Inquisitor & Point Blank Master?


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Is there any way for an Inquisitor to qualify for the Point Blank Master feat without multi-classing? Feats, prestige classes, archetypes, magic items, races, traits, anything?


From Inner Sea Magic: Divine Scion PrC. You pick up Weapon Specialization for the weapon of your deity. Then you can qualify for PBM.


Actually it doesn't say that you can get those feats only for your deity's weapon

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Wouldn't matter, it's an Inquisitor of Erastil, so Longbow is her favored weapon anyways. Wasn't proficient with it otherwise.

So, with a 9th level char, I'd need to go Inq6/DivSc3 to get PBM. Hmm...


CrackedOzy wrote:
Wouldn't matter, it's an Inquisitor of Erastil, so Longbow is her favored weapon anyways. Wasn't proficient with it otherwise.

Why wouldn't any inquisitor be proficient with a longbow regardless of diety?

CrackedOzy wrote:
So, with a 9th level char, I'd need to go Inq6/DivSc3 to get PBM.

You only need one level of Divine Scion to get the Weapon and Armor Proficiency which allows you to qualify for Weapon Specialization without fighter levels.

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I just thought of something, is there any reason I couldn't just grab one level of Divine Scion at 7th and go back to Inquisitor for 8 & 9? For that matter, the PrC doesn't say anything about needing to stick to the alignment restriction or lose any powers, right?

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Grick wrote:
Why wouldn't any inquisitor be proficient with a longbow regardless of diety?

Yeah, guess I missed that.

Grick wrote:
You only need one level of Divine Scion to get the Weapon and Armor Proficiency which allows you to qualify for Weapon Specialization without fighter levels.

Yep thanks, that was what I was just realizing.


CrackedOzy wrote:
I just thought of something, is there any reason I couldn't just grab one level of Divine Scion at 7th and go back to Inquisitor for 8 & 9? For that matter, the PrC doesn't say anything about needing to stick to the alignment restriction or lose any powers, right?

Yes you can go back to Inquisitor after the 1st level of Divine Scion.

Alignment is a prerequisite to get the PrC, I would assume that once you no longer qualify for a prereq, you lose access to the PrC.

Also, you can actually get it as early as 6th level, if you want.
But since you won't actually get a feat till 7th level to take weapon spec, 7 is good too.

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Novennia Narikopolus wrote:
Alignment is a prerequisite to get the PrC, I would assume that once you no longer qualify for a prereq, you lose access to the PrC.

Access to taking levels in the PrC, but not to the abilities granted by it, correct?

Novennia Narikopolus wrote:

Also, you can actually get it as early as 6th level, if you want.

But since you won't actually get a feat till 7th level to take weapon spec, 7 is good too.

Since I'm building it as a 9th level char, it really doesn't make a difference.

Grand Lodge

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The class does have the requirement of Weapon Focus in your Deities preferred weapon, so if you didn't worship Erastil, you would be taking weapon focus twice, once for LB and once for your deity.

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Galnörag wrote:
The class does have the requirement of Weapon Focus in your Deities preferred weapon, so if you didn't worship Erastil, you would be taking weapon focus twice, once for LB and once for your deity.

Ah, good catch! I had been considered looking at other deities, now I wont. Besides "Old Deadeye" fits the character concept quite nicely. Not sure I get him being LG, but w/e.


CrackedOzy wrote:
Novennia Narikopolus wrote:
Alignment is a prerequisite to get the PrC, I would assume that once you no longer qualify for a prereq, you lose access to the PrC.
Access to taking levels in the PrC, but not to the abilities granted by it, correct?

Well I would say it falls into the same category as prerequisites for feats, which technically are "for taking the feat".

If you lose prerequisites for feats somehow (for example you used a magic item to qualify for it and now lost that) you also lose access to the feat till the requirements are satisfied again.
I would say it's the same with PrC. But I'm not sure if theres an official word on it one way or the other. And in the end it's your GMs call. Why do you plan on violating your alignment?

