One, why are there four of these threads.
Two, probably - though I am not sure what that gains you.
You are already using Crafting for anything that needs Medicine in the first place. So ... what does Expert Medicine give you? Other than a checkmark in two more boxes on your character sheet.
If anything, this is actually a bit of a detriment interaction. Normally if you take Medic dedication at level 2, the feat will increase the proficiency of the skill you are actually using for Treat Wounds and Battle Medicine.
It would be better if Chirurgeon also had a rule clause to the effect of increasing your Crafting proficiency if something would specifically increase your Medicine proficiency.
sorry about the four copies I don't know what happened.
mostly help with pre and post presidency
like do it work the same way with Golden League Xun
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if I use the new Chirurgeon rules to take the Medic archetype dedication feat while untrained in medicine do I then go directly to expert?
From strict rule reading, yes, you suddenly become Expert in Medicine despite having never paid for the Trained Proficiency.
I'm not sure it's that much of a big deal anyway, grabbing a skill proficiency for free won't imbalance the game.
I'd talk to your GM. It certainly won't break anything to have Medic Dedication give a Chirurgeon Expert Crafting instead of Expert Medicine. (Of course, if you want Expert Medicine on a Chirurgeon instead, you might just want to leave it alone, I dunno.)
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I'm not sure it's that much of a big deal anyway, grabbing a skill proficiency for free won't imbalance the game.
I'm thinking it is even less of a deal since you will literally never use your Medicine skill.
I suppose it is still an option to do so. And if somehow you built a Chirurgeon with an Intelligence score low enough or a Wisdom skill high enough you might even be up a point or two on the bonus by using Expert Medicine instead of Trained Crafting. ... Which is why it would be nice if Chirurgeon increased your Crafting proficiency any time something else increases Medicine proficiency.
i have no idea why this would be considered a downgrade
I think the notion is that it's a downgrade in the sense that Medic Dedication is giving you Expert in a skill you will never use.
It's not a huge deal, but it effectively means the dedication feat gives them less than it does other classes.
i have no idea why this would be considered a downgradeI think the notion is that it's a downgrade in the sense that Medic Dedication is giving you Expert in a skill you will never use.
It's not a huge deal, but it effectively means the dedication feat gives them less than it does other classes.
Especially when you go in with trained craft but get expert medicine as your bump: you have the option of using a lower skill proficiency with a higher stat, or a lower stat with a higher proficiency when those starting with medicine get both the higher stat and the higher proficiency.
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Exactly. A level 2 Cleric with +4 WIS taking Medic archetype is going to get +4 for expert proficiency and +4 WIS bonus. So level +8 in total.
A level 2 Chirurgeon with +4 INT and +1 WIS (can't fully dump your Will save) is going to either get +2 trained Crafting proficiency and +4 INT or +4 expert Medicine proficiency and +1 WIS. Either level +6 or level +5.
It isn't a big deal. The Alchemist hasn't really lost anything. Most won't get expert Crafting until after level 2 anyway. And Chirurgeon Medic hasn't lost much for very long - they are likely to be boosting their Crafting proficiency later anyway.
But it is a strange feels bad moment interaction.
I'm also mildly amused that the original post seems to have gone away.