Teleporting into the earth is a poissbility. All the rest would just be sundered, then again if the synthesist had a burrow speed we enter into uncertain terrain. He could follow, but the barb could die of suffocation, then again probably not before murdering you, just needs a way to pinpoint where underground you went.
If you teleported right behind the barb then there's no way for him to turn around his mount in time, etc etc. He'd also need tremor sense or life sense in order to find you underground. Only the blur of the spells I listed could be sundered, and that's still an attack not coming your way!
Maybe teleport onto the underside of the bat and attempt to soverign glue the lance to something or the bat's wings to the boots of the barbarian, etc.
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I've got invisiblility, mirror image, displacement, mind blank, and a few other spells up. My cleric buddy has a bunch, one of which is shield other.At what point do you put these spells up? Before or after being charged by AM?
Before, of course. We've already clearly established that AM can't ever find me until I want to be found. Whereas I don't even need a perception check to find him. If AM is anywhere in line of sight, I can see him. And since he's flying, and I'm conveniently standing in the middle of a field at least 1000 feet in radius, I can see him.
Per RAW, There is no penalty for being dead, and with die hard, you have operate at negative hit points.
How the hell do you get that there's no penalty for being dead? You're DEAD. As in no longer alive. Doing things require you to be alive. And you know have a soul in your body. I've seen people trying to twist RAW, but you're going a bit too far.
Lord Armour Casty is very happy to have survived RAGELANCEPOUNCE and his mighty intellect having been proved right regarding the squishier casty target one field over intends to break WBL himself by writing a mass market paperback call "When Barbarian's RAGELANCEPOUNCE: Living to tell the tale."
Want to take a share of they royalties AM? After all i suspect millions more low level casty's will be buying a copy for 10gp and 99sp for my insights into RAGELANCEPOUNCE!(tm). I was thinking i could set you up a ressurection fund just incase one of us does manage to kill you, can't have my meal ticket stop threatening the low level casty's that are going to prop up my book and film career.
Also who does AM want to get to play him in the movie? Matt Damon?
IF AM POSSIBLE, BARBARIAN PREFER TO BE PLAYED BY JACKIE CHAN IF POSSIBLE. MAN AM ABLE TO PERFORM GREAT FEETS, CLEARLY PLACING CHAN ON BAT AM RECEPIE FOR SUCCESS. BATTY BAT CAN BE PLAYED BY THAT GUY FROM THOSE POLICE MOVIES. AM LIKE BUDDY COP RECIPE ALL OVER AGAIN.
It helps to read the rules. In this case:
The spell to be brought into effect by the contingency must be one that affects your personWhich is what AM said.Ah, thankyou. I can't understand that gentleman's* ramblings. They're cute, but they got old fast. Forgive my missreading the spell.
Still hasn't addressed the possibility of the mage being invisible, or something similar.
In addition, what about something along the lines of Contingency dim door to dodge the attacks, time stop on your turn, do what ever to win?
AM GOING TO HAVE TO BE REALLY SPECIFICALLY WORDED CONTINGENCY TO PREVENT THING FROM HAPPENING.
LIKE. SUPER SPECIFICALLY WORDED CONTINGENCY. HOW AM EVEN WORD THAT? WITHOUT BEING COMPLICATED OR CONVOLUTED, OF COURSE.
HRM. SO. CASTY AM BREAKING ALL RULES RELATED TO WBL, WAY SCRYING FROM CRYSTAL BALL WORKS (NOTE CASTER TIME. AM REALLY HARD TO PASS ONE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE ONE AM STILL 1/DAY), WAY TELEPORTATION WORK, AM ASSUMING THAT EVERY SINGLE FOLLOWER AM SINGLE CLASS AND SINGLE BUILD, AND ALSO ASSUMING BARBARIAN SOMEHOW NOT NOTICE MASS GATHERING OF CASTYS IN PLACE.
YES, GM FIAT AM STILL ABLE TO KILL BARBARIAN. THIS ESTABLISHED LAST TIME THIS CAME UP. BUT IF AM MAKING STUFF UP, CLEARLY BARBARIAN ABLE TO DO SAME THING. WHO WANT SEE BARBARIAN STORY?
The only rule regarding WBL is that it's a suggested point that you start at. No rule says you can't move past it during play. I could do it without breaking WBL as well if I wanted to.
