Gestault Character Lvl 20

[Tapkill]

My GM is about to start a game were we r lvl 20 gestault characters. I wanna be lvl 20 sorcerer all the way but cant figure out what i want my other 20 lvls to be in. My character idea is a B+*%#y female nobleish character that gets her way regardless if someone wants her to get it or not. Im basically up for anything yall have to offer including feats and prestige classes

[GM Fireclaw]

Sorcerer(dragon disciple)/Magus

Turn into dragon, arcane pool all your natural weapons, and go to town.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

SOrcerer (wisdom variant)/ Monk.

Ridiculous naked AC, full casting, and you can turn into a dragon and go to town with your natural weapons (flurry). ;-)

[Tapkill]

I dont know anything about this wisdom variant sorcerer. Were can i look that up? As for the dragon disciple its nice but she wouldnt like her skin turning into scales, like i said she is noble-ish so i was trying to be more out of melee if all possible

[Doomed Hero]

Sorcerer/Ninja.

Sculpt spells into Rays.
Add 10d6 sneak attack.
?????????
profit

[Steven T. Helt]

I'd go bard/sorcerer. Artillery beef and friendly buff, healing, snobbery, and not helpless in melee or ranged combat. I'd go arcane heritage and make use of metamagic feats, and I'd consider the arcane duelist archetype and never lose a magic duel. Be both mage and mage-killer.

[kyrt-ryder]

Barbarian. B%&%*y female nobles are renowned for their tantrums, barbarian gives you a good fort and the biggest hit die, and I'm sure you can find enough non-melee rage powers to make it worth your while.

[Steven T. Helt]

straight oracle and barbarian/rage dude are pretty freaking strong, actually. But then you said you want to aviod melee. I say make someone that can boss in both melee and spellcasting. At this point, you should pick one and let us give you iddeas for it.

[Tapkill]

Steven T. Helt wrote:

straight oracle and barbarian/rage dude are pretty freaking strong, actually. But then you said you want to aviod melee. I say make someone that can boss in both melee and spellcasting. At this point, you should pick one and let us give you iddeas for it.

I like your option with the mage killer arcane duelist..It sounds more in line with her personality and what my playstyle with her is gonna be like.

[Eindridi]

Tapkill wrote:

I dont know anything about this wisdom variant sorcerer. Were can i look that up? As for the dragon disciple its nice but she wouldnt like her skin turning into scales, like i said she is noble-ish so i was trying to be more out of melee if all possible

It is the Empyreal Wildblooded Sorcerer variant.

[Tapkill]

k so I'm thinking i wanna be sorcerer/oracle...Now Im not very good at picking feats what feats would be good except just going the metamagic feat route?

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

Tapkill wrote:

I dont know anything about this wisdom variant sorcerer. Were can i look that up? As for the dragon disciple its nice but she wouldnt like her skin turning into scales, like i said she is noble-ish so i was trying to be more out of melee if all possible

i don't remember exactly, but if you want to be an out of combat type might i suggest sage sorcerer/conjurer teleport specalist/

crap ton of summoning and spell potential. if someone gets near you as a swift acton you can be somewer else. if i had to pick a ''what i would wish to be'' type that would be it. you ca do almost anything and the only stat you really need is int. any other stat is bonus.

[Steven T. Helt]

...and to score on Coffee Golem's assist, the idea of having summoned servants work for your snob is pretty tight. I'll look at some options here in a minute and hook you up.

[SmiloDan]

Summoner//Sorcerer, with your eidolon being your butler/bodyguard. Eidolons can wear tuxedos and white gloves? Give it the Catch Off Guard feat and have it whump on opponents with its silver serving tray. And max ranks in Profession chef so the party also gets to appreciate the fruits of your eidolon.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

SmiloDan wrote:

Summoner//Sorcerer, with your eidolon being your butler/bodyguard. Eidolons can wear tuxedos and white gloves? Give it the Catch Off Guard feat and have it whump on opponents with its silver serving tray. And max ranks in Profession chef so the party also gets to appreciate the fruits of your eidolon.

You could model it vaguely after the Owen character from the Gargoyles cartoon without the puck aspect. The perfect 100% loyal manservant who kicks serious ass as required. ;-)

[SmiloDan]

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

SmiloDan wrote:

Summoner//Sorcerer, with your eidolon being your butler/bodyguard. Eidolons can wear tuxedos and white gloves? Give it the Catch Off Guard feat and have it whump on opponents with its silver serving tray. And max ranks in Profession chef so the party also gets to appreciate the fruits of your eidolon.

You could model it vaguely after the Owen character from the Gargoyles cartoon without the puck aspect. The perfect 100% loyal manservant who kicks serious ass as required. ;-)

Woah.

So awesome.

I just recently found out that Xanatos was given 1 wish from Puck. Puck knew Xanatos wanted immortality, and figured Xanatos would ask that of him. Wrong! He instead asked for eternal servitude from Puck--Xanatos was confident he could get his immortality on his own!

He was a self-made man, after all.

Best. Villain. Ever.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

SmiloDan wrote:

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

SmiloDan wrote:

Summoner//Sorcerer, with your eidolon being your butler/bodyguard. Eidolons can wear tuxedos and white gloves? Give it the Catch Off Guard feat and have it whump on opponents with its silver serving tray. And max ranks in Profession chef so the party also gets to appreciate the fruits of your eidolon.

You could model it vaguely after the Owen character from the Gargoyles cartoon without the puck aspect. The perfect 100% loyal manservant who kicks serious ass as required. ;-)

Woah.

So awesome.

I just recently found out that Xanatos was given 1 wish from Puck. Puck knew Xanatos wanted immortality, and figured Xanatos would ask that of him. Wrong! He instead asked for eternal servitude from Puck--Xanatos was confident he could get his immortality on his own!

