No sane DM would ever allow this, but I found an interesting loophole within the rules:
Heat Dangers (between 90 and 110 F)
1 Fortitude saving throw each hour (DC 15, +1 for each previous check) or take 1d4 points of nonlethal damage.
A character who takes any nonlethal damage from heat exposure is fatigued. These penalties end when the character recovers from the nonlethal damage she took from the heat.
Healing Nonlethal Damage
You heal nonlethal damage at the rate of 1 hit point per hour per character level. When a spell of ability cures hit point damage, it also removes an equal amount of nonlethal damage.
So a 4th-level character wouldn't have to worry much about heat dangers between 90 and 110 F. ;)
sounds right. I live in arizona and that is the usual temp here it is livable.
I thought environmental non lethal couldn't be healed until you were no longer exposed to the environment.
I thought environmental non lethal couldn't be healed until you were no longer exposed to the environment.
Yeah you're right, I missed that part! It's even written in the first two lines under Heat Dangers.
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I had more a "Darth Vader wakes up in is new robotic suit and learns that Padmé is dead Noooooooooooo!" in head. :)
Since Heat Dangers deal untyped lethal damage when you're unconscious, it would seem that regenerating creatures could survive easily in a desert, "sleeping" during the day and hunting during the night, until they die from starvation or thirst, or until something eat them whole when they're unconscious. I think my PCs will stumble upon a dehydrated troll in the next desert adventure I'm planning for them. Looking dead and all dry during the day, it would raise up to hunt them at sunset. :P
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sounds right. I live in arizona and that is the usual temp here it is livable.
Exactly. If anything about the RAW is ridiculous, it's that 90 degrees is somehow considered hot enough to start doing non-lethal damage.
Entire cultures live in climates where the temperature doesn't drop below 110 degrees for months at a time. In a RAW world, these cultures would all go into a coma every summer.
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sounds right. I live in arizona and that is the usual temp here it is livable.Exactly. If anything about the RAW is ridiculous, it's that 90 degrees is somehow considered hot enough to start doing non-lethal damage.
Entire cultures live in climates where the temperature doesn't drop below 110 degrees for months at a time. In a RAW world, these cultures would all go into a coma every summer.
Heh, for me anything above 80 starts causing non-lethal damage, but I'm fine in short sleeves at 30 degrees. ;-)
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Heh, for me anything above 80 starts causing non-lethal damage, but I'm fine in short sleeves at 30 degrees. ;-)
I deployed to AB Balad for the hottest months of the summer, and returned to a Grand Forks ND that was just beginning to get it's chill on. Despite sitting on an asphalt runway during a blazingly sunny 130 degree 12 hour shift; and despite standing outside in a tshirt and sweatpants for about 45 minutes in -40 degree windy weather after I had a wreck; I never died of exposure. And I don't really consider myself to have more than 2-3 HD.
sounds right. I live in arizona and that is the usual temp here it is livable.Exactly. If anything about the RAW is ridiculous, it's that 90 degrees is somehow considered hot enough to start doing non-lethal damage.
Entire cultures live in climates where the temperature doesn't drop below 110 degrees for months at a time. In a RAW world, these cultures would all go into a coma every summer.
Do remember clothing, parasols, going inside (you know like most Arabic cultures do where they are more active in the evening, or the siesta of Spain and Mexico) all help mitigate heat exposure by not making you exposed for long periods. From what a buddy of mine once said if you live in Phoenix a pool is standard on a house or apartment just to provide relief from the heat. Aggressive hydration and electrolyte replacement (camelbaks and gatorade FTW) also mitigate heat exposue by lowering internal temperature. So no after picking tobacco in 90 degree weather, and considering all of the above, I disagree with you.
Edit: Also, by minimizing activity you minimize effects; kinda implied by the siesta thing but just to be explicit.
I will admit though its a bad mechanic to represent temperature exposure: heat stroke hypothermia and the like.
The heat mechanic also assumes that you are wearing armor. All the padding and metal heating up and no way to shed body heat will lead to significant risk of heat exhaustion above 90.
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Do remember clothing, parasols, going inside (you know like most Arabic cultures do where the are more active in the evening, or the siesta of Spain and Mexico) all help mitigate heat exposure by not making you exposed. From what a buddy of mine once said if you live in Phoenix a pool is standard on a house or apartment just to provide relief from the heat. aggressive hydration and electrolyte replacement (camelbaks and gatorade FTW) also mitigate heat exposue by lowering internal temperature. So no after picking tobacco in 90 degree weather, and considering all of the above, I disagree with you.
I will admit though its a bad mechanic to represent temperature exposure: heat stroke hypothermia and the like.