Second off, I am not misunderstanding how scrying works. "If the save succeeds, you can't attempt to scry on that subject again for at least 24 hours." Notice the 'you'. Pass the crystal ball to the next person down the list.
And I'm not ignoring how teleportation works. Move through a teleport circle, and you get transported. No action required.
Barbarian isn't going to notice a gathering of wizards because they're not on his plane until they want to be. The only one who would be would be the scout that the barbarian can't detect.
AH. BARBARIAN SEE. CASTYS AM GOING TO BE ON ANOTHER PLANE UNTIL AM USING TELEPORT CIRCLE TO GET TO BARBARIAN AFTER USING CRYSTAL BALL WITH 1 HOUR CASTING TIME TO SCRY ON BARBARIAN EVERY TURN IN ROW.
...SERIOUSLY? THAT AM PLAN?
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IF AM POSSIBLE, BARBARIAN PREFER TO BE PLAYED BY JACKIE CHAN IF POSSIBLE. MAN AM ABLE TO PERFORM GREAT FEETS, CLEARLY PLACING CHAN ON BAT AM RECEPIE FOR SUCCESS. BATTY BAT CAN BE PLAYED BY THAT GUY FROM THOSE POLICE MOVIES. AM LIKE BUDDY COP RECIPE ALL OVER AGAIN.
Also who does AM want to get to play him in the movie? Matt Damon?
"Hey, c'mon in! It's AM, right, I can call you AM? Call me Bobby. So it says here you want Jackie Chan to play you. Great screenplay, by the way - a little light on the dialogue, but whaddaya expect from a guy with an engineering degree, amirite? Listen, AM, we've got a little problem with getting Jackie (he's a great guy, isn't he) to play you in his next movie. See, he's got a clause in his contract that says he'll only play opposite a certifiable ten in comedies, and let's face it, your mount's not a ten. Hell, it ain't even got boobs. So whaddaya say we get Robert Pattinson to play you? He's dark, he's broody; the babes love him. Whaddaya say?"
...bugger. Edited for stupidity.
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Cast Timestop, cast Instant Summons bringing forth a Sphere of Annihilation (no more hand :(, ) upon which you had previously cast Arcane Mark (any material, sphere does not negate magic as per RAW), move Sphere of Annihilation toward AM BARB, back up contingency of toss Rod of Negation at Sphere causing large explosion.
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Cast Dimensional Anchor on self. Toss Portable Hole into Bag of Holding while standing near barbarian.
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Break Staff of the Magi/Staff of Power while standing next to barbarian, contingency dim door away from ensuing explosion.
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Waves of exhaustion? (one quickened with rod if need be)
FOR SPHERE OF ANNIHILATION, BARBARIAN NOTE THAT SPELL RANGE AM TOUCH. THAT AM PROBABLY HURT IF AM KEEPING TO SPELL, THOUGH BARBARIAN SUPPOSE REACH SPELL AM POSSIBLE. ALSO, PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT ANY MATTER THAT SPHERE AM TOUCH AM 'SUCKED INTO VOID' AND DESTROYED. BARBARIAN AM PRETTY SURE THAT MEAN TOUCHING SPHERE AT ALL LEAD TO DESTRUCTION OF CHARACTER DUE TO SUCKED INTO VOID. ROD OF NEGATION AM PRETTY AWESOME, BUT... 120 DAMAGE MAXIMUM AM NOT THAT BAD.
PORTABLE HOLE/BAG OF HOLDING AM AMAZINGLY GOOD IDEA. AM NOT REALLY KILL BARBARIAN, THOUGH. EVEN IF AM ASSUMING CASTY SOMEHOW GETS WITHIN 10 FEET OF BARBARIAN TO TOSS ONE IN OTHER, BARBARIAN JUST START RAISING HECK ON ASTRAL PLANE UNTIL SOMETHING AM LIKE 'PLEASE GO HOME. PLEASE. AM DO WHATEVER WANT.' AND BARBARIAN BE ALL LIKE 'OK, GATE NOW.' AND SOMETHING AM LIKE 'OK.'
ALSO BARBARIAN ABLE TO SMASH TELEPORTING CASTYS MID-TELEPORT (AM GOING THROUGH ASTRAL PLANE). THAT AM BEST IDEA EVER. BARBARIAN LIKE IDEA.
