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How many characters do you have to play at each Tier?
I kind of liked the thread that asked how many characters a player has - and while reading the thread about "being prepared" (Things your character should have - healing, a missile weapon, etc.) I thought of something. If you are going to sit down at a table to play and you see 4 other players with basicly the same character you have... what do you do? I pull a different character.
This is why the first thing I say when I sit down is to ask what everyone else is playing. So I can see what the party needs. I used to say "what's the party need?" before I pick what I'm playing. But I kind of get tired of hearing "Play what you want". I want to play what no one else is playing.
Tiers
(Tier 1) = 5 - all unplayed, but ready to start
(Tier 1-5(1-7)) = 5 - (levels 5,5,4,3,2)
(Tier 5-9) = 2 - (both level 5)
(Tier 9-11) = 0 (going to be a while)
(Tier 11+) = 0 (LOL - maybe someday)
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The downside to your system is that while there are plenty of low-tier scenarios, they are finite. you can easily fall into a trap if you're not careful of running out of legal scenarios to play. This happened to some local characters for a while. There were a lot of players that kept starting new PC's before others reached level five. This left a gap in players with some ready for tier 5-9 and many not qualifying. Make it very difficult to schedule scenarios.
I would first encourage everyone to play what you want to play. While the idea of all the core "roles" being filled is nice, I much prefer everyone play what they want even if that means there is not arcane, or healer, or rogue, in the group.
Second, feel free to create as many characters as you want, but don't have more than 2-3 active ones until you get at least one to level five. Then once you have a second level five, get the first one up to level 7. Then, feel free to play more in each tier, trying to be careful not to have any gaps.
YMMV
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The current list of characters played, by level:
Alexander Damocles (LN), Holy Librarian of Abadar Sorcerer of the Arcane 4/Oracle of Lore 1
Jenos Idanian (NG), uncouth scion of a noble house, Rogue 2 / Sorceror 1
Minato Arisato (LG), Invulnerable protector of Allies, Synthesist Summoner 2 / Oracle of Lore 1
Aislyn (CN), She Who Was Altered by the Unknown, Oracle of Heavens 3
Ivy (LN), Child Sorcerer and Mistress of Knowledge, Sorcerer 1
Carindel Golden Eye of Abadar (LN, Cleric 2
Jonathon Rex (TN), Gunslinger 1
The stable of unplayed characters
Kincaid (NG), Barbarian 1
Hong-Tzuh, "The Tin Can With a Plan", Holy Tactician Paladin 1
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The downside to your system is that while there are plenty of low-tier scenarios, they are finite. you can easily fall into a trap if you're not careful of running out of legal scenarios to play. This happened to some local characters for a while. There were a lot of players that kept starting new PC's before others reached level five. This left a gap in players with some ready for tier 5-9 and many not qualifying. Make it very difficult to schedule scenarios.
I would first encourage everyone to play what you want to play. While the idea of all the core "roles" being filled is nice, I much prefer everyone play what they want even if that means there is not arcane, or healer, or rogue, in the group.
Second, feel free to create as many characters as you want, but don't have more than 2-3 active ones until you get at least one to level five. Then once you have a second level five, get the first one up to level 7. Then, feel free to play more in each tier, trying to be careful not to have any gaps.
YMMV
Bob - while I hear you, I am not sure I agree with you. we can debate this on another thread perhaps?
I AM interested in how many different characters you have available to play at each Tier.
