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Let me recite something:
That's what I took away from it.
One big whammy up front 2d6.
A lingering wound 1d6.
The way we read it is both are bleed damage (which is over time) however with Boar Shred Even if they get healed once a round on their turn they start bleeding again.
So on round one you run in and hit with two attacks and cause 2d6 bleed. They get their turn and take 2d6 from the bleed then they take their action. The cleric readys to heal after you attack so you can't just cause more bleed so he heals the guy and he isnt bleeding now. His turn comes up and you deal 1d6 bleed from shred.
All bleed damage takes place on the bleeding characters turn.
Any magical healing or a DC 15 Heal check stops all of the bleed damage I'm currently aware of.
What makes this feat chain confusing is it produces two different bleed effects:
*Boar Style produces a one time effect that does 2d6 bleed damage. This takes place on the recipients first turn after being subject to the tear flesh attack.
*Boar Shred produces a 1d6 bleed effect that takes place on the recipients turn.
Since bleed effects don't stack the bleed damage from Boar Shred doesn't begin until after the Boar style bleed effect has resolved.
All bleed damage takes place on the bleeding characters turn.
Any magical healing or a DC 15 Heal check stops all of the bleed damage I'm currently aware of.What makes this feat chain confusing is it produces two different bleed effects:
*Boar Style produces a one time effect that does 2d6 bleed damage. This takes place on the recipients first turn after being subject to the tear flesh attack.
*Boar Shred produces a 1d6 bleed effect that takes place on the recipients turn.Since bleed effects don't stack the bleed damage from Boar Shred doesn't begin until after the Boar style bleed effect has resolved.
Bleed damage is damage over time as far as i know so the 2d6 happens every turn.
With shred its not you take 1d6 bleed its each turn take 1d6 bleed they cure last rounds but each round the wound opens back up.
Thats just how i DM it YMMV. However i did hit FAQ
Bleed doesn't stack, but it's not necessarily negated either.
If someone is taking two instances of 1d6 bleed (such as when hit by two boar monks), wouldn't he roll 2d6 and take the higher of the two rolls in damage?
Bleed doesn't stack, but it's not necessarily negated either.
If someone is taking two instances of 1d6 bleed (such as when hit by two boar monks), wouldn't he roll 2d6 and take the higher of the two rolls in damage?
Twice by the same monk no he wouldn't roll twice but thats for keeping things simple.
Two different monks he takes both since they are different sources at least IMHO. If it was ruled no then i would let both monks roll and take higher.
I always just assumed this was a really bad typo and they reversed Boar Style and Boar Shred.
Also possible though my players love my ruling since the monk can set up multiple enemies for bleed damage really quick.
Like I said thats how i ruled for my group don't know the offical stance as of yet.
Though like i said earlier I thought damage labeled bleed was always over time.
Bleed: A creature that is taking bleed damage takes
the listed amount of damage at the beginning of its turn.
Bleeding can be stopped by a DC 15 Heal check or through
the application of any spell that cures hit point damage
(even if the bleed is ability damage). Some bleed effects
cause ability damage or even ability drain. Bleed effects do
not stack with each other unless they deal different kinds
of damage. When two or more bleed effects deal the same
kind of damage, take the worse effect. In this case, ability
drain is worse than ability damage.
By this i would say that the 2d6 is every round which is why i went with my reading of shred that every round the monk is in the fight the wound opens back up.
Somehow i think Boar style is more like a rend, since you have to hit two times. Of course monks on level one get scary then, even if they have -1 to hit with flurry of blows. Lovely.
I'm just assuming that "bleed" is a damage type for this feat. It's so you can't boar shred whatever you want (weapons, furniture, items, etc.) for 2d6 more damage on it I guess. It also makes it useless versus undead, constructs and such and such.
That's just my take.
Bleed doesn't stack, but it's not necessarily negated either.
If someone is taking two instances of 1d6 bleed (such as when hit by two boar monks), wouldn't he roll 2d6 and take the higher of the two rolls in damage?