FULL POWER STAFF OF MAGI DEAL 400 DAMAGE. BARBARIAN MAKE DC 23 SAVE PRETTY EASY, AM TAKING 200 DAMAGE. AM STILL ALIVE. AM PAINFUL, BUT AM STILL ALIVE. AFTERWARDS, BARBARIAN SUDDENLY CONSIDER POSSIBLY TAKING EVASION AS GOOD FUTURE LIFE CHOICE. MAYBE USE OBSCENE GOLDS FROM CASTYS.
EXHAUSTION TEND TO GET COUNTERED BY HEART OF THE FIELDS. IF AM THEN CASTED AGAIN, THERE AM RAGING BARBARIAN STANDING RIGHT THERE WITH CASTY WHO AM JUST USING BOTH ACTIONS IN ECONOMY TO CAST HEART OF THE FIELDS. HAVE MOVE ACTION LEFT, BARBARIAN HAVE REALLY BIG CHARGE.
IF AM POSSIBLE, BARBARIAN PREFER TO BE PLAYED BY JACKIE CHAN IF POSSIBLE. MAN AM ABLE TO PERFORM GREAT FEETS, CLEARLY PLACING CHAN ON BAT AM RECEPIE FOR SUCCESS. BATTY BAT CAN BE PLAYED BY THAT GUY FROM THOSE POLICE MOVIES. AM LIKE BUDDY COP RECIPE ALL OVER AGAIN.
Also who does AM want to get to play him in the movie? Matt Damon?"Hey, c'mon in! It's AM, right, I can call you AM? Call me Bobby. So it says here you want Jackie Chan to play you. Great screenplay, by the way - a little light on the dialogue, but whaddaya expect from a guy with an engineering degree, amirite? Listen, AM, we've got a little problem with getting Jackie (he's a great guy, isn't he) to play you in his next movie. See, he's got a clause in his contract that says he'll only play opposite a certifiable ten in comedies, and let's face it, your mount's not a ten. Hell, it ain't even got boobs. So whaddaya say we get Robert Pattinson to play you? He's dark, he's broody; the babes love him. Whaddaya say?"
...bugger. Edited for stupidity.
WHY NOT EDDIE MURPHY PLAY MOUNT? AM SURE SOMETHING WORK OUT. CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT BOSS RIDING HIM TOO HARD.
Also, Scouring Winds is a spell that stops his ability to kill you, though you'd need some way to keep it active and not take 3d6 damage every turn, etc!
I do agree though, he is a wicked fun build and I commend whoever came up with him for a jobwelldone. It's just hard to counter him without having something to build on, numerically and such!
BARBARIAN WORKING ON THAT. BIG PROBLEM AM THAT VERY SECOND BUILD AM POSTED, AM GOING TO BE LIKE SEVENTEEN CASTYS ALL FIGURING OUT HOW TRY AND BEAT BARBARIAN AT SAME TIME, ALL BEING BUILT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE WITH INABILITY TO DO BASIC THINGS LIKE ADVENTURE. WHICH BARBARIAN STILL AM ABLE TO DO. AM CRAZY PROSPECT. BARBARIAN FEEL LOVE FROM CASTYS, BUT ONLY FEEL HATE FOR THEM.
ALSO, SPELL SUNDER SCOURING WINDS. CASTY AM NOT TAKE 3D6 PER TURN ANYMORE BUT... AM KIND OF NO LONGER THERE EITHER.
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The process of this whole thing is to determine a way to stop the AM from completely shredding any caster that comes it's way, is it not?Basically, yeah. Really, I think it's to point out that high-level casters aren't as all-powerful as we've all been told - or at least, that high-level barbarians can be just as all-powerful!
As far as banning AM because he depends on Leadership... two things. First, DM fiat can of course trump any build. More importantly, though, AM doesn't need Leadership to get a strong BATTY BAT. Leadership is just what takes BATTY BAT from being strong to being OMGWTF.
And a third thing, while I'm at it: if I ever see AM at the same gaming table as me, I'll know it's time to move to another table!
Firstly, yes. AM BARBARIAN was my entry into the C-M D that was a barbarian who proved to be able to make Casters have to take up arguments which were only ever heard by the Martial character in the C-M D. He managed to effectively reverse the dialectic and the dialogue, which means that as he is the caster and the castys are the martial, clearly he should be heralded as superior, right? (And I point out this happened while talking like AM. I'm still not sure how that actually worked.) At this point, he's one part thought experiment, mixed with a dash of awesome and a pinch of 'shut the heck up castys.' Bake halfway through, and voila! Your very own AM.