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Halvar Dannevirke (Bar 2) Human,Ulfen (Natural Leader Type)
Tor Uldstone (Fighter 6) Dwarf (Older Advisor)
Si'Ethi Mu'Ta'Bao (Cleric 3) Human, Mwangi (Traveller)
Garnthalisbane (Cleric 3, Wiz 2) Human, Cheliaxian (Master of All)
Rosl Thar, Keeper of Endless Sin (Inquisitor of Pharasma 1) Human, Taldane
Grim Nibblets (Fighter 1) Halfling (Freedom Fighter)
Ciarr Osric Wolviston (Cavalier 1) Human, Taldan
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The current list of characters played, by level:
Alexander Damocles (LN), Holy Librarian of Abadar Sorcerer of the Arcane 4/Oracle of Lore 1
Jenos Idanian (NG), uncouth scion of a noble house, Rogue 2 / Sorceror 1
Minato Arisato (LG), Invulnerable protector of Allies, Synthesist Summoner 2 / Oracle of Lore 1
Aislyn (CN), She Who Was Altered by the Unknown, Oracle of Heavens 3
Ivy (LN), Child Sorcerer and Mistress of Knowledge, Sorcerer 1
Carindel Golden Eye of Abadar (LN, Cleric 2
Jonathon Rex (TN), Gunslinger 1The stable of unplayed characters
Kincaid (NG), Barbarian 1
Hong-Tzuh, "The Tin Can With a Plan", Holy Tactician Paladin 1
so Alexander it looks like you have:
(Tier 1) = 2 (or 4?) - some unplayed, but ready to start(Tier 1-5(1-7)) = 7 (levels 5,3,3,3,1,2,1)
(Tier 5-9) = 1 - (level 5)
(Tier 9-11) = 0
(Tier 11+) = 0
correct?
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Halvar Dannevirke (Bar 2) Human,Ulfen (Natural Leader Type)
Tor Uldstone (Fighter 6) Dwarf (Older Advisor)
Si'Ethi Mu'Ta'Bao (Cleric 3) Human, Mwangi (Traveller)
Garnthalisbane (Cleric 3, Wiz 2) Human, Cheliaxian (Master of All)
Rosl Thar, Keeper of Endless Sin (Inquisitor of Pharasma 1) Human, Taldane
Grim Nibblets (Fighter 1) Halfling (Freedom Fighter)
Ciarr Osric Wolviston (Cavalier 1) Human, Taldan
so M. Tyson it looks like you have:
(Tier 1) = 3 - (Two figher types thou - are they different types? one melee one ranged maybe? is one a "face" the other a "snipper")
(Tier 1-5(1-7)) = 6(7) (levels 2,6,3,5,1,1,1)
(Tier 5-9) = 2 - (levels 6,5)
(Tier 9-11) = 0
(Tier 11+) = 0
correct?
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Correct. I wasn't sure if I should use Season 0-2 tiers, or Season 3 tiers.
yeah, I sort of lumped in the 1-5 & 1-7 but used a () to split them? kind of goofy. What I'm looking for is to see how many people end up with something like:
(Tier 1) = 0 -
(Tier 1-5(1-7)) = 2 (levels 1,7)
(Tier 5-9) = 1 - (level 7)
(Tier 9-11) = 1 - (level 11)
(Tier 11+) = 2 - (levels 11,12)
which I have seen. Except the guy didn't really have a level 1.... He just played one character until retirement then started another one.
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I have one at level 6, one at level 3, and one at level 2. As the level 2 is intended to be played exclusively in games where my wife is with me, I intend to soon make a new character (to which I'll apply GM credit for when I run First Steps for my family over Christmas).
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I currently have the following play options:
(Tier 1) = 2 [gunslinger & ninja, both with a single GM credit]
(Tier 1-5(1-7)) = 3(4) [summoner 4, inquisitor 4, & cleric/monk 4 [alchemist 7]]
(Tier 5-9) = 2 [alchemist 7, magus 8]
(Tier 9-11) = 2 [sorcerer 10, rogue/delver 11]
(Tier 11+) = 2 [rogue/delver 11, paladin 12+ (retired)]
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1-2: 1
3-4: 1
4-5: 1 Same one as 3-4
5-6: 1
6-7: 1 Same one as 6-7
7-8: 1
8-9: 1 Same one as 7-8
10-11: 1
For a Total of 5 characters.
I try to play in such a way that I have two characters availible for every scenario. However I only make new characters when the previous 1-2 character leaves that tier, even though I have plenty of ideas.
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Huh? Are you talking levels?
You seem to not be familiar with the level/tier system for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. You do realize that this is not the general Paizo forums, but those specifically dedicated to Organized Play, similar in construction to the RPGA and other game communities?
Perhaps you should visit the PFS SITE and download the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play for a better understanding of this system.
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The only character I've played so far is level 4.
I've created a level 1 character, and I have specific ideas for 2 more, one of which I've already started creating.
