So im making a level 4 bard, and im min maxing perform:oratory and versatile performance so that I can be the groups talker.
So anyway my question is , with only needing a roll of 5 to get a Extraordinary performance DC 30 (see below), is there anything AFTER that? Like.. godly performance?
So far I have:
+5 Cha
+2 Savant(Trait)
+3 Skill focus feat
+2 prodigy feat
+1 Voice of the Sibyl feat
+4 Ranks
+3 trained class skill
+3 circlet of persuasion(competence)
+2 masterwork entertainers outfit (circumstance, GM ruled)
=+25
Bump. This cant be a hard one.
Not in the rules.
Perhaps the GM decides your bard has caught attention from other planes or elsewhere and gets kidnapped to the court of a mighty elemantary prince or archdevil for entertainment purposes ...
Not in the rules.
Perhaps the GM decides your bard has caught attention from other planes or elsewhere and gets kidnapped to the court of a mighty elemantary prince or archdevil for entertainment purposes ...
I'd be ALL for that! Imagine the campaign that would be XD
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Of course, the down side of putting everything into one particular skill is that you have nothing left to put into anything else. What exactly does this character do in combat?
If you're using point spend to assign stats, and you've got a +5 cha bonus, then you obviously won't have many points left to put elsewhere. Going pure spellcaster as a bard just isn't as good as with other types of arcane spellcasters, due to the limitations of the class.
You've got 3 feats invested in this skill at level 4, which means you have to be human, and have put all your feats into this. You've spent money on the circlet of persuasion, which I don't know the cost for, but I have to assume it'll eat up a good chunk of change for a level 4.
While you may be a GREAT performer with this character, I'm just not a fan of one trick ponies, especially when the one trick isn't even useful in combat.
Of course, the down side of putting everything into one particular skill is that you have nothing left to put into anything else. What exactly does this character do in combat?
If you're using point spend to assign stats, and you've got a +5 cha bonus, then you obviously won't have many points left to put elsewhere. Going pure spellcaster as a bard just isn't as good as with other types of arcane spellcasters, due to the limitations of the class.
You've got 3 feats invested in this skill at level 4, which means you have to be human, and have put all your feats into this. You've spent money on the circlet of persuasion, which I don't know the cost for, but I have to assume it'll eat up a good chunk of change for a level 4.
While you may be a GREAT performer with this character, I'm just not a fan of one trick ponies, especially when the one trick isn't even useful in combat.
We have plenty of OGRE SMASH in our group. And please remember D&D isn't just about combat, roleplaying is supposed to be a huge part of it, which is why I wanted the diplomacy/sense motive/perform.
Sure I suck at combat, But ill shine when we have to do any sort of talking.
Right. There might be a bit overdoing, but if thats his concept its ok.
Its less minmax and more roleplaying.
I rolled up a bard too in case my ninja dies (not so unlikely), but will follow more on treantmonks controller type, using a whip, because i like whips. To get more feats i often crossclass to lore warden fighter archetype, combat expertise for free without INT requirement at 2. level.
The thing is, i like the voice of the sybill feat too or at least the idea behind it.
Its nice to play a brad that is a great performer, maybe singer or something and then can use his voice for a lot of voice spells and effects. Or alternatively his instrument.
Unfortunately that concept gets a bit reigned in by rules, beginning with versatile performance being a little bit restrictive and having double effects with some skills, ending with the spell list.
It would be nice if this stuff could be put together a bit more freely, especially for flavor reasons.
Its less minmax and more roleplaying.
Nonsense, he completely min-maxed. The only reason you want to call it roleplaying is because he didn't min-max combat. Note that I find nothing wrong with optimizing any concept you like, I just find it silly when people claim to dislike min-maxing when they really just dislike combat-whores.
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Well, I was commenting more on being a one trick pony than on min/maxing. I think the two generally go hand in hand, though. When you min/max, you frequently end up being a one trick pony in your maxed area.
With a bard, though, you've always got healing and other magic to fall back on as a secondary role. Even if you suck at damage dealing in combat, you can start a bardic performance, toss a spell or two (Grease, Gallant Inspiration, etc), and run around healing people, and you'll still be at least semi-useful. You just won't be quite as good a healer as a cleric or quite as good a spellcaster as the primary spellcasting classes.
He will have so much diplomacy, his flatulence will get people to do what he wants.
The gods transport you to Valhalla wherein you must partake in a sing-off against Shelyn
The gods transport you to Valhalla wherein you must partake in a sing-off against ShelynI can see it now: Golarian Idol.
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He will have so much diplomacy, his flatulence will get people to do what he wants.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing!
The only thing that ruined it is you assumed im male T_T.