As far as Leadership... the build doesn't strictly require it. However, I am aiming to go Beyond The Impossible in the actual build. This being the case, the one I put up will have Leadership so that I can have my Dire Bat/Giant Robot/Dragon/Unicorn/Pegasus/Pony mount. Its Cutie Mark is a drill.
And if you ever see AM at the same gaming table as anything, there is something seriously wrong with whoever you are gaming with. Builds like AMY and AM BARBARIAN, (allcaps builds, as I shorthand them) are amazing as thought experiments into the inner workings of what is actually possible. They should not be taken to a table and actually played, because they trivialize everything, marginalize the other characters, and make people get all butthurt because you're basically soloing an adventure and stealing all the fun.
AFTER USING CRYSTAL BALL WITH 1 HOUR CASTING TIME TO SCRY ON BARBARIAN EVERY TURN IN ROW.
...SERIOUSLY? THAT AM PLAN?
Unless stated otherwise, activating a use-activated magic item is either a standard action or not an action at allTry again. One standard action to use the crystal ball. Nothing is stated in the crystal ball description to require an hour to cast it.
HUH. BARBARIAN AM UNDER IMPRESSION THAT PART OF EFFECT TEXT OF CRYSTAL BALL SAY 'AS WITH SPELL SCRYING.' UNDER ASSUMPTION THAT AM MEANING THIS INCLUDE CASTING TIME. AM VERY INTERESTING. CLEARLY, AM FIGHTY SHOULD GET CRYSTAL BALL AFTER ALL. AM MAKE EVERYTHING WAY INTERESTINGER.
BARBARIAN ALSO NOTE CASTY HAVE GLEEFULLY GLOSSED OVER SLIGHTLY BIGGER PROBLEM WITH IDEA. TYPICAL CASTY.
...SEVENTEEN CASTYS ALL FIGURING OUT HOW TRY AND BEAT BARBARIAN AT SAME TIME, ALL BEING BUILT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE WITH INABILITY TO DO BASIC THINGS LIKE ADVENTURE. ...Inability to adventure? Now I see why you're a barbarian, AM. You haven't figured out that I can change my spell list.
Jeez.
TRUE, BUT AM ALREADY ESTABLISHED BARBARIAN NOT GET BEATEN WITH JUST SPELL LIST. LOW-END ESTIMATES ON WBL COST TO ACTUALLY HOLD CANDLE TO BARBARIAN AM IN 3.5 BILLION GP RANGE, AND REQUIRE MILLIONS OF MAN-HOURS. AM NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN SPENDING ENTIRE WBL ON MILLION COHORTS AM CONDUCIVE TO ADVENTURE TIME.
DD me 50 feet to the right whenever I say the words "OH S***!"
...CAN TALK ON OTHER PLAYER'S TURN? BARBARIAN AM UNDER IMPRESSION THAT TALKING AM FREE ACTION, WHICH AM ONLY DONE ON CASTY'S TURN. NOT IMMEDIATE.
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TRUE, BUT AM ALREADY ESTABLISHED BARBARIAN NOT GET BEATEN WITH JUST SPELL LIST. LOW-END ESTIMATES ON WBL COST TO ACTUALLY HOLD CANDLE TO BARBARIAN AM IN 3.5 BILLION GP RANGE, AND REQUIRE MILLIONS OF MAN-HOURS. AM NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN SPENDING ENTIRE WBL ON MILLION COHORTS AM CONDUCIVE TO ADVENTURE TIME....SEVENTEEN CASTYS ALL FIGURING OUT HOW TRY AND BEAT BARBARIAN AT SAME TIME, ALL BEING BUILT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE WITH INABILITY TO DO BASIC THINGS LIKE ADVENTURE. ...Inability to adventure? Now I see why you're a barbarian, AM. You haven't figured out that I can change my spell list.
Jeez.
Um, no. Not what I said at all. You stated that a specific build of caster built to kill AM couldn't adventure; I refuted that by saying that a simple change to my spell list for the day allows it.
