The only Binder I know of is a class in the 3.5 D&D book Tome of Magic.
A Binder is a base (20 level) class from 3.5's "Tome of Magic."
As DM, I would insist on being able to review those rules before deciding whether to allow it. It isn't terribly powerful, but it could be if the player neglects to tell you about the drawbacks and limitations. You would need to be conversant with those rules to keep him in check.
ETA: Ninja'd by Jeraa!
Cheesewonker new player whips out a character that has all these spiffy abilities that seem feat worthy but won't really explain to the DM what is does... And things change as we go. Need rules set for the DM.
If player can't provide the GM with rulebook from which he took options he can't have them. Common sense and general gaming courtesy.
There were attempts to pathfinderize Binder here on boards so you might want to search Conversions section for "Binder" and look for SmiloDan posts to see general range of Binder's abilities.
The others are correct, and nobody should get to do anything without the GM's permission. He would provide me a copy of the rules and/or a source or he would not be playing.
Ohhh...the pact magic stuff. I bought it cause it was different. Dunno if I'd let anyone play it though.
But, first off, first rule of DM in my house at my table is, I get veto on what anyone plays, and a completed character sheet must be presented before play for approval. Questions on what is or is not allowed is handled before a character is even made...
Short review of Wizard Of The Coasts Binder class from Tome Of Magic (may be less than perfectly accurate when it comes to details - I don't have Tome Of Magic at hand and it passed lots of time since I saw it last time).
Binder is a class using unique form of magic to call upon the power of vestiges - spirits that are remnants of dead deities, legendary heroes, vanquished archdevils, fallen celestials, ascended undeads. The book contains 20-something of them IIRC. They are tiered by level, 1st to 8th, losely equivalent to spell levels. The binder in special ritual conjures the manifestation of vestige and forges a pact that will last for one day or until the vestige is expelled via a feat. While under the pact the binder gains certain signs betraying the vestige he is bound to, and the vestige can influence his actions to a certain degree but grants a number of abilities determined by vestige (so a vestige may grant darkvision, breathing fire and a feat or two, for example). Higher level vestiges grant more powerful abilities, obviously, but they have higher pact DC. If the binder fails to roll pact DC on his Charisma+class level check the vestige grants him the abilities but the character is strongly influenced by the vestige and is compelled to react in specific way to certain reactions (so a hypothethical dead fire god would refuse to touch water and would ignite all flammable items in sight). Higher level binders could bind more than one vestige at a time but a few vestiges refused to make pact if the binder recently conjured their enemies.
IIRC Binder takes directly from Tome Of Magic should not be problem with Pathfinder but there might be some secret combos that would turn the balance of that class upside down.
The main problem is that each binder has access to all vestiges, limited only by his level and level of vestige so playing that class at higher levels requires either the book at hand or lots of notes.
DM is WAY more lenient than I.
He'd have been out the door in any game I would run. DM Specifically said that he wanted heroes (good guys) and apparently these guys are run out of pretty much everywhere?
for the love of all things sacred tell him no.I had a guy play a binder once he did the same thing it was a mess
Players favorite tactic is roll a dice and then tell what he's doing... GAH!!
Oddly, that's the one thing the GM has banned.
Players favorite tactic is roll a dice and then tell what he's doing... GAH!!
The GM is way to passive. Yeah I saw the post where you said he banned it, but still....
Removed post and its replies. Please post civilly, thanks!
Did the OP delete his original post? Or was that the post that Liz deleted?
Either way this thread is very weird without it.
The OP's thread was here past deletion time, and it did not have inflammatory language. One of my threads disappeared the other day also though, but then it came back.
I could see it from my "post" tab in my profile, but it was not in the actual thread.
PS:I can't find the user's name in a search. It seems he may have deleted his profile.
I have NOT deleted my profile. I don't know why it disappeared.
The disappearing posts have been happening a lot lately. You might have to go to the website subforum to see if they can recover it for you.
Question has been answered. All is well :)
Even better. Thanks Matthew!