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How long does a spell component last before it needs to be replaced or refilled?


darth_borehd wrote:
How long does a spell component last before it needs to be replaced or refilled?

Forever.

Reason being, nobody wants to track guano.


darth_borehd wrote:
How long does a spell component last before it needs to be replaced or refilled?

It's good forever. Keeping it full and up to date is one of those things that happens in the background when you aren't looking. Assume that you are harvesting bits, collecting rare things, swapping them with other casters, etc. Some GMs keep closer track, or highlight specific bits that need to be tracked (dragon scales in a game I'm in) but the core rules don't require that level of detail.


I was always under the impression you were supposed to track exact quantieis. ie inntheory the wizard should be able to run out of bat guano.

however in practice our group only ever tracks things with expressed values. like diamond dust.

Dark Archive

PFSRD says: "Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don't bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch."

Liberty's Edge

Maybe if you never ever faced another spellcaster I could see running out, but honestly you're going to bump heads with another wizard from time to time and probably just take HIS pouch.


Nope, you're not supposed to track those things. Honestly, just ignoring negligible costs won't change much. Every now and then it'll make a difference, but not usually.

Liberty's Edge

Unless you are a super hardcore GM, then it never needs replacing. It will supply all spellcasting needs for components under 1g. If you want a realistic (aka tedious for the player), then you have a static list of components that come with the pouch and how many and how much of each will fit before you need a second pouch.

Silver Crusade

Get 2 and keep one of them in an airtight container, just in case. I have never tested it, but in theory you could stick the usual components to the inside of your glove an always have them ready....avoid prepairing fireball^^


It sounds like without tracking contents and without it running out that Eschew Materials is a worthless feat.


Hardly. A wizard is screwed if he loses his only spell-component pouch. A lot of spells are suddenly lost, and he actually has to look up every spell he wants to cast to see if it has a material component.

Dark Archive

darth_borehd wrote:
It sounds like without tracking contents and without it running out that Eschew Materials is a worthless feat.

Until the BBEG steals or sunders their pouch.

How many spells that you've prepared have no material component? Not many I'd wager.

Sovereign Court

And don't forget that it's hard to get at your component pouch without opposable thumbs. Unless you burn a feat, wizards can't cast much while they're in Form of the Dragon or some other such spell.


darth_borehd wrote:

It sounds like without tracking contents and without it running out that Eschew Materials is a worthless feat.

Bad things that can happen where Eschew Materials is handy and solves most of them:

-Someone Sundering your Spell Component pouch.
-AoE damage spells that do do enough elemental damage to set fire/destroy your spell component pouch.
-A rogue using the steal maneuver to steal your spell component pouch.
-Being grappled and not having the proper components in hand.
-Being captured by a hostile force and having your gear taken from you.
-Polymorphing into a creature that can't use your spell component pouch.

Like a clerics holy symbol a spell component pouch is a very convenient target to potentially shut down or hamper a caster. It's usually underpowered for the cost of a feat, but a sorcerer picking it up for free is nice and there are worse feats out there to choose from.

Some GMs are hesitant to target a prepared arcane caster's preparation method (spell-book, formula book, witch's familiar) as that is usually too damning and particularly mean, but a spell component pouch especially if the caster doesn't have a back up one available is typically more along the lines of fair game.

Dark Archive

Eschew materials is also needed if you turn into, for example, a fire elemental and still want to cast spells. (Bat guano doesn't survive burning very well)


The spell component pouch is all well and good, up until the point where the 3rd level wizard with the Hideous Laughter spell starts pulling out little tarts to eat when he's bored or hungry.

My wizard is a flamboyant little gay boy. He likes his tarts and quiches.


I had a DM that made me keep track of such things. It lasted two sessions since it made me waste real time every game day collecting materials.

It is not worth the tracking effort.


Throwing out an occasional "I'm shopping for components" while in town or " I keep an eye out for potential ingredients" while traveling may appease potentially hardcore GMs. Spend a gold piece or two occasionally; even put a point into profession (herbalist). Doesn't really hurt and may add a bit of the verisimilitude they're looking for.

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