Current classes! However, Earthdawn characters begin play with a bonus Discipline feat, which grants several new class skills and--by way of prerequisite--many new abilities called Adept Feats (considered supernatural abilities in game terms). Once a Discipline feat is chosen, the character is then officially an Adept. Adepts also have access to the Adept feat Karma Ritual, which allows them to gain Karna Points.
Choosing your bonus Discipline feat will be limited by your base class, as these feats, like all others, have prerequisites of their own.
Will those feats and abilities be Open Content or part of Product Identity?
Hank - I'm already sold, you can stop teasing me! :p
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I'm curious, will there be all new classes or will current classes be used?Current classes! However, Earthdawn characters begin play with a bonus Discipline feat, which grants several new class skills and--by way of prerequisite--many new abilities called Adept Feats (considered supernatural abilities in game terms). Once a Discipline feat is chosen, the character is then officially an Adept. Adepts also have access to the Adept feat Karma Ritual, which allows them to gain Karna Points.
Choosing your bonus Discipline feat will be limited by your base class, as these feats, like all others, have prerequisites of their own.
so there will be the 11 pathfinder core classes in the first player book right ?
and the "disciplines" feats will be defining the core classes more like the ED classes (airsailor, skyraider, swordmaster, weaponsmith) or they will only give the "adept" status to the core class ?what i am asking is we will have airsailors or skyraiders in ED/PF (or messenger, or liberators) or they are just a subclass of the basic classes ?
ofc warriors > fighters, thieves > rogues, probably rangers > scouts, troubadours > bards.. but clerics ? there arent clerics in barsaive as per self.. so healing how will be handled ?
any chance to have a preview before actually buying it ?
:)
Will those feats and abilities be Open Content or part of Product Identity?
I'll let James answer that!
so there will be the 11 pathfinder core classes in the first player book right ?
and the "disciplines" feats will be defining the core classes more like the ED classes (airsailor, skyraider, swordmaster, weaponsmith) or they will only give the "adept" status to the core class ?
what i am asking is we will have airsailors or skyraiders in ED/PF (or messenger, or liberators) or they are just a subclass of the basic classes ?ofc warriors > fighters, thieves > rogues, probably rangers > scouts, troubadours > bards.. but clerics ? there arent clerics in barsaive as per self.. so healing how will be handled ?
any chance to have a preview before actually buying it ?
:)
I think James is working on a preview, but the core classes won't be reprinted in the Player's Guide. They are, however, available (any PF class, really).
Character creation follows the same guidelines as the core Pathfinder Rulebook (with the exception of choosing a race and starting money/equipment), but with the addition of gaining a bonus feat--the Discipline feat, which have prerequisites.
And since you asked, clerics are interesting, because the Discipline for which they satisfy the prerequisites depend wholly upon which Passion they worship. For example, a cleric of Jaspree can become a Beastmaster or Scout Adept, while a cleric of Chorrolis can become a Thief or Air Sailor Adept, and so on.
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thanks Hank, but i am sorry to say that i am still missing the concept of wich are the classes.
are they the usual PF ones ?
(i mean, bard, barbarian, cleric, fighter, paladin, ranger, wizard, sorcerer, monk, thief, druid ?)
and healing will be spell based mostly, since the PF rules dont allow for "self healing" as it was embedded in any PC (adept or not) in the "fasa" ED ?
thanks Hank, but i am sorry to say that i am still missing the concept of wich are the classes.
are they the usual PF ones ?
(i mean, bard, barbarian, cleric, fighter, paladin, ranger, wizard, sorcerer, monk, thief, druid ?)and healing will be spell based mostly, since the PF rules dont allow for "self healing" as it was embedded in any PC (adept or not) in the "fasa" ED ?
Yes, the usual Pathfinder classes. So you would make a fighter, a bard, a monk, a rogue, or whatever, per normal.
Healing will work as it normally does in Pathfinder.
Try to think of Earthdawn as a Pathfinder game, rather than a game that is trying to bend Pathfinder rules to match a completely different game. We're approaching the game design as though we were building a brand-new campaign world within the rules set down by Pathfinder (just like the Dragonlance designers did with Krynn, for example).
