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A small sized PC, using a Medium sized light simple weapon, in this case a a dagger (assuming he/she is proficient in such weapon) would incur a -2 attack penalty for size difference, correct?
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder.
A dagger that is made to be used by a medium sized creature would incur a -2 in this case.
A small sized PC, using a Medium sized light simple weapon, in this case a a dagger (assuming he/she is proficient in such weapon) would incur a -2 attack penalty for size difference, correct?
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder.
Correct. Also that small PC would treat the medium sized dagger as a one handed weapon, not a light weapon, in addition to the -2 for the weapons not being made for his size race.
Thank you for the prompt clarification!
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Really? It's a bigger wieldy size AND you take the penalty? Wow, my group's always done it as increased wieldiness up to two-handed and then the sizes after that causes penalties all the way back since 3.5. (Yeah, I know, SO long ago, lol.) Seriously? Both of them? Wow. And it's only a -2 now? Just more proof that I have to read all of the Pathfinder Core to find all the little differences in it.
On the plus side, the -2 makes my halfling Titan Mauler even more awesome! :)
Ah, but anything shifting to 'above two handed' does not give a penalty in PF; the weapon is flat-out unusable.
Midnight Angel, does that mean the a human Titan Mauler can't use a gargantuan-sized greatsword at 18th level? :(
Midnight Angel, does that mean the a human Titan Mauler can't use a gargantuan-sized greatsword at 18th level? :(
No he can't. That was a common misconception with the class, but it does not allow you to break that rule.
Midnight Angel, does that mean the a human Titan Mauler can't use a gargantuan-sized greatsword at 18th level? :(No he can't. That was a common misconception with the class, but it does not allow you to break that rule.
Can you give a reference for that?
I will look it up. I was in that thread. I will post the link when I find it.
Also a somewhat related FAQ:
"No. Jotungrip allows the titan mauler to use two-handed melee weapons in one hand, but only if the weapon is appropriately sized for the character. The massive weapon class feature allows her to use oversized weapons with decreased penalty, but does not allow her to use two-handed weapons of that size in one hand.
Update Page 30, in the titan mauler archetype, in the Jotungrip class feature, in the first sentence, insert the word "melee" between "two-handed" and "weapon."
—Stephen Radney-MacFarland, 10/13/11"
The massive weapon class feature allows her to use oversized weapons with decreased penalty
So, how much oversized? Since by 18th level the Titan Mauler's class feature eats 6 of the penalty, that tells me a human could use a gargantuan greatsword with two hands. It would be funny to watch, but possible.
Innocent question: Jotungrip allows me to use a medium greatsword one-handed.
What about, say, a large longsword? The weapon is two-handed for me... but if I read the rules verbatim, I am out of luck using it one-handed, as it is not 'designed for my size'...
However i think somewhere the Designer of the "Titan Mauler gave his thoughts on the class and if your DM or your Dm is open to looking at it makes the class function much better.
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As written, the Titan Mauler is useless. It cannot break the size limitation when wielding weapons and thus a medium creature may at best get a sucky 2d6 or 2d8 weapon, even by wielding humongous daggers.
On this document you can find a revisited and fully playable version, PLUS a link to the developer's comments about how the class should be handled. Pick your favorite !
Hope it helps.
Thanks Maxx
A small sized PC, using a Medium sized light simple weapon, in this case a a dagger (assuming he/she is proficient in such weapon) would incur a -2 attack penalty for size difference, correct?
Do I still get the Weapon Finesse in that case and does it still count as dagger proficiency wise?
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Do I still get the Weapon Finesse in that case and does it still count as dagger proficiency wise?A small sized PC, using a Medium sized light simple weapon, in this case a a dagger (assuming he/she is proficient in such weapon) would incur a -2 attack penalty for size difference, correct?
It counts as a dagger for proficiency. It doesn't qualify for Weapon Finesse, as it's not a light weapon and doesn't have text allowing you to use Weapon Finesse regardless.
It doesn't qualify for Weapon Finesse, as it's not a light weapon...
I asked because short sword is light weapon and it's bigger than dagger [and it can be used with finesse], so I presumed that a medium sized dagger would be something similar to short sword for small character. Or not?
Edit: But it's not well balanced so it probably couldn't be used with finesse.
But a large dagger would still be a dagger for the knifemaster archetype. Or the river rat trait. Or weapon focus or weapon specialization.
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Benefit: With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls.
A medium creature using a small longsword counts it as a light weapon, but may not use it with Weapon Finesse as it is not made for his size category.
Poor Bilbo and Frodo with a constant -2 penalty to hit for using an elven dagger.
It being magic balanced out at least a part of the penalty.
Not being a light weapon and thus not being finessable was the bigger problem. ;)
Poor Bilbo and Frodo with a constant -2 penalty to hit for using an elven dagger.It being magic balanced out at least a part of the penalty.
Not being a light weapon and thus not being finessable was the bigger problem. ;)
Maybe they are using 3e sizing rules. ;D