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...I have found a tiny error in your statements, thereby rendering the entire concept of AM BARBARIAN null and void. You henceforth disappear in a puff of logic. :D
TRUE, BUT AM ALREADY ESTABLISHED BARBARIAN NOT GET BEATEN WITH JUST SPELL LIST. LOW-END ESTIMATES ON WBL COST TO ACTUALLY HOLD CANDLE TO BARBARIAN AM IN 3.5 BILLION GP RANGE, AND REQUIRE MILLIONS OF MAN-HOURS. AM NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN SPENDING ENTIRE WBL ON MILLION COHORTS AM CONDUCIVE TO ADVENTURE TIME....SEVENTEEN CASTYS ALL FIGURING OUT HOW TRY AND BEAT BARBARIAN AT SAME TIME, ALL BEING BUILT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE WITH INABILITY TO DO BASIC THINGS LIKE ADVENTURE. ...Inability to adventure? Now I see why you're a barbarian, AM. You haven't figured out that I can change my spell list.
Jeez.
Um, no. Not what I said at all. You stated that a specific build of caster built to kill AM couldn't adventure; I refuted that by saying that a simple change to my spell list for the day allows it.
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...I have found a tiny error in your statements, thereby rendering the entire concept of AM BARBARIAN null and void. You henceforth disappear in a puff of logic. :D
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EXHAUSTION TEND TO GET COUNTERED BY HEART OF THE FIELDS. IF AM THEN CASTED AGAIN, THERE AM RAGING BARBARIAN STANDING RIGHT THERE WITH CASTY WHO AM JUST USING BOTH ACTIONS IN ECONOMY TO CAST EXHAUSTION (I fixed that for you; silly AM, if you need me to use a wish to somehow get heart of the fields on you a second time, there's something wrong with your build). HAVE MOVE ACTION LEFT, BARBARIAN HAVE REALLY BIG CHARGE
Absolutely true. However, I've still got all my spells up, and you've only got one sunder left. Chances are you're not going to hit me, and even if you do, you're not going to kill me (shield other from my cleric cohort, remember?).
Well my Alchemist build should do the trick. Since scrying is out, mundane searching comes in. Patience is key. Potions of speak with animals and diplomacy checks should get me close enough to provoke a charge.
EXHAUSTION TEND TO GET COUNTERED BY HEART OF THE FIELDS. IF AM THEN CASTED AGAIN, THERE AM RAGING BARBARIAN STANDING RIGHT THERE WITH CASTY WHO AM JUST USING BOTH ACTIONS IN ECONOMY TO CAST EXHAUSTION (I fixed that for you; silly AM, if you need me to use a wish to somehow get heart of the fields on you a second time, there's something wrong with your build). HAVE MOVE ACTION LEFT, BARBARIAN HAVE REALLY BIG CHARGEAbsolutely true. However, I've still got all my spells up, and you've only got one sunder left. Chances are you're not going to hit me, and even if you do, you're not going to kill me (shield other from my cleric cohort, remember?).
HRM. SO CASTY HAVE CLERIC COHORT WITH SPELLS STILL UP ON CASTY? INTERESTING. WHICH VERSION AM CASTY FIGHTING, FULL POWER OR NON-LEADERSHIP?
A regular bat/horse/wolf/ whatever won't survive adventuring just on the barbarians rage alone.
If you're going to take leadership you may as well get a druid to be your mount.
Anyone who claims that they never sleep because there's no penalties for it is out as a game partner for me. Same with claiming the ability to pounce with a lance. I also don't play with Chaotic Evil characters (anyone who just automatically kills every caster they enounter is CE, I don't care what's on your character sheet). (I wouldn't play with the mage builds I've come up with either.)
AM COOL. BARBARIAN NOT PARTICULARLY WANT TO PLAY WITH CASTY EITHER.
People, we're adults here, let's please act like it.
YES. ACT LIKE ADULT WHEN PEOPLE AM TALKING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT BARBARIAN CAPABLE OF SUNDERING ENTIRE DEMIPLANES AND ALTERNATE REALITIES AM CAPABLE OF DOING.
BARBARIAN MEAN, SURE, BARBARIAN AM AWESOME AND NOT ABLE TO BE DEFEATED, BUT THAT AM NO REASON FOR CASTY TO BE SNIPPY ABOUT IT.
Easy enough to explain why. Barbarian doesn't like losing and being proven wrong.