Also, it should be noted, that within the Earthdawn game world, people won't know what "class" they are (that is just metagame), but they will know what their Discipline is.
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yeah sure hank, thanks for the details. it's now more comprehensive.
the thing i just need now (if possible ofc) is to know how the "adept" feat (discipline feat actually) will change the class.
it's something adding on it or modifying it ?
i mean, the "discpline" feat will on a fighter will give to the fighter access to more "combat feats", or there will be a whole new bunch of feats (the old "talents") that will add to the "regular pf" feats ?
yeah sure hank, thanks for the details. it's now more comprehensive.
the thing i just need now (if possible ofc) is to know how the "adept" feat (discipline feat actually) will change the class.
it's something adding on it or modifying it ?
i mean, the "discpline" feat will on a fighter will give to the fighter access to more "combat feats", or there will be a whole new bunch of feats (the old "talents") that will add to the "regular pf" feats ?
Yeah, so basically if you're a fighter and you choose as your bonus Discipline feat "Warrior Adept," then you will be granted several new class skills (called "Adept skills" that ED fans will recognize from the old talent lists), plus access to a wide variety of new Adept feats that have "Warrior Adept" as one of the prerequisites (such as Air Dance, Wood Skin, and so on).
(And to note, all Adept Feats with Warrior Adept as a prerequisite are noted to be combat feats for purposes of being able to choose them with a fighter's bonus feats.)
And then there's Versatility, a bonus skill provided to humans, which allows them to bypass these prerequisites (and even put ranks in Adept skills of other Disciplines), but that's another story...
Interesting. I'll have to see how it plays out.
I think I would have preferred a Disciplines as Classes approach.
More of a D20 Earthdawn than an add-on retaining all the PF assumptions.I am still buying it, but I'm a little less excited. :(
I understand where you're coming from, but I feel that the class skills and feat selection (along with the Adept fluff presented in the Player's Guide) goes a long way to making your vanilla fighter really *feel* like a Warrior Adept, or your wizard really feel like a Wizard Adept (or Illusionist Adept, Nethermancer Adept, etc.).
YMMV, of course!
Will those feats and abilities be Open Content or part of Product Identity?
Mechanics are open content, but names, "fluff" descriptions, etc., are Product Identity. You have to bear in mind that Earthdawn is FASA Corporation's license and we are bound by more restrictions than if it was our own Intellectual Property.
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Interesting. I'll have to see how it plays out.
I think I would have preferred a Disciplines as Classes approach.
More of a D20 Earthdawn than an add-on retaining all the PF assumptions.I am still buying it, but I'm a little less excited. :(
I understand where you're coming from, but I feel that the class skills and feat selection (along with the Adept fluff presented in the Player's Guide) goes a long way to making your vanilla fighter really *feel* like a Warrior Adept, or your wizard really feel like a Wizard Adept (or Illusionist Adept, Nethermancer Adept, etc.).
YMMV, of course!
nice thanks Hank.
another question.there are restrictions on wich "combo" of PF class / "ED" discipline you can take ?
i mean, i can be a PF bard and take the "adept" feat for warriors ? or Nethermancers ? just to say ofc.
or there are "prerequisites" in the discipline feat ?
(that is, for example, only sorcerers and wizard can take the wizard/nethermancer/illusionist/elementalis feat, and warriors only the warrior / swordmaster / skyraider and rangers the scout .. or is a free for all ?)
nice thanks Hank.
another question.
there are restrictions on wich "combo" of PF class / "ED" discipline you can take ?
i mean, i can be a PF bard and take the "adept" feat for warriors ? or Nethermancers ? just to say ofc.
or there are "prerequisites" in the discipline feat ?
(that is, for example, only sorcerers and wizard can take the wizard/nethermancer/illusionist/elementalis feat, and warriors only the warrior / swordmaster / skyraider and rangers the scout .. or is a free for all ?)There are prerequisites for the Discipline feats. A bard won't be able to choose Warrior Adept.
Its funny, this is what I expected, but I think the adept feats are going to be a much better option and it has me even more excited for it.
Its all about milage. Disciplines as classes might have worked better, but it wouldn't let me use any of my other PF stuff with it. And it would make it more difficult to get a game. (I only get to play in pbp anymore.) And honestly, if I could over come those two basic problems, I'd probably just play regular 3rd edition earthdawn.
