Dex to Damage

[Thefurmonger]

Hey all,

So i'm building a dex based fighter (actually Alchemist, but thats not the point)

Back in 3.5 there were several ways to get Dex to damage, how do I do it in Pathfinder?

Anything is fair game, dips, feats, items, whatever.

[blackbloodtroll]

Dervish Dancer feat, and the Agile weapon property.

[ShadowcatX]

Black blood troll is right, those are the only two ways. It should be noted that dervish dancer only applies to a scimitar.

[Thefurmonger]

Perfect, Agile it is.

Thank you.

[DeivonDrago]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Dervish Dancer feat, and the Agile weapon property.

I believe the feat is called Dervish Dance (from the Inner Sea guide). Dervish Dancer is a bard archetype from UC.

Dervish Dance is limiting in terms of weapon choice.

+1 to Agile weapons - they are great (expensive at lower levels though).

[Callarek]

Don't forget to consider Piranha Strike for the Dex version of Power Attack.

[Count Vasquez]

Note: these are all not core material...

I personally disdain the idea of dex to hit and/or damage as dex would be a much too powerful stat. I wait for the first dex-based caster class, though.

:-(

Weapon Finesse (Rapier, Light Weapon) is acceptable IF NOT for a dervish "I can wield a Scimitar, what noone else can!" dance feat.

[Hyla]

Count Vasquez wrote:

Note: these are all not core material...

I personally disdain the idea of dex to hit and/or damage as dex would be a much too powerful stat. I wait for the first dex-based caster class, though.

:-(

Weapon Finesse (Rapier, Light Weapon) is acceptable IF NOT for a dervish "I can wield a Scimitar, what noone else can!" dance feat.

To replace STR with DEX you need:

Weapon finesse
Dervish dance
Agile Maneuvers
Piranha Strike

And you have to use a scimtar one-handed with nothing in your off hand.

I do not think that this makes DEX too powerful. You give up four feats and still are at a disadvantage compared to two-handed, two-weapon or sword & board.

[oneplus999]

Yeah of course check w/ DM for what is legit material. My group's rule is "anything published by Paizo", and that means the Agile enhancement is legit, as it is from the PFS Field Guide. Dervish Dance is from UC, also from Paizo. There is nothing in Core or APG that allows it though, AFAIK.

Note that Agile requires finesse and a finessable weapon, and if you are starting a low level campaign or a low magic campaign, it will hurt for many many levels.

Hmm did Dervish Dance change? Or maybe I'm thinking of 3.5 version, it used to be on a standard action attack only, but it looks like the UC version would allow full attacks, so its not quite so terrible.

Concerning balance... it did strike me as a bit op at first, but I think it works out due to some pretty significant limitations. Requiring a feat AND an enhancement means that you are limited to finessable weapons that you have spent at least 8k on. So while str melee'ers can pick up various weapons for slashing, piercing, bludgeoning, reach, or whatever, the dex based person needs those weapons with +2 enhancements before he can properly use them. It might break down at higher levels where 8k is nothing, but at least for lower levels it works out I think. Of course, this was made for PFS which I think only plays to level 12? So it might make sense for DMs to outlaw this in games that are going much higher than 12.

[oneplus999]

Hyla wrote:

To replace STR with DEX you need:

Weapon finesse
Dervish dance
Agile Maneuvers
Piranha Strike

And you have to use a scimtar one-handed with nothing in your off hand.

I do not think that this makes DEX too powerful. You give up four feats and still are at a disadvantage compared to two-handed, two-weapon or sword & board.

Huh? No you don't... just finesse and an appropriate weapon with the appropriate enhancement OR finesse+dervish dance and a scimitar with no offhand. So the cost is (1 feat and some money) or (2 feats and 2 skill ranks and your shield/oh).

Agile maneuvers is unnecessary as long as you are doing CMs that can be done with your finessable weapon FAQ. Prianha Strike is obviously not "needed".

[Hyla]

oneplus999 wrote:

Huh? No you don't... just finesse and an appropriate weapon with the appropriate enhancement OR finesse+dervish dance and a scimitar with no offhand. So the cost is (1 feat and some money) or (2 feats and 2 skill ranks and your shield/oh).

Agile maneuvers is unnecessary as long as you are doing CMs that can be done with your finessable weapon FAQ. Prianha Strike is obviously not "needed".

Right, I should not have listed piranha strike, since power attack is a feat, too.

And I did not know about the combat maneuver FAQ.

I am not sure I like the agile enchantment. The fact that it does not add 1.5x Dex with a THW helps a bit too keep it in line though.

[Thefurmonger]

Thanks everyone.

I will be useing Weapon Finesse And a Amulet of mighty fists (Agile)

I may pick up P.Strike later on.

[Skerek]

Hyla wrote:

To replace STR with DEX you need:

Weapon finesse
Dervish dance
Agile Maneuvers
Piranha Strike

just to clarify piranha strike doesn't work with a scimitar