I also have a few more ideas in the back of my head for stuff I'd like to try eventually. So I could see myself ending up with a collection of level 1 character sheets filled out and lying around unused. But playing opportunities are a little limited, so some of them really would never get used.
In the long run, I'd like to have a variety of characters at a variety of different levels, trying to space them out maybe 2-3 levels apart. I'm less concerned with having multiple characters playable at the same tier than with being able to play at whatever tier is available for a particular session.
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Tiers:
Tier 1 = Lots, I have a binder (literally) of virgin characters. I also have a small stable of PCs with a single Chronicle.
Tier 1-5 = 8 (1,1,1,1,1,1,3,4)
Tier 3-7 = 2 (3 & 4)
Tier 5-9 = 1 (8)
Tier 7-11 = 2 (8 & 11)
Tier 12 = 0
Current plan is to get that 3rd level PC up to 5th, and switch him into the slow track, since 5th level gets him the keystone feat for his build (Improved Whip Mastery).
Crandall - Barbarian 1 (DPR)
Carlos - Samurai 1 (Mounted Halfling)
Dominic - Rogue 1 (Human, Gang Up)
Murgatroyd - Monk (Zen Archer) 1
Gildebrando - Cleric 1 (Positive Channeler)
Gorbesh - Sorceror 1 (Elemental, Air bloodline)
Bruno - Fighter (Lore Warden) 3 (Knowledge with a whip)
Louis - Gunslinger 4 (Musket)
Kinevon - Fighter (Polearm Master) 8 (Reach Combat Maneuvers)
Callarek - Fighter 9/Cleric 1/Ranger 1 (Archer)
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Jhylas NG Elf Beastmaster LVL 6
Sir Bingham Rustlebottom CN Gnome Cockatrice Cavalier LVL 2
Kash NG Elf Conjurer LVL 2
Xazzax N Half Elf Priest of Nethys LVL 1
"The man with no name CG Human Gunslinger
The "man with no name" has yet to be designed, he will be collecting my GM chronicles until he's amassed enough wealth to buy a decent rifle.
At which point there's gonna be some killin goin on............
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(Tier 1) = 5 or 6 I think, gnome inquisitor, gnome sorceress, gnome ninja, elven heavens oracle, and I think a couple more
(Tier 1-5(1-7)) = 2 maybe 3, Oracle of wind and Bear shaman for sure
(Tier 5-9) = 1 my Dhamphir master summoner
(Tier 9-11) = none
(Tier 11+) = I have 2 lvl 12s. My little lightening sorceress is waiting to play the eyes of ten and my fighter is just plain retired lol, she was fun but certainly a one-trick pony
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Tier 1 = 2 characters; one has 1 chronicle sheet from GM credit, one has nothing. They're a half-elf magus and a dwarven fighter.
Tier 1-5 (1-7) = 3 characters, a level 2 half-orc paladin, a level 3 human cavalier and a level 5 half-orc bard.
Tier 5-9 = 2 characters, the aforementioned bard and a level 9 human ranger.
Tier 9-11 = 2 characters, the aforementioned ranger and a level 10 human fighter.
Tier 11+ = none yet, not planning to let any of my guys get this high for a while.
Grand total of 7 characters, 5 above level 1, 4 actually played (paladin levelled via GM credit.)
If you want a better look, they're all in my profile, with up-to-date figures for their current status.
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Tier 1 = 2 characters; one has 1 chronicle sheet from GM credit, one has nothing. They're a half-elf magus and a dwarven fighter.
Tier 1-5 (1-7) = 3 characters, a level 2 half-orc paladin, a level 3 human cavalier and a level 5 half-orc bard.
Tier 5-9 = 2 characters, the aforementioned bard and a level 9 human ranger.
Tier 9-11 = 2 characters, the aforementioned ranger and a level 10 human fighter.
Tier 11+ = none yet, not planning to let any of my guys get this high for a while.
Grand total of 7 characters, 5 above level 1, 4 actually played (paladin levelled via GM credit.)
If you want a better look, they're all in my profile, with up-to-date figures for their current status.
Realize this is just my opinion - which with a buck can buy you a soda most places.