FOR SHAME, CASTY. FOR SHAME.
I thought you were taking your ball and going home? Good riddance, I say.The claim is that there is no penalty for not sleeping. The Barbarian never claimed to be getting a lesser restoration. No point without a penalty.Anyone who claims that they never sleep because there's no penalties for it is out as a game partner for me.Glad to see you go, then, because that's a Paizo-sanctioned rule. There's an NPC in one of their adventure paths who takes a lesser restoration every day in lieu of sleeping.
CLEARLY, CASTY MAKE BLUFF CHECK.
Let's assume for a moment that a caster has a batty bat cohort identical to the am barbarian's one, so they will have the same perception modifier.
the caster is wandering in an open field, when the am barbarian appears, the two batty bat spot each other, having the same perception modifier.
What will happen?
1) the two batty bat (and the caster, if he is a diviner, thanks to forewarned) roll initiative for the surprise round, but the barbarian cannot act in surprise round because he's still not aware of the enemy
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2) the batty bat can warn the barbarian, so the barbarian can act, but at this point there's no surprise round, because all combatants are aware of their enemies
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How can the AM BARBARIAN or his cohort see an invisible wizard?
How about a Contingent Wall of Iron.
Contingency can only trigger spells that target YOU.
At level 20 it has 600 hps, hardness and can't be spell sundered, in addition to stopping his charge ahead of reaching the wizard, so his pounce wouldn't hit. Lets not mention the fact that slamming into a flat wall at roughly 100 mph without anything protecting him would likely kill him, and the mount.
If this were real life, sure. In PF/D&D/etc., not likely, since there is no such thing as acceleration or conservation of momentum. Stopping, starting, and turning is instantaneous and usually harmless. Even falling damage caps at 20d6.
How would he deal with multiple protection spells? Spell Sunder only allows for one such attempt per rage.
Probably would choose the one that prevents him from attacking. He needn't sunder any spell effect that causes miss chance, since spell sunder ignores miss chance.
Also, since AM almost certainly has Greater Sunder, any carryover damage that would have been done to the target of the sunder, if it's destroyed, carries through to the target underneath. Spell Sunder gets to dispel the spell AND bring the pain.
I thought that only applied to sundering weapons Jason? If not then you have helped me with a character concept! thanks!
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Well, one would have to find him through conventional means. Can anyone make gather information rolls with 20 points in diplomacy?Yes, the build does have over a 20 in diplomacy, but he could be scryed as well. Basic idea is that the only person he would have a chance of encountering is a high-stealth cohort. Barbarian has no statistical chance of finding cohort before cohort sees him. Even if he does find and kill cohort, cohort can be brought back (True ressurection). Cohort reports back with description enabling scrying. Play pass the crystal ball until barbarian fails enough will saves/uses all his rages per day doing spell sunders.
You pass the crystal ball, and every scry means DC goes down by one, which is irrelevant since he only fails on a 1 anyway. Bear in mind, of course, that he doesn't need to spell sunder every time you scry him, only every time he rolls a natural 1.
Also, the coordination of several teleportation circle spells off of scrolls is going to be difficult, since your 1st-ish level followers have virtually zero chance to successfully cast a 9th level spell (17th-level caster) off of a scroll, which means you would need to read them all yourself if you want to be sure they will actually work.
And by the way, unlike wondrous items, scrolls have the same casting time as the spell. TP circle = casting time *10 minutes*. Good luck responding to where you scried AM last time. But let's say you make a custom single-use magic item that does TP circle as a standard item.
The TP circle also opens into a specific point in space; if AM is flying at high speed, by the time you appear you're going to end up far behind him, well out of magic missile range (if I am remembering correctly that you were one of those advocating a barrage of hundreds of magic-missile-casting low-level wizard followers; if not, apologies), as well as the physical act of moving through the TP circle. If the circle is on the ground, the wizards will need to be within a single 30-foot move from one side of the TP circle to the other in order to still cast their spell in the same round. If you cast the TP circle in the air (given that you can only see within 10 feet around the target, you probably have no idea how high), then your followers either need to all be constantly flying they will fall (possibly to their deaths) as soon as they come out of the TP circle.
A clever idea might be to have each prepare feather fall and magic missile, so they can dive through the TP circle, fall, feather fall (immediate action) and then magic missile as they fall. That might work.
