I do remember one woman, but she's not an iconic and I don't remember what book she's from. I remember she wore red and had short black hair. Maybe a cape.
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I think a decent part of the fantasy aesthetic is that heroes get to wear whatever they want. And honestly, the art in Pathfinder books seems to be more than open to the idea of a bit of form over function.
The only actual breastplate on a female that I can remember is from Ultimate Magic, on the page describing spell duels, but I can't seem to find the image for the life of me.
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While Barbarians were like this, nobody bat an eye.
When fighter were like this, everyone lose their minds.
Tsc, we have good exemples of female armors, why do not let the player choose what he wants, men or women?
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While Barbarians were like this, nobody bat an eye.
When fighter were like this, everyone lose their minds.
Tsc, we have good exemples of female armors, why do not let the player choose what he wants, men or women?
To be fair, I'd lose my mind about the second one showing their entire butt if it were a dude as well. I like pants.
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I know its a fantasy game, but 'female armor', especially the boobplates are impractical as hell. The point of a breastplate is to help deflect a point oriented attack, that's why its a simple verticle division in the middle of the plate, to guide the enemy's blade away. Boobplates let it catch and go into the middle more easily than if the armor was even totally flat.No, the point of a breastplate is to augment your AC, which is a stupid unrealistic system. Which will surely be replaced by an even more stupid system, because GW doesn't have any reason whatsoever to create a realistic simulation of medieval fight.
By the way, the realistic thing would be to give female characters a big strenght malus, but, well, that would suck.
Being, yes, IRL.
Did you just use my comment about real world armor design to springboard a riff at Goblinworks? And women?
Weird...
While Barbarians were like this, nobody bat an eye.
When fighter were like this, everyone lose their minds.
Well, duh. Barbarians are supposed to wear less armor.
I'm alright with "boob plate". It seems to be a Pathfinder tradition. But expecting anything like what you linked to give a high AC bonus than could be expected is just silly. If you want skimpy, go for leather, chain shirts, and hide armor. Or a glamor.
Glamored armor is a great option that completely removes the need for the more outrageous forms of "protection" seen in other MMOs.
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Did you just use my comment about real world armor design to springboard a riff at Goblinworks? And women?
Weird...
I don't see how you can consider that I am attacking GW, by saying that their game is going to be unrealistic. You are aware that we can play magicians, and elves ?
And I don't see how talking about sexual dimorphism is "springboarding a riff" at women.
Yeah, I'm with Audoucet here. Especially on the latter bit—women have weaker muscles than men. There are some exceptions, but there it is. Women are physically weaker. They also live longer, can't use a toilet standing up, and often grow their hair longer than we do.
Of course, if Pathfinder approached that realistically, I'd find it pretty dang annoying.
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If that is not sexy, and realistic, then I am totally okay with realistic armors. :pI do remember one woman, but she's not an iconic and I don't remember what book she's from. I remember she wore red and had short black hair. Maybe a cape.
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It's not realistic. If she fell on her face the breasty bit would hit the ground first, driving the armor in to and breaking her sternum(a lot of armor makers for cosplay/movies/etc refuse to make breast plate exactly for this reason), which is why serious hard armor doesn't have boob cups, and why it's hard to make comfortable hard armor for very busty women. Boob cups also deflect in every direction you don't want them to. Up in to the face, down in to the the thighs and feet, sideways in to the arms, and inward in to the sternum.
That said, Iomedae's armor is a good example of sexy but not soul-crushingly stupid.
I worked with some very busty lady soldiers that commissioned more comfortable ceramic armor that insisted boob cups were the solution. Silly girls.
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It's not realistic. If she fell on her face the breasty bit would hit the ground first, driving the armor in to and breaking her sternum(a lot of armor makers for cosplay/movies/etc refuse to make breast plate exactly for this reason), which is why serious hard armor doesn't have boob cups, and why it's hard to make comfortable hard armor for very busty women. Boob cups also deflect in every direction you don't want them to. Up in to the face, down in to the the thighs and feet, sideways in to the arms, and inward in to the sternum.
That said, Iomedae's armor is a good example of sexy but not soul-crushingly stupid.
My point exactly.
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Did you just use my comment about real world armor design to springboard a riff at Goblinworks? And women?
Weird...
I don't see how you can consider that I am attacking GW, by saying that their game is going to be unrealistic. You are aware that we can play magicians, and elves ?
And I don't see how talking about sexual dimorphism is "springboarding a riff" at women.
You're pulling the game into a comment about armor design. Yes Pathfinder is in a fantasy world with arbitrary rules that follow a more or less consistent pattern to make a magical world. No I don't think Pathfinder should have to adhere to real world 'mechanics'. The idea that because I don't care for boobplates in general means that I think women should be statistically weaker or that one idea leads to the inclusion of the other in a video is a weird thing to say, and leads me to believe that you are attempting to get a rise out of me. Well you have this, if that was what you're looking for. I hope that wasn't your intention.