I like your flexibility here... sort of. As long as they don't put you into a "niche" - for example at Tier 1-5 (1-7) you say "3 characters, a level 2 half-orc paladin, a level 3 human cavalier and a level 5 half-orc bard." does this make you the party face all the time? I would fear that Paladin and cavalier are much alike (but maybe they are VERY different, and I don't know what I'm talking about). Even with this said, your flexibility is better than most of the other posters here.You do seem to be a little fond of the "fighter sub-classes" - but the same could be said of me an arcane casters (normally - thou in PFS I tend to Rogues for some reason).
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1 - Brax the Brutal, half-orc fighter 6
2 - Muammar Gaddafi, human rogue 8, cavalier 2
3 - Kotar Desnar, human cleric of Pharasma 2 (emergency only)
4 - Malador, human inquistor of Asmodeus 2
5 - Busta Capp, dwarf gunslinger 3
6 - Magnus Maximus, ifrit sorcerer 6
hay Bruce - like your spread of characters.
at 1-5 you have a Cleric, an Inquistor, and a gunslinger.
at 5-9 you have a fighter, a rogue/cavalier, and a sorcerer
nice!
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Tiers
(Tier 1) = 0
(Tier 1-5/1-7) = 2 (Paladin 1, Cleric 2, Winter Witch 2, Crossbowman/Sniper 6)
(Tier 5-9) = 2 - Crossbowman/Sniper 6, Summoner 8
(Tier 9-11) = 0 (Summoner should be her post OwlCon)
(Tier 11+) = 0
It should be noted, however, that I have not intent/desire to play the Paladin or the Cleric. The former (Paladin) was made before Heirloom Weapon was errata'd and only for a session of Master of the Fallen Fortress; I have no real designs for him or investments that make me partial to updating his trait. The latter (Cleric) was built on a concept that, in retrospect, would have been better served by Cloistered Cleric and has been set aside to play the Winter Witch.
That said, one should take into account "characters I have available" and "characters I actually want to play". My Summoner actually idled at 6th level for months as I did not want to actually level him up to 7th. As he was a product of the APG Beta in PFS, I found myself without feats I had any desire to take and was waiting for Ultimate Magic to remedy that.
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Bruce Chung wrote:1 - Brax the Brutal, half-orc fighter 6
2 - Muammar Gaddafi, human rogue 8, cavalier 2
3 - Kotar Desnar, human cleric of Pharasma 2 (emergency only)
4 - Malador, human inquistor of Asmodeus 2
5 - Busta Capp, dwarf gunslinger 3
6 - Magnus Maximus, ifrit sorcerer 6
hay Bruce - like your spread of characters.
at 1-5 you have a Cleric, an Inquistor, and a gunslinger.
at 5-9 you have a fighter, a rogue/cavalier, and a sorcerernice!
It's mainly just playing classes and races I haven't played before.
Been looking at figuring out a good way to play a halfling. It was going to be either a lore warden fighter archetype, a maneuver master monk archetype, or an alchemist. I found out earlier today the Adopted race trait allows a non-halfling to take the halfling race trait of Helpful (Halflings of Golarion), so I don't think the fighter or monk will be worked on anymore. For both of those builds I was focusing on getting Dirty Trick to work. I think it's the best combat maneuver of all. So it'll be the alchemist, and I'll be figuring out a good mix of bomb use, and providing melee support so I can use Helpful (+4 from aid another instead of +2).
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More detailed version, since I created another level 1 character since my last post, and didn't give a ton of detail then:
Mash - Level 4 human barbarian
Sister Isabella - Level 1 human cleric (never played)
Corin LaDrock - Level 1 human bard (never played)
And the pun in Sister Isabella's name - not only is she a "sister" as a member of a holy order, but the reason I built this character in this way, including making her my first female character, is that she's Mash's sister.
I really do want to make a paladin at some point, too. That one will be another sister of Mash and Sister Isabella. This whole thing started as a back story for Mash that got out of hand.
And I'm sure I'll run across other classes that I want to try eventually, too.
My problem is not enough playing opportunities for all these characters. My local group actually plays almost every week, but we've been sticking to the same set of characters every time, who are now all level 4-5.
We're actually looking to recruit some new players starting in January, and we're all preparing level 1 characters to play with them. So I should get the chance to play my cleric and/or bard at that time. Also, there's a con coming up in February, but I don't know how many days I'll be able to attend.