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The process of this whole thing is to determine a way to stop the AM from completely shredding any caster that comes it's way, is it not? It seems that for all his tricks, a simple contingency: dimdoor to teleport you out of the way, then time stop and re apply spells/do stuff completely obliterates his ability to one shot you.I know AM has a specific counter to waves of exhaustion. I don't remember what it is.
The other strategies seem like they might work, but who knows? I should remind you that any strategy which requires being within AM's considerable charge distance is probably not a terrific idea, though!
But what do I know? Without actually seeing AM's build, it's hard to say. Accusation of Schrodinger's barbarian, though, aren't accurate, as AM just uses the same basic things over and over again, mostly involving having all sorts of rage powers and being ridiculously good at sundering.
And, of course, being an unholy combination of insane awesomeness and fractured common. With a degree in engineering.
AM's first spell sunder on any caster would probably be to spell sunder contingency. That's what maintains his ability to one-shot CASTY! :)
The process of this whole thing is to determine a way to stop the AM from completely shredding any caster that comes it's way, is it not? It seems that for all his tricks, a simple contingency: dimdoor to teleport you out of the way, then time stop and re apply spells/do stuff completely obliterates his ability to one shot you.I know AM has a specific counter to waves of exhaustion. I don't remember what it is.
The other strategies seem like they might work, but who knows? I should remind you that any strategy which requires being within AM's considerable charge distance is probably not a terrific idea, though!
But what do I know? Without actually seeing AM's build, it's hard to say. Accusation of Schrodinger's barbarian, though, aren't accurate, as AM just uses the same basic things over and over again, mostly involving having all sorts of rage powers and being ridiculously good at sundering.
And, of course, being an unholy combination of insane awesomeness and fractured common. With a degree in engineering.
AM's first spell sunder on any caster would probably be to spell sunder contingency. That's what maintains his ability to one-shot CASTY! :)
The problem with spell sundering specific things is he'd have to identify them to tell the difference between them. Do some spell layering, and AM will have to start guessing. Unless you have Knowledge Arcana, AM.
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HRM. SO CASTY HAVE CLERIC COHORT WITH SPELLS STILL UP ON CASTY? INTERESTING. WHICH VERSION AM CASTY FIGHTING, FULL POWER OR NON-LEADERSHIP?EXHAUSTION TEND TO GET COUNTERED BY HEART OF THE FIELDS. IF AM THEN CASTED AGAIN, THERE AM RAGING BARBARIAN STANDING RIGHT THERE WITH CASTY WHO AM JUST USING BOTH ACTIONS IN ECONOMY TO CAST EXHAUSTION (I fixed that for you; silly AM, if you need me to use a wish to somehow get heart of the fields on you a second time, there's something wrong with your build). HAVE MOVE ACTION LEFT, BARBARIAN HAVE REALLY BIG CHARGEAbsolutely true. However, I've still got all my spells up, and you've only got one sunder left. Chances are you're not going to hit me, and even if you do, you're not going to kill me (shield other from my cleric cohort, remember?).
Oh, either's fine with me. Would you rather have a bat (of unsure provenance, as I don't know how you'd get one without Leadership) or a Summoner cohort? If we're going with Leadership, I'll take a cleric, although a paladin cohort is awfully tempting (he gets to Smite you, since you're obviously EEEVVVIIILLL - if not, you've got no business charging casters without warning).
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EXHAUSTION TEND TO GET COUNTERED BY HEART OF THE FIELDS. IF AM THEN CASTED AGAIN, THERE AM RAGING BARBARIAN STANDING RIGHT THERE WITH CASTY WHO AM JUST USING BOTH ACTIONS IN ECONOMY TO CAST EXHAUSTION (I fixed that for you; silly AM, if you need me to use a wish to somehow get heart of the fields on you a second time, there's something wrong with your build). HAVE MOVE ACTION LEFT, BARBARIAN HAVE REALLY BIG CHARGE
Oh, and I thought of another thing. Yeah, you're still raging, I'll grant that (you can't enter rage while exhausted, but I'll stipulate you can stay in one). But you're exhausted; you can't charge.