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Your argument is "Take out specific fantasy convention X, because fantasy convention X is unrealistic".
I respond to your argument that it isn't justified to take out "specific fantasy convention X" just because it is unrealistic, because there are a lot of other unrealistic fantasy conventions.
Essentially, what I say is, don't use the realism argument, in a context where it is largely and willingly ignored.
Everybody knows perfectly that boobplates are not realistic. I don't see any point in bringing that up as an argument.
I respond to your argument that it isn't justified to take out "specific fantasy convention X" just because it is unrealistic, because there are a lot of other unrealistic fantasy conventions.
Women being as strong as men has nothing to do with fantasy. It's a convention of roleplaying games, period—nobody wants to be penalized for playing a girl. Most fantasy literature and media plays it more realistically.
Otherwise, I don't disagree on any particular point. Nor do I agree on any particular point. I don't like boob plate, but it's probably not going anywhere because it's a Pathfinder staple at this point.
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Your argument is "Take out specific fantasy convention X, because fantasy convention X is unrealistic".
I respond to your argument that it isn't justified to take out "specific fantasy convention X" just because it is unrealistic, because there are a lot of other unrealistic fantasy conventions.
Essentially, what I say is, don't use the realism argument, in a context where it is largely and willingly ignored.
Everybody knows perfectly that boobplates are not realistic. I don't see any point in bringing that up as an argument.
You're operating under the assumption that I'm making an argument for the game to be changed, in a very nit-picky way at that. You picked a fight with me for something I didn't say.
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If you'd like an idea of what armor will look like in Pathfinder Online, look at what armor looks like in any other Pathfinder product. PFO art direction will take its cues from what has come before.
It baffles me how people still make threads about the art style they want to see for characters and gear. It's going to look like Pathfinder, duh.
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If you'd like an idea of what armor will look like in Pathfinder Online, look at what armor looks like in any other Pathfinder product. PFO art direction will take its cues from what has come before.It baffles me how people still make threads about the art style they want to see for characters and gear. It's going to look like Pathfinder, duh.
By and large, I like that it will reflect the Pathfinder aesthetic. However, I wish Pathfinder didn't indulge the boobplate trope as much as it does, particularly when a fantasy show with as much T&A as Game of Thrones manages to give Brienne of Tarth a real, functional suit of armor.
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By and large, I like that it will reflect the Pathfinder aesthetic. However, I wish Pathfinder didn't indulge the boobplate trope as much as it does, particularly when a fantasy show with as much T&A as Game of Thrones manages to give Brienne of Tarth a real, functional suit of armor.
Well, that's really more of a Brienne-thing than a GoT-thing
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By and large, I like that it will reflect the Pathfinder aesthetic. However, I wish Pathfinder didn't indulge the boobplate trope as much as it does, particularly when a fantasy show with as much T&A as Game of Thrones manages to give Brienne of Tarth a real, functional suit of armor.Well, that's really more of a Brienne-thing than a GoT-thing
Not having read the books, I can only go by the show, and from my perspective, every girl/woman in the show who is a warrior of some type wears realistic, functional armor- Brienne, Ygritte, Yara and you could throw in Ayra and Meera as well.
That isn't to say they don't take every opportunity to show off Daenerys and Melisandre, but they aren't frontline melee fighters either...
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The sociologist in me is spinning goats with the lack of operationalization of terminology in this thread.
When you say "boob plate" do you mean Xena's individualized metal breasts armor or is anything even slightly not identical to armor designed for men falling under this term?
Because the GLOPs* have the latter but not the former that I've seen so where the line is drawn makes a big difference in meaning.
*Our international readers may not be familiar with the Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling.
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The sociologist in me is spinning goats with the lack of operationalization of terminology in this thread.
When you say "boob plate" do you mean Xena's individualized metal breasts armor or is anything even slightly not identical to armor designed for men falling under this term?
Because the GLOPs* have the latter but not the former that I've seen so where the line is drawn makes a big difference in meaning.
*Our international readers may not be familiar with the Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling.
Ah... I remember watching a documentary on GLOWs. I was living in Japan at the time, so I didn't watch them when I was a kid.
Xena's armor I think is fine. Leather, Padded, or Chain that emphasizes the breasts don't bother me. It is the Plated armors with breast-shapes that does bother me. But only because I know those are weaknesses in the armor. However just because I don't like that on Plated armor doesn't mean I would deny it for another player in a game like TT game or PFO.
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...I remember watching a documentary on GLOWs.
To my eternal amusement and entertainment, I went to high school with Dave McLane, who invented GLOW. He was involved with professional wrestling from the age most kids had a paper route, and had exactly the personality one would require and expect in that field, yet he had a genuine sense of humour and empathy that I'm sure many people would find hard to believe, given the excesses also associated with the public image.