Well, to use my example of sitting on the runway of Balad for 12 hours, I didn't get to go inside, or even have any shade for most of that time. 12 hours X 1d4 per hour...12d4, average 30. We'll assume I'm an Expert with d8 HD. Assuming 8 hp for level 1 and an average of 4.5 for each additional level, I've got to be 6th level just to not lapse into a coma.
Given that Gandolf was only a 5th level wizard (YMMV), I feel pretty damned epic! Yeah, NPC class, but still...
The heat mechanic also assumes that you are wearing armor. All the padding and metal heating up and no way to shed body heat will lead to significant risk of heat exhaustion above 90.
+1, to the above and Dragonsong's post as well.
Every hour spent in sunlight exposure with temperatures over 80 requires you to drink another X oz of water above the daily 64 you supposedly "need." Dehydration is a much bigger deal in a setting where you can't stop at a convenience store off the highway to grab a designer bottle of filtered spring water. Unless I've missed it in a book (entirely possible), there's no sunblock. Sunburns can be nasty (most people have had one at least once, some worse than others), and every time you get one, it increases your chances of getting skin cancer.
It's unlikely that PCs will carry enough water to cover their needs for long periods of time barring spells or the Decanter. Those are both perfectly valid responses to the need for water, if the PCs think about them. Also, as noted above, shelter is crucial. It may still be 130 (F) in the shade, but with some kind of barrier between you and that giant UV bulb we call the Sun, you're a lot safer.
Non-lethal damage may not be the best way to do it, but it's not the worst. You could, if you prefer, start assigning penalties to various things, in addition to the fatigue condition. Maybe a Dodge Penalty? A penalty to attacks based on weapon "size" (light weapons -1, one handed -2, two-handed -3) due to weakness. Without proper hydration, your body weakens dramatically.
Do remember clothing, parasols, going inside (you know like most Arabic cultures do where the are more active in the evening, or the siesta of Spain and Mexico) all help mitigate heat exposure by not making you exposed. From what a buddy of mine once said if you live in Phoenix a pool is standard on a house or apartment just to provide relief from the heat. aggressive hydration and electrolyte replacement (camelbaks and gatorade FTW) also mitigate heat exposue by lowering internal temperature. So no after picking tobacco in 90 degree weather, and considering all of the above, I disagree with you.
I will admit though its a bad mechanic to represent temperature exposure: heat stroke hypothermia and the like.
Well, to use my example of sitting on the runway of Balad for 12 hours, I didn't get to go inside, or even have any shade for most of that time. 12 hours X 1d4 per hour...12d4, average 30. We'll assume I'm an Expert with d8 HD. Assuming 8 hp for level 1 and an average of 4.5 for each additional level, I've got to be 6th level just to not lapse into a coma.
Given that Gandolf was only a 5th level wizard (YMMV), I feel pretty damned epic! Yeah, NPC class, but still...
No all you had to do was make the fort checks and as a soldier lets assume your fort save is a good progression. Did you engage in activity or were you still? Did you drink lots of fluids? Those seem like hefty circumstance bonuses to the fort check. Non activity might even make the check every 2 hours instead of one like folks on the beach might be doing. Even making a few of the forts reduces how much you take. Do you have the endurance feat, seems like thats what basic training all those full pack marches and such actually gives you, your MOS gives you the other stuff.
Endurance
Harsh conditions or long exertions do not easily tire you.Benefit: You gain a +4 bonus on the following checks and saves: Swim checks made to resist nonlethal damage from exhaustion; Constitution checks made to continue running; Constitution checks made to avoid nonlethal damage from a forced march; Constitution checks made to hold your breath; Constitution checks made to avoid nonlethal damage from starvation or thirst; Fortitude saves made to avoid nonlethal damage from hot or cold environments; and Fortitude saves made to resist damage from suffocation.
You may sleep in light or medium armor without becoming fatigued.
Normal: A character without this feat who sleeps in medium or heavier armor is fatigued the next day.
2nd level is a +3 plus CON mod say 1 +2-4 circumstance, +4 non typed from the feat so thats a +10-12 vs 15+1 per previous check not that difficult actually for the first few hours.
Etiher that or you have conclusively put to bed the major conceit of E6 game play and it should be burned to the ground as you are a 6+ HD basic human not Aragorn Jason of the Golden fleece or the like.
Come to think of it...
Yes you must be a 6+ HD NPC class that other stuff I mentioned disregard so we can kill E6 play.
Stuff.
Given your military background, I would think that you would be more sensitive to the dangers of exposure. I know that Air Force basic training flights won't go out for parade drill if the temp is 85 or higher, and the drill never lasted more than a couple of hours. The military is very strict about exposure and 'hydration schedules.'
stuff about me being 6+ HD and killing E6.I prefer to assume that I am a god amongst men.
Don't we all.
Ohh and I'll see you at the Gods Allthing this weekend.