That's how it is usually handled.
I always just assumed this was a really bad typo and they reversed Boar Style and Boar Shred.
That's entirely possible.
Look at it in context as well; 2d6 bleed every turn is already a function of a Major Rogue Talent and the capstone (lvl 10) Duelist ability (I think). While I'm all for awesome Monk damage boosts, It seems unlikely that this type of damage was intended to be in the hands of a 3rd lvl character.
One shot bleed damage is not unprecedented; Belier's Bite ( A monk feat from Cheliax Empire of Devils grants a one shot 1d4 bleed effect to 1st level characters.
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the d6 wounds reopening even after being healed cannot possibly be right. If it were, then there would be absolutely no way to get rid of it. There is no end condition. If you get it off on someone then they need to get d6 healing every round for the rest of their life or bleed to death.
The way I've read it is that the 2D6 bleed damage is supposed to be a 1-time effect, and the designer used "bleed" as the damage type to indicate that it is physical damage but it still bypasses all damage resistance. Of course, this isn't what the feat actually says, but it is the only way I can make the feat make sense. Because 2d6 bleed damage from a 1st level character is WAY too much.
And Belier's Bite is not a 1-time effect bleed damage. That feat, like all things which cause bleed damage, causes the target to take that extra damage every round at the start of their turn until they receive magical healing or someone succeeds on a DC 15 heal check to staunch the wound.
I stand corrected.
So is there a one round bleed effect, I seem to remember one but am at a loss.
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I believe the difference with Boar Shred is that you can attack multiple creatures and cause them all 1d6 bleed.
If you decided to concentrate on only one enemy, if you hit twice then you can cause the 2d6 bleed, but if you only hit once you can still cause 1d6 bleed if you have Boar Shred.
It is a matter of do you try and give bleed to multiple creatures or only one.
I believe the difference with Boar Shred is that you can attack multiple creatures and cause them all 1d6 bleed.
If you decided to concentrate on only one enemy, if you hit twice then you can cause the 2d6 bleed, but if you only hit once you can still cause 1d6 bleed if you have Boar Shred.
It is a matter of do you try and give bleed to multiple creatures or only one.
Boar shred only triggers when you "tear flesh" which itself only happens when you hit with 2 or more unarmed strikes. You still have to hit twice to get the d6 bleed from boar shred.
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Let me recite something:
I just assumed that it was a really bad typo and that it was suppose to be 2D6 rend damage for the Boar style. It made sense to my group and I.
So some think its a typo and some think its different, but its still not really clear.
My two cents?
I'm playing a Monk 6/Rogue 1 and am using Boar Style now, getting the 2d6 bonus. I read it as 2d6 (one time) if you hit twice in a round. Boar Shred (which I don't have just yet) will be recurring 1d6 damage each round.
Boar Style is pretty nifty when combined with the Rogue sneak attack. <smirk>
My two cents?
I'm playing a Monk 6/Rogue 1 and am using Boar Style now, getting the 2d6 bonus. I read it as 2d6 (one time) if you hit twice in a round. Boar Shred (which I don't have just yet) will be recurring 1d6 damage each round.
Boar Style is pretty nifty when combined with the Rogue sneak attack. <smirk>
That's more or less how I'd rule it. What I would read into it being labled as bleed would be that DR doesn't apply to it.
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Well here's the thing, if the 2d6 from Style was continuous, why even both mentioning the 1d6 from Shred? It would defeat the purpose since bleed damage does not stack.
I'm fairly positive the INTENT is for the 2d6 to be a shallow wound tearing flesh, and the 1d6 to be a much deeper wound allowing continuous bleeding.
No RAW or FAQ on it yet though! Hopefully in a few months...
Somehow i think Boar style is more like a rend, since you have to hit two times. Of course monks on level one get scary then, even if they have -1 to hit with flurry of blows. Lovely.
I always assumed they meant rend for the style and actual bleed for shred. I imagine the author just got caught up and the mistake made it to print.
That is obviously not any sort of official interpretation.