So hopefully, I'll have a chance to try out some of my level 1 characters and spread out the levels in the not too distant future.
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More detailed version, since I created another level 1 character since my last post, and didn't give a ton of detail then:
Mash - Level 4 human barbarian
Sister Isabella - Level 1 human cleric (never played)
Corin LaDrock - Level 1 human bard (never played)And the pun in Sister Isabella's name - not only is she a "sister" as a member of a holy order, but the reason I built this character in this way, including making her my first female character, is that she's Mash's sister.
I really do want to make a paladin at some point, too. That one will be another sister of Mash and Sister Isabella. This whole thing started as a back story for Mash that got out of hand.
And I'm sure I'll run across other classes that I want to try eventually, too.
My problem is not enough playing opportunities for all these characters. My local group actually plays almost every week, but we've been sticking to the same set of characters every time, who are now all level 4-5.
We're actually looking to recruit some new players starting in January, and we're all preparing level 1 characters to play with them. So I should get the chance to play my cleric and/or bard at that time. Also, there's a con coming up in February, but I don't know how many days I'll be able to attend.
So hopefully, I'll have a chance to try out some of my level 1 characters and spread out the levels in the not too distant future.
What I've seen more than once that seems to be crazy to me, is the group of strangers that meet for the first time to play, perhaps at a con, and they have 4 characters all of the same type (say all 2-H-Sword fighters), at an advanced level, and have nothing else to play. so you get a table of four 4th level Barbarians all doing 40hp in the surprize round, to the halfling corner merchant. (sarcasm in that last I admit, but not to far off).
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if you have a regular group you always play the character with, it isn't so much of "the problem" I was looking at with this post. Sounds like you have it well in hand. I've found it also helps to judge for the newbies - it often gets me more play time, and let's me see what kind of characters are out there.
What I've seen more than once that seems to be crazy to me, is the group of strangers that meet for the first time to play, perhaps at a con, and they have 4 characters all of the same type (say all 2-H-Sword fighters), at an advanced level, and have nothing else to play. so you get a table of four 4th level Barbarians all doing 40hp in the surprize round, to the halfling corner merchant. (sarcasm in that last I admit, but not to far off).
Yeah, it's not really a "problem", in that we have 5 of us regulars, all playing different character types. We could use more spellcasters, but we've done ok so far.
I just have all these other character ideas I want to try, and I'm stuck playing the same one every week. I made a barbarian because I figured a front line fighter would be easy to throw together and play with very little knowledge of the game or preparation, when I was new to Pathfinder a couple of months ago. Now I want to try other character types, which is why I made a cleric and bard, but I haven't had a chance to play them yet.
And as I said, there's a convention coming up in February, where I may still have the same problem you're describing. Even if I do get a chance to play the other characters a couple of times before the con, my barbarian will be my only character to bring to the con that isn't level 1 or 2, so I won't be able to switch out based on the table need.
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How many characters do you have to play at each Tier?
Tier 1-5 Three characters [Level 1 Oracle (Metal); Level 3 Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Magus (Kensai); Level 3 Fighter (Archer)]
Tier 3-7 Three characters [Level 3 Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Magus (Kensai); Level 3 Fighter (Archer); Level 6 Summoner (Synthesist)]
Tier 5-9 Two characters [Level 6 Summoner (Synthesist); Level 9 Cleric/Paladin (Undead Scourge)/Ranger/Holy Vindicator]
Tier 7-11 Two characters [Level 9 Cleric/Paladin (Undead Scourge)/Ranger/Holy Vindicator; Level 11 Wizard (Transmuter)/Monk of the Four Winds]
Tier 12+ One character [Level 12 Ranger/Rogue/Horizon Walker]
This is not to imply that I view the characters as interchangeable within the tier (I would much rather play certain characters over others. I also have little interest in making any new PCs in the near future. I would rather be able to regularly play a character than try out new builds.
