinion.

Don't you think this is an inadvertent omission rather than a deliberate limitation?

It seems very uncharacteristic to make one of the two domain spells for Growth, which is one of the few domains a Druid can take, be limited in this way.

I would have thought there should be a Druid exception as well.

Richard


LazarX wrote:
Tarantula wrote:
Yes. "Subdomains can be selected by Druids (except the metal subdomain) and inquisitors (if their deity allows it)."
Subdomains of allowed domains. Not all domains are open to Druids and this would presumably exclude domains of those that are not.

"Growth Subdomain

Associated Domain: Plant."

"Nature Bond (Ex): At 1st level, a druid forms a bond with nature. This bond can take one of two forms. The first is a close tie to the natural world, granting the druid one of the following cleric domains: Air, Animal, Earth, Fire, Plant, Water, or Weather."


Richard, I agree with you, it is probably from oversight rather than intentional. Maybe in the next errata they can include that druids must choose "positive or negative" and stick with their choice for the spell. That's how I would handle it anyway. If they later multi-classed cleric, that choice would also apply.


Gjorbjond wrote:

Since this is such a corner case, I'd just house rule it as DR/Cold Iron.

+1

Fey tied to the natural world, like druids. When fey get DR it is X/Cold iron.

Grand Lodge

richard develyn wrote:

That's a bit harsh, in my opinion.

Don't you think this is an inadvertent omission rather than a deliberate limitation?

It seems very uncharacteristic to make one of the two domain spells for Growth, which is one of the few domains a Druid can take, be limited in this way.

I would have thought there should be a Druid exception as well.

Richard

They still get the other not insignificant benefits of this spell. They can cast this spell in Wildshape with the appropriate feat. Druids are not as focused with the powers of Good and Evil as clerics are, so I think it's a fair cop that in this case, they don't get the DR benefits either.

Not all domains, not all powers are equal. You can be free to houserule it as been suggested in this thread but as the spell text formulates the DR as the result of an IF/THEN formula. Druids fail the IF part, so they don't get the THEN. Neither does any other caster who has access to this spell and not channel.


LazarX wrote:

They still get the other not insignificant benefits of this spell. They can cast this spell in Wildshape with the appropriate feat.

Wouldn't be much help because effects that change your size do not work when under the effect of a polymorph spell.


On one hand I like the DR/cold iron house rule, but on the other it's much easier to overcome than DR/alignment.

I concur that it's probably just an oversight like it was with the oracle, and flagged it for FAQ to help out.

Dark Archive

Cheapy wrote:
LazarX wrote:

They still get the other not insignificant benefits of this spell. They can cast this spell in Wildshape with the appropriate feat.

Wouldn't be much help because effects that change your size do not work when under the effect of a polymorph spell.

This is also something that needs clarifying, BTW.

Is it just the size change that doesn't work when you are polymorphed, or does the whole spell fail in its entirety?

If the former, is the size change just suppressed - so if you are no longer polymorphed but the spell is still in operation it then comes into effect?

Richard

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