Did it ever occur to anyone to give their mount a mount?

[deanruel]

So I was running some theoretical build work and it suddenly dawned on me that there's nothing stopping you from mounting a creature that would then mount a creature. So my thought process goes as follows

Step 1; Play a Summoner, get to high level
Step 2; Make your Eidolon a huge quadruped mount with lots of arms, arm it with 2 Lances (cause on a mount you can use a lance one handed), tons of claw attacks, and both the Grab and Rake special ability.
Step 3; Get a Roc, and mount your Eidolon onto it (It has max ranks in ride and handle animal, so it can probably ride better than you can)
Step 4; Murdertown???

Your pouncing, hasted Eidolon should get 7 Lance attacks on the charge, each dealing about 3d6+150 (Cause your Eidolon took Spirited Charge and maxed it's strength of course) and its to hit can be so high even its tertiary attacks could hit a Balor on a 1.

Then you would have your creature makes 6 claw attacks or so, each one fully power attacked (Cause obviously you're full power attacking), and EVERY time you hit (which is always) you get to make a grapple check which if you win (which is always cause you're huge and have a strength of 50) you generate two ADDITIONAL "Rake" attacks which are virtually identical to your claw attacks.

Then you rend.

All in all the damage a mounted (mounted) Eidolon can deal looks like it's in the thousands. And then of course YOU get to go.

Anyone ever think about doing this before?

[Jak the Looney Alchemist]

Sounds like the weirdest cartoon character ever. Okay probably not, but still the oddest one I've heard of.

[Vendis]

This is the worst... You didn't even do it right, though. A cohort synthesist mount would be superior to the roc. Though you have to remember the size requirement bit.

It's really late, and I didn't spend a whole lot of time looking it up, but here is some relevant text from the Combat section on the PRD:

Quote:

If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).

Note that the creature being mounted is gaining the charging condition - the creature doing the mounting is merely having the same bonuses and penalties from a charge. It's kinda subtle, but there is a difference. So I don't think the condition itself is passed on past the first mounted creature (second to the bottom).

I could be wrong, and I don't see a whole lot of GMs allowing a mounted mount, even if there aren't rules explicitly against it, but man, that's pretty crazy.

[Liam Warner]

Seems the same theory behind my have your cohort get a chohort hmmm a PC mounted on a cohort/mount/eidalon mounted on a cohort/mount backed by a small army.

[FuelDrop]

Vendis wrote:

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If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).

[ruleslawyer]ok, i'm going to ask this one: did they errata it, or do lances only deal double damage when you're mounted ON A HORSE?!? cos in that case you'll need a massive horse indeed to make this work. and AM BARBARIAN may be in trouble as well.[/ruleslawyer]

provided the above isn't an issue, why bother with mounting the eidolon yourself? have a levitate spell on a plank of wood, some rope and a three-foot length of wood, then skysurf behind while whooping loudly! far more fun ;)

[Atarlost]

What? You've never seen a permanencied reduce personed halfling urban barbarian with ferocious mount and greater ferocious mount pigybacking on a human sohei riding a half elf pouncing kitty druid?

Greater ferocious mount transfers constantly active rage powers on the mount and is a constantly active rage power making it recursive. Then there are the sohei benefits to the druid.

Charge, the druid gets pounce and the quarterling gets a hit with his lance, which still has 5' reach. It's not much, but he's giving the druid and sohei both bonus strength and using his ride check to protect the sohei. The Sohei took his full attack with a mighty composite bow on the way in.

[Halfling Barbarian]

Quote:

Benefit: A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.

The wording under mounted charge is wonky, but the lance description clears it up.

[FuelDrop]

Halfling Barbarian wrote:

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Benefit: A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.

The wording under mounted charge is wonky, but the lance description clears it up.

cool. thanks for that.

[deanruel]

Vendis wrote:

This is the worst... You didn't even do it right, though. A cohort synthesist mount would be superior to the roc. Though you have to remember the size requirement bit.

It's really late, and I didn't spend a whole lot of time looking it up, but here is some relevant text from the Combat section on the PRD:

Quote:

If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).

Note that the creature being mounted is gaining the charging condition - the creature doing the mounting is merely having the same bonuses and penalties from a charge. It's kinda subtle, but there is a difference. So I don't think the condition itself is passed on past the first mounted creature (second to the bottom).

I could be wrong, and I don't see a whole lot of GMs allowing a mounted mount, even if there aren't rules explicitly against it, but man, that's pretty crazy.

While I absolutely understand your point, the whole "Your mount is charging not you" concept has been brought up in numerous threads. The consensus seems to be that this is not the case. While there is no official ruling on this (and I doubt there ever will be as basically the entire mounted combat section is still just copy pasted from 3.0) in each thread I've seen this argued the "You ARE charging while charging on a mount" camp has solidly been able to bring more evidence to bear. So that's what I'm assuming is correct.

And you're right. A cohort mount would be even more insane if leadership is allowed.

[Malfus]

I seem to recall seeing an idea for a paladin acquiring a mount who picked levels in paladin to also acquire a mount, who in turn did the same.

[rpgsavant]

Yo yo yo dog I heard you like mounts so I put a mount on your mount. I'm getting visions of the pygmies from WoW: Cataclysm riding on each others shoulders. I just could NOT take that seriously.

[BigNorseWolf]

So.. is it turtles all the way down?

[Shizzle69]

Atarlost wrote:

What? You've never seen a permanencied reduce personed halfling urban barbarian with ferocious mount and greater ferocious mount pigybacking on a human sohei riding a half elf pouncing kitty druid?

Greater ferocious mount transfers constantly active rage powers on the mount and is a constantly active rage power making it recursive. Then there are the sohei benefits to the druid.

Charge, the druid gets pounce and the quarterling gets a hit with his lance, which still has 5' reach. It's not much, but he's giving the druid and sohei both bonus strength and using his ride check to protect the sohei. The Sohei took his full attack with a mighty composite bow on the way in.

Voltron Assemble? The Sohei needs to wield a gnome and a goblin as improvised weapons.