And we hoped that idea would cross. Being an Adept really is an add-on. By learning a Discipline, characters gain access to a wide variety of powers. Adept skills are truly powers, not just mundane abilities.
I can really understand some people's disappointment with that direction, but I really do feel it helps highlight the difference between non- Adepts and Adepts, making the latter just a little "more than."
After a session of 1st edition ED today I can say that PF ED sounds interesting. At least I wouldn't have to bother wondering which set of dice I should use for the roll each time I roll. Also, maybe our windling beastmaster would roll a bit higher than her rolls of 1, 2 or 3 when rolling her tracking of 1d10.
On the other hand inflicting half of total damage suffered in battle to oneself as strain from using aggressive attack option and Dual Strike skill to two-hit heavily armored dwarf and rather large bear next round has some merit to it.
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And we hoped that idea would cross. Being an Adept really is an add-on. By learning a Discipline, characters gain access to a wide variety of powers. Adept skills are truly powers, not just mundane abilities.
I can really understand some people's disappointment with that direction, but I really do feel it helps highlight the difference between non- Adepts and Adepts, making the latter just a little "more than."
Are ya'll using any of the other character options we've seen for PF in the Player's Guide (such as alternate race traits, archetypes, alternate classes) and if not are you possibly including them in future products (like the Denizen's books)?
And we hoped that idea would cross. Being an Adept really is an add-on. By learning a Discipline, characters gain access to a wide variety of powers. Adept skills are truly powers, not just mundane abilities.
I can really understand some people's disappointment with that direction, but I really do feel it helps highlight the difference between non- Adepts and Adepts, making the latter just a little "more than."
Are ya'll using any of the other character options we've seen for PF in the Player's Guide (such as alternate race traits, archetypes, alternate classes) and if not are you possibly including them in future products (like the Denizen's books)?
Basically character creation remains unaffected other than the bonus Discipline feat.
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So spells are the part my group is really curious about.Are we still looking at several rounds to cast spells?Also in ed you could cast spells all day is that still the case?Will spell matrixes exist?How will metamagic work? Will boneshatter,Razor orb and onion skin retain their scariness?Will we have ed healing too?Or will we need to have a questor present like pf?Last but not least will this line or ed3 ever do any books about shosara or sereatha?
So spells are the part my group is really curious about.Are we still looking at several rounds to cast spells?Also in ed you could cast spells all day is that still the case?Will spell matrixes exist?How will metamagic work? Will boneshatter,Razor orb and onion skin retain their scariness?Will we have ed healing too?Or will we need to have a questor present like pf?Last but not least will this line or ed3 ever do any books about shosara or sereatha?
Spells follow standard PF mechanics. New spells based on the ED versions will be available, but players are free to pick their old favorites.
Questors will be explored in the upcoming Player's Companion (due out in early 2013), but clerics do not need to be Questors, and vice versa. Clerics will still have access to their standard spell list.
An Elven Nations book is currently being developed for the core ED3 line, and we will likely convert it to the Pathfinder and Savage Worlds lines later. But sine we already have more than a dozen books in the pipe for each year up through 2014, we probably won't squeeze it into publication until sometime in 2015.
Quick little interview answering some questions (intro is in Polish, but the actual interview is in English):
An Elven Nations book is currently being developed for the core ED3 line, and we will likely convert it to the Pathfinder and Savage Worlds lines later. But sine we already have more than a dozen books in the pipe for each year up through 2014, we probably won't squeeze it into publication until sometime in 2015.
Once we have the Pf ED book, how hard will it be to adapt fluff from ED3 books for use in a Pf ED game? It sounds like you've accepted the PDF ED and ED3 are actively different worlds, but are they clode enough for an experienced GM to use material designed for one to run games in the other?
Once we have the Pf ED book, how hard will it be to adapt fluff from ED3 books for use in a Pf ED game? It sounds like you've accepted the PDF ED and ED3 are actively different worlds, but are they clode enough for an experienced GM to use material designed for one to run games in the other?
The content/metaplot won't diverge much, so you will be able to use ED3 material with no trouble. Most ED3 material, however, will eventually find its way into the Pathfinder & Savage Worlds game lines, too.