The problem with spell sundering specific things is he'd have to identify them to tell the difference between them. Do some spell layering, and AM will have to start guessing. Unless you have Knowledge Arcana, AM.The process of this whole thing is to determine a way to stop the AM from completely shredding any caster that comes it's way, is it not? It seems that for all his tricks, a simple contingency: dimdoor to teleport you out of the way, then time stop and re apply spells/do stuff completely obliterates his ability to one shot you.I know AM has a specific counter to waves of exhaustion. I don't remember what it is.
The other strategies seem like they might work, but who knows? I should remind you that any strategy which requires being within AM's considerable charge distance is probably not a terrific idea, though!
But what do I know? Without actually seeing AM's build, it's hard to say. Accusation of Schrodinger's barbarian, though, aren't accurate, as AM just uses the same basic things over and over again, mostly involving having all sorts of rage powers and being ridiculously good at sundering.
And, of course, being an unholy combination of insane awesomeness and fractured common. With a degree in engineering.
AM's first spell sunder on any caster would probably be to spell sunder contingency. That's what maintains his ability to one-shot CASTY! :)
He'd also have to be able to hit the spell under the contingency without the contingency going off. Say you worded it simply like "If anything with a lance as a weapon comes within 120 ft of me cast Dim Door" or "If any mounted creature comes within 120ft of me cast Dim Door" etc, lots of easy ways to cast it without it being too convoluted.
The Sphere of Annihilation doesnot require a touch attack to appropriate the obliteration of something as per RAW, but even if it did, it wouldn't be hard for the time stopped wizard to cast a true strike and still hit him, even with an absurdly high touch AC.
Scintillating Pattern Would auto confuse either his mount or himself, likely causing problems for a few rounds while you sort out what to do about him. He may even kill his mount somehow in the process.
Any of the powerwords could theoretically disable his mount, depending on it's HP.
Maze targeting the BARB, even if successful in finding his way out (not likely given he's raging), you still have a round to obliterate the mount without worry for your personal well being.
If Twinned or Split Ray existed, a nice rod of max/quicken on an Enervation could do the trick.
Quickened Energy Drain might work
Wish and Miracle could possibly remove him from existence or his mount/armor/knowledges etc.
Euphoric Tranquility with Reach and a high Diplomacy might convince him to step with you into your [newly formed] underground pit, where in you seal up the damned thing after quickly Teleporting(see Conjuration School) out and he's trapped forever.
Attain the spell Antilife Shield (somehow, I know I've seen a way to do it) and either place it in a Contingency (assuming the lance is 10ft long), or cast it with a Widened Rod/Feat.
Disintegrate targeting the lance/harness would make him effectively nerfed.
Oh, either's fine with me. Would you rather have a bat (of unsure provenance, as I don't know how you'd get one without Leadership) or a Summoner cohort? If we're going with Leadership, I'll take a cleric, although a paladin cohort is awfully tempting (he gets to Smite you, since you're obviously EEEVVVIIILLL - if not, you've got no business charging casters without warning).HRM. SO CASTY HAVE CLERIC COHORT WITH SPELLS STILL UP ON CASTY? INTERESTING. WHICH VERSION AM CASTY FIGHTING, FULL POWER OR NON-LEADERSHIP?EXHAUSTION TEND TO GET COUNTERED BY HEART OF THE FIELDS. IF AM THEN CASTED AGAIN, THERE AM RAGING BARBARIAN STANDING RIGHT THERE WITH CASTY WHO AM JUST USING BOTH ACTIONS IN ECONOMY TO CAST EXHAUSTION (I fixed that for you; silly AM, if you need me to use a wish to somehow get heart of the fields on you a second time, there's something wrong with your build). HAVE MOVE ACTION LEFT, BARBARIAN HAVE REALLY BIG CHARGEAbsolutely true. However, I've still got all my spells up, and you've only got one sunder left. Chances are you're not going to hit me, and even if you do, you're not going to kill me (shield other from my cleric cohort, remember?).
The BAT is a Summoner with the mount synthesis, gaining such powers as the ability to become his summon and take it's abilities. He the takes a bunch of extra flight traits and a level of oracle for absurd perception bonuses.
...that's pretty much what I said. Either (no Leadership) a crummy bat, or (Leadership) a Summoner cohort who's a passable bat.
Given that this is a hypothetical argument, lets just say that the BARB and the BAT have been traveling together for a long while and are randomly assassinating CASTYs whenever they see them. Some wizards might have a Cleric Cohort, but not all will, and the BARB will still have his. We're trying to cover all the bases here.