Halfling Barbarian?


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Yeah I said it.
Str-13
Dex-16
Con-12
Int-10
Wis 10
Cha-11
I was looking at taking Point Blank shot and using a halfling sling as my primary weapon. However, I like the idea of using a war hammer and shield with this guy too, so I can use the savage barbarian archetype. Has anyone else played one before? My last character was a Half-elven oracle, so I thought I would switch it up. For later rage powers I am interested in using the elemental type barbarian powers. Just looking for any other ideas.


Might I cordially recommend a mounted barbarian?

You're no gnome, but you get the equivalent of a medium-sized character that can still use the beautiful thing that is Pounce, Spirited Charge, a Lance, and Rage.


That sounds fun. I've played one before, but that was in a Halfling campaign, and starting at a higher level I mixed it with Sorcerer to be self-buffing.

I'd personally swap the dex and str around as I would make him primarily a melee character. Maybe drop everything else a little to boost Con a bit more - fatigue when Rage runs out can become a liability. I always take the Extra Rage feat with a Barbarian.

Can I suggest a Riding Dog and lance? Charge in for double damage and improved speed. Then drop the lance and attack with your warhammer.

For a bit of flavour, see how long you can go without getting off the dog.

Take a crossbow, maximum stealth ranks, and look for sniping whilst prone. Roll behind a bush for cover.

Keep us all up to date with how it goes in play.


Neither ranged atack nor sword and shield styles are good for barbarian because there is no barbarian rage that improve your capacity in neither those styles, definitely the best option to small sized barbarian are the mounted route

[url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/mounted-fury[/url].

Shadow Lodge

Hiro wrote:

Yeah I said it.

Str-13
Dex-16
Con-12
Int-10
Wis 10
Cha-11
I was looking at taking Point Blank shot and using a halfling sling as my primary weapon. However, I like the idea of using a war hammer and shield with this guy too, so I can use the savage barbarian archetype. Has anyone else played one before? My last character was a Half-elven oracle, so I thought I would switch it up. For later rage powers I am interested in using the elemental type barbarian powers. Just looking for any other ideas.

just throwing this out there... for wow factor you might want to do a titan mauler. just think of how frikin scary it would be seeing a 3 foot tall, bipolar,barbarian in a loincloth, foaming at the mouth, wielding 2 great swords (small size but still they would be bigger then bastard swords).

but to answer your question, savage barbarian is a pretty cool concept for role play, i dont know how good it would be in practice.

Liberty's Edge

thesidekick wrote wrote:
just throwing this out there... for wow factor you might want to do a titan mauler. just think of how frikin scary it would be seeing a 3 foot tall, bipolar,barbarian in a loincloth, foaming at the mouth, wielding 2 great swords (small size but still they would be bigger then bastard swords).

there