Do you have any plans or considerations for translations? In Poland Earthdawn was quite popular and Savage Worlds seem to be popular now. *hint-hint*
Hiya,
Do you have any plans or considerations for translations? In Poland Earthdawn was quite popular and Savage Worlds seem to be popular now. *hint-hint*
No, sorry. Product translations and sub-licenses aren't on our radar at this time.
Kind regards, James
Looks interesting, but since the publisher's site or Paypal payment system doesn't like my address, I'll not be pre-ordering.
Looks interesting, but since the publisher's site or Paypal payment system doesn't like my address, I'll not be pre-ordering.
Hi Paul,
If you can send me an email (james@redbrickllc.com or you can use the Contact Us link on our RedBrick Shop) and include a description of the problem you are having (either entering your address in the registration process, or Paypal having fun with your address -- note: it needs to match the address recorded with your bank or with Paypal), then we can probably help.
Kind regards, James
I think the issue is that State is a required field in the address info. Since I don't live in the US, and don't live in a state for postal address purposes, it's throwing a fit at me filling in the field with 'n/a', which works at every other site I've done business with. Or, to be more accurate, since the Redbrick site itself accepts that, and Paypal accepts the same for other businesses, I suspect there's something screwy in the interface between the two.
It's not worth the hassle to me to keep on trying. It'll be available on Drivethru eventually, and maybe I'll get it then.
Edit: And yes, I have checked the address is accurate other than that issue with the 'State' field.
I think the issue is that State is a required field in the address info. Since I don't live in the US, and don't live in a state for postal address purposes, it's throwing a fit at me filling in the field with 'n/a', which works at every other site I've done business with. Or, to be more accurate, since the Redbrick site itself accepts that, and Paypal accepts the same for other businesses, I suspect there's something screwy in the interface between the two.
It's not worth the hassle to me to keep on trying. It'll be available on Drivethru eventually, and maybe I'll get it then.
Edit: And yes, I have checked the address is accurate other than that issue with the 'State' field.
Ah! I think you got caught by the change we made to allow for dropdown states (I'm from New Zealand as well, by the way ... just some trivia). They can (and should be blank) if you don't have a State for your Country of Residence. It's also possible the interface doesn't like the "/" character in "n/a" (people have NA in this field and it works fine for them).
I've removed the "n/a" in your shop registration for State and that should hopefully fix the problem!
If not, as indicated above, please drop me an email or use the Contact Us form on the site. That way I can help you directly instead of messing around on forums. :)
The books will appear on OneBookShelf, but they will be at full price (and the shipping may be more expensive), so it's worth getting registered. Also we will be making products available from our Online Store that you won't be able to get anywhere else, in the future.
Again, sorry for the nuisance factor. And I appreciate you taking the time to describe your problem so that we can answer it with a solution.
Kind regards, James
Hank,
What about the Cathay stuff, are you redoing it for the ED SW and PF editions?
Hi Xaaon
What about the Cathay stuff, are you redoing it for the ED SW and PF editions?
It's in the production schedule for after the Skypoint & Vivane Campaign Setting. The order for campaign settings goes: Parlainth, Skypoint & Vivane, Cathay. It's a bit of a wait, however. 2014 for Cathay at time of writing (though where we can bring products forward in the schedule, we will do so).
Kind regards, James
Hank,
What about the Cathay stuff, are you redoing it for the ED SW and PF editions?
What James said! And I'm also working on my third Cathay novel to finish up the trilogy, but that might also be a while, since I'm so busy with this!
I think the issue is that State is a required field in the address info. Since I don't live in the US, and don't live in a state for postal address purposes, it's throwing a fit at me filling in the field with 'n/a', which works at every other site I've done business with. Or, to be more accurate, since the Redbrick site itself accepts that, and Paypal accepts the same for other businesses, I suspect there's something screwy in the interface between the two.
It's not worth the hassle to me to keep on trying. It'll be available on Drivethru eventually, and maybe I'll get it then.
Edit: And yes, I have checked the address is accurate other than that issue with the 'State' field.
Yeah, that's a pain in the ass--sorry for the hassle! But like James said, it's a good deal right now!