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Actually I am the GM, just making the character for a newbie player. No, what I had considered is having the char be NG, as LG can sometimes feel restrictive to a new player. Too easy to slip into "Lawful Stupid" behaviors, in my experience.


If you're the GM you can pretty much do what you want. :) Scratch the alignment restriction then, or change it to "one step to the deity" like for clerics.

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I know, but I try to avoid arbitrary changes like that.

Grand Lodge

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I really don't like Old Dead Eye personally, I find him quiet the misogynist, we have a minor in party holy war going on between the Oracle of Life who venerates Sarenrae and the Oracle of Nature (with Cleric Cohort/wife)) who both worship Erastil. The Nature Oracle suggested to my character that maybe my Deity should settle down and spend a little bit more time at the hearth. Out of character it was funny, in character I was on the verge of a flame strike.

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Galnörag wrote:
I really don't like Old Dead Eye personally, I find him quiet the misogynist

Where did you get this from, or is this just due to the Oracle of Nature's behavior?

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Galnörag wrote:
I really don't like Old Dead Eye personally, I find him quiet the misogynist, we have a minor in party holy war going on between the Oracle of Life who venerates Sarenrae and the Oracle of Nature (with Cleric Cohort/wife)) who both worship Erastil. The Nature Oracle suggested to my character that maybe my Deity should settle down and spend a little bit more time at the hearth. Out of character it was funny, in character I was on the verge of a flame strike.

This really made me laugh out loud. If I'd seen it in game, I think I'd have been laughing the rest of the night.


How about a custom Inquisition? Weapon Mastery: The Inquisitor receives Wepon Focus with his deity's favored weapon. Further, the Inquisitor counts as a fighter of half his Inquisitor level for taking fighter feats. It's pretty on par with the Black Powder Inquisition.


Another way to get Point Blank Master is 3 levels of Zen Archer. This works quite well for the Inquisitor but you do lose 3 levels of Inquisitor in exchange you get 6 Bonus feats (Weapon focus bows, Perfect Strike Bows, Unarmed Strike, Point Blank Master and two chosen from a list). You also get Flurry of blows with a bow, get to add your Wisdom bonus to hit instead of dex, Monk AC, and +10 movement. The Flurry of blows with the bow applies -1 to all your attacks, basically Rapid Shot for free with a lesser negative. Seems like pretty decent trade to me if archery is what you want. 4th level gives you Ki, AC and the ability to increase your bow's range by 50 for 1 rnd. On top of that getting Improved Unarmed Strike for as bonus feat allows you to get the Kirin Combat Style which works exceptionally well with the Inquisitor ranged or melee style.

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Randall Newnham wrote:
How about a custom Inquisition?

I avoid making new/custom stuff.

voska66 wrote:
Another way to get Point Blank Master is 3 levels of Zen Archer.

I specifically said I didn't want to multi-class in the OP.

I'm happy with the Divine Scion route, fyi.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber
CrackedOzy wrote:
Galnörag wrote:
I really don't like Old Dead Eye personally, I find him quiet the misogynist
Where did you get this from, or is this just due to the Oracle of Nature's behavior?

There is discussion on it here:

Why is Erastil Sexist - Paizo Forum

The source is the Erastil right up in the KM AP.

Littered through the Inner Sea World Guide, and Faith's of Balance you also get the feel for the rigidity of Erastil. Things like:

Faiths of Purity, page 8, Devotion wrote:
Erastil's faith is essentially all or nothing,. Either you accept his teachings and belong to your Erastil-worshiping community, or you do not...
Faiths of Purity, page 9, Other Faiths wrote:
Your dealings with the faithful of other gods depends largely on your own personality, but they arlways boil down to a quiet sense of the superiority of your faith over theirs. This might manifest in many ways, but the message is typically: You children don't understand what you're doing

It literally says he is paternalistic and traditionalist, but even if it doesn't it reads that way. His domains are Animal, Community, Good and Law, and he sure does mean them.

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