He was a self-made man, after all.

Best. Villain. Ever.

Agreed.

He offered either one wish from Puck or a lifetime of service from Owen. To Puck's surprise he choose Owen. I loved that series. X was my favorite.

Edit: Besides, Puck probably would have made him immortal by turning him into a statue or something.

[Avenger]

Sorcerer/Cleric with a careful pick of domains/bloodline to get the best imunities and such

[ShadowcatX]

Tapkill wrote:

k so I'm thinking i wanna be sorcerer/oracle...Now Im not very good at picking feats what feats would be good except just going the metamagic feat route?

Sorcerer / oracle's a good combination if you pick the right bloodline and mystery. Make sure to choose ones that will compliment each other. This combination has enough flexibility to do virtually anything (fight in melee: Orc bloodline, battle oracle; Control: Maybe cross blooded fey / serpentine and heavens oracle; etc.) That makes recommending feats hard.

You're going to be very charisma focused, that immediately says eldritch heritage to gain yet more bloodline powers. Quicken, of course, is a high level spell caster requirement. Depending on your spells you may choose to go for spell perfection, if you do that'll eat quite a few feats as well. Also, you're a gestalt character with only one good saving throw, great fortitude, at least, is a must.

[Apraham Lincoln]

Barbarian/Alchemist 14 master chemyst 6. Hulk smash

[Steven T. Helt]

SmiloDan wrote:

Summoner//Sorcerer, with your eidolon being your butler/bodyguard. Eidolons can wear tuxedos and white gloves? Give it the Catch Off Guard feat and have it whump on opponents with its silver serving tray. And max ranks in Profession chef so the party also gets to appreciate the fruits of your eidolon.

Now that idea is all class. It can be obnoxiously powerful, or funny, or very grave if you want. Maybe a slightly monstrous eidolon in a fine suit. Maybe a suave devil loaned to the aristocracy from below.

But if you're gonna pimp out your eidolon, I'd go summoner/bard. Phat.

[Steven T. Helt]

Apraham Lincoln wrote:

Barbarian/Alchemist 14 master chemyst 6. Hulk smash

Aw...heck yeah. I wanna build that guy. 50 strength human, here we go!

[Blueluck]

There are some great ideas here! I was unaware of the Empyreal bloodline option until reading this thread. I doubt I'll ever get the chance to play a level 20 gestalt character, but I do find gestalt builds to be fascinating.

I like to see all the options laid out together, so here's my attempt at that:

Sorcerer is Charisma based like:

• Bard - Adds a few more arcane spells (including healing), skill points, weapons & medium BAB

• Summoner - Adds a few more arcane spells, weapons & medium BAB, and a great pet

• Oracle - full divine spells, weapons & medium BAB

• Paladin - Healing, saves, weapons & high BAB (A high DEX archery build would work best.), divine bond for mount or weapon enhancement
  

Empyreal Sorcerer utilizes Wisdom like:

• Cleric - full divine spells, weapons & medium BAB

• Druid - full divine spells, weapons & medium BAB, great pet

• Monk - great saves, weapons(hands) & medium BAB, AC and other defensive bonuses, mobility

• Inquisitor - weapons & medium BAB, partial divine spells

• Gunslinger - high BAB, firearms for ranged attacking, DEX & WIS based
  

Some general analysis of those options:

• Charisma based concepts will make better use of Leadership, if you intend to take that feat. In my opinion, the most important thing about Leadership is your DMs feeling on how it will effect the game.

• Paladin (archer) or Gunslinger - Either gives you more HP and an unlimited physical ranged attack for damage. I prefer the Paladin because of the potential for an excellent mount.

• Summoner or Druid - Both give pets, which is a good option of how to use a second character class. I'd choose druid if your party is likely to lack divine magic, summoner if divine magic is already covered and you'd prefer a stronger pet.

• Oracle or Cleric - Both give full divine casting. I'd go with the Oracle because the accumulated granted powers of 20 levels will really add up, and because spontaneous casting will save you a lot of bookeeping on an already complicated character.

• Monk - My favorite "passive" choice. That is, if you plan to spend all your actions doing Sorcerer stuff (casting spells), and don't enjoy controlling a pet, then let Monk enhance all your defenses while never taking your attention away from your sorcery.

• Bard - Bard doesn't bring much to the character that you don't already get from sorcerer. I would only take Bard if I intended to do a lot of summoning (and especially if my friends do to) so that I could lend the outstanding group buffs to all my little helpers.

• Inquisitor - My least favored choice, it gives less than full divine spellcasting but more melee capability, and I don't think this character is interested in melee.

In conclusion, if I were making a 20th level gestalt Sorcerer, I would choose:

• Monk - If I primarily want to do sorcery, since it gives the most bonuses without ever taking an action.
  
• Paladin - If I want to dish damage, because it gives great defensive bonuses, outstanding archery, and a mount.
  
• Summoner - If I want a pet. While it offers few other advantages, the pet is truly amazing.

Why no full divine casters?:

Three reasons. First, because I'm a big fan of each character having their area of expertise and not stepping on one another's, and leaving divine magic for someone else seems like a great way to do that. Second, the bookkeeping can get tiring with any high-level spellcaster, let alone combining two! Third, just how many spells can one cast in a day? A 20th level Sorcerer can cast 21 spells of 7th level or higher per day, which is more rounds of combat than you're likely to see in a typical adventuring day.

[Atarlost]

To sell the aristocrat side you want something that's a superset of aristocrat. That would be Cavalier. Same skill points and proficiencies and similar class skills.

Not optimal, but you're already running a level 20 gestalted full arcane caster. Do you really need more?