Thanks for the help attempts guys. I still can't get it to work, but I've sent you everything relevant I can think of via the contact options on your site. Best to work through that rather than clutter up this thread any more. Thanks again.
Thanks for the help attempts guys. I still can't get it to work, but I've sent you everything relevant I can think of via the contact options on your site. Best to work through that rather than clutter up this thread any more. Thanks again.
Thanks Paul! We appreciate your patience as we navigate some of the quirks of online transaction processing. We have a ticket open with Paypal to look into this and hope to get an answer soon.
Just posted this to our News Announcements:
An update on the Earthdawn Savage Worlds and Pathfinder PDFs for those who have (or plan to take advantage of) pre-orders.
We are in the last stages of finishing these up and will upload them as soon as they have been checked (just some last-minute feedback and Indexes to go, but the latter is a time-consuming and soul-destroying task, albeit an important one). At this stage, the PDFs will not be available until Sunday, April 1 (expectation-management), but if we get a solid day of work in today, they might still be on for a late night March 31 release. Cross your fingers and toes now!
As soon as they are uploaded and enabled, those who have ordered will see a link appear in your order from our RedBrick Shop, allowing you to download your file.
We will send an email out to those who have ordered letting you know, but posting this announcement here for now.
Thank you all for your patience and your support. The pre-order thing is new for us and we have been overwhelmed by the response to date! Special thanks to those customers who suffered through some "teething problems" -- we really appreciate your feedback and look forward to streamlining things more over the next few months and beyond.
Back to the studio...
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...As soon as they are uploaded and enabled, those who have ordered will see a link appear in your order from our RedBrick Shop, allowing you to download your file....
Not quite sure what you mean by "will see a link appear in your order". Do we log in to RedBrick and it will be in the shop or my account areas of the website or will we be sent a email with a download link.
Hiya,
Not quite sure what you mean by "will see a link appear in your order". Do we log in to RedBrick and it will be in the shop or my account areas of the website or will we be sent a email with a download link.
Kinda like with Paizo, here. When you login to our shop and look at your orders, you will see that there will be a link for you to download the PDF. But I'll email that info out to you.
The link is "disabled" (hidden) until the PDF is uploaded and activated, then it's available for you to grab a copy.
Don't worry; it will all make sense soon... :)
This is just so much win. Earthdawn was my first campaign world EVER. I played with a regular group for more than two or three years on end and loved every minute of it.
I even wrote up my own versions of t'skrang for use in a D&D-module once back in the day.
Good times! :-D
Today's the day. Any idea what time it might be available?
This evening, sorry. I'm just about done with the Savage Worlds book, then on to the Pathfinder. Apologies for this delay; I hoped that I would get the time to deal to the Indexes during the week, but "real life" work commitments ate into my RedBrick time (we all have jobs and families; this isn't a full-time gig for any of us).
Got to bed around 4am; got my 6 hours of sleep, so back to fray!
No worries man. I just wanted to have an idea of when I should check.
I'm excited to get my hands on the final PDF, too. Until then I'll get back to work developing the first Parlainth Adventure Campaign... (which I'm pretty excited about. The author, Katherine Fang, turned in an awesome draft).
No worries man. I just wanted to have an idea of when I should check.
I got close, then we had some fun and games wrestling the shop database into shape to retrofit Downloads into existing orders. Update here:
http://redbrickllc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=390
The Pathfinder PDF placeholder will be updated with the real thing tomorrow evening. It's almost ready to roll, but I need to grab some sleep and I have work tomorrow (day).
We will be using placeholders in the future to ensure that we don't have to hack orders to insert download links.
So many lessons learned from this exercise. Thank you all for your patience and support as we roll through each unanticipated surprise.
No worries man. I just wanted to have an idea of when I should check.I got close, then we had some fun and games wrestling the shop database into shape to retrofit Downloads into existing orders. Update here:
http://redbrickllc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=390
The Pathfinder PDF placeholder will be updated with the real thing tomorrow evening. It's almost ready to roll, but I need to grab some sleep and I have work tomorrow (day).
We will be using placeholders in the future to ensure that we don't have to hack orders to insert download links.
So many lessons learned from this exercise. Thank you all for your patience and support as we roll through each unanticipated surprise.
Will you have the PDF available through the Paizo Store as well?