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Tier 1-5: Three characters,
A 3rd Slow Advancement Cleric/Undead slayer (because we always need a lowbie Healer)
A 3rd Zen Archer Monk (just for fun)
A 1st Gnome Bard (also just for giggles, only dragged out for the silly times)
Tier 5-9: One Character,
A 7th Shield Fighter Tank (AC junkie)
Several planned, but not registered yet: barbarian meat-tank, gnome charm sorceror, Gun tank, Gnome grapplemancer sorceror, cleric/rogue, Pharasman pos/neg channel cleric, Wizard Knowledge junkie, Synthesist Tank, super-mobility cleric...
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7th Level Half Elf Inquisitor of Pharasma
5th Level Human Cleric of Shelyn
3rd Level Half Elf Druid2/Evoker(Admixture)1
2nd Level Halfling Oracle of the Dark Tapestry
1st level Tengu Samurai
1st Level Dwarf Fighter
1st Level Human Rogue (Swashbuckler)
1st Level Human Alchemist*
1st Level Half Orc Ranger*
*Not played yet
I'm trying to get a spread of characters so I can play any scenario. Thus at the moment I tend to play scenarios with the lowest level characters I can. That means I play 5-9's with my 5th level 3-7's with my 3rd level etc.
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Tier 1-5 = 1st level Magus*, 2nd level Bard*, 3rd level Sorcerer, 5th level Witch
Tier 3-7 = 3rd level Sorcerer, 5th level Witch
Tier 5-9 = 5th level Witch
Tier 7-11 = 0
Tier 12 = 0
*not played yet
I play with Fromper and yes, we are working on a 1st level group so that we can 1. introduce new players to the group and 2. help level up folks who have been missing a lot since we started 3 months ago.
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12 level Human Fighter/Barbarian (retired, made it through the eyes of ten)
11 level Human Water Socerer (1 away from 12 level)
8 level Elf Witch (GM Credit character mainly)
8 level Half-Orc Oracle
3 level Dwarf Ranger
2 level Damphir Bard
1 Level Dwarf Cleric
I have mainly been playing my Oracle and Ranger as of late. I play and GM in NYC and go to cons and game days in the local area as well as Gencon.
Nathan Meyers
NYC Player + GM
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My characters from High to low.
Cristian Aldori - human fighter 11 from Brevoy
Sajan Mahashi - Human Necromancer 10 from Geb (He's been mentioned by MikeVon Hasslen)
Bron Stonetrapper - Dwarf Rogue 6
Tsurag Tsadok - 1/2 Orc Barbarian 5
Lacroix Jendar - Human Summoner 2
Windeloos Nackle - Gnome Sorcerer 1
Taggart Bravefoot - Halfling Monk1
Felinous Druumard - Human Monk (Zen Archer) 1
Toric KeKelistan - Human Inquisitor 1
Retired (fro various reasons)
Aladane Talmark - Human Cavalier 2
Kamal al-Ahmad - Human Cleric1/ Fighter 2
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January is my one year anniversary, but I've been busy:
Tier 1:
-Janx Zigswift - Lvl 1 Tempest Swamp Druid
-Uthic of the Lash - Lvl 1 Inquisitor of Calistria
Tier 1-5 (in addition to the two above):
-Emilio Blakros - Lvl 3 Void-Touched Sorcerer
-Rufalo of Nex - Lvl 3 "Priest of Razmir" (Bard)
-Vaclav "Shame-Bringer" - Lvl 4 Urban Barbarian / Transmuter
-Ranzwick Sprocketminder - Lvl 5 Gnome Theologian of Brigh
Tier 3 - 7 (In addition to the four above):
-Feradul - Lvl 7 Elven Archer Bard
Tier 5 - 9 (In addition to the two above):
-Utan "Hoppy" Wortmuddler - Lvl 9 Gnome Oracle of Battle
Tier 7 - 11 The two above.
Tier 11+ None.
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That I actively use at some point-
(Tier 0) - None at the moment
(Tier 1-5) - Two, a Two Weapon Human Fighter ("Crowbar" Palanca) and a Kill You In The Face With A Great Axe Half Orc Barbarian (Karne)
(Tier 5-9) - Two, a blue Halfling Summoner/Bard with a big scary cat and a "F**k you" disposition (Anarchist Smurf) and a Human Musket Master Cad that hates himself (Cain Abe El. +1 if you catch the reference.)
(Tier 9-11) - None...yet
(Tier 11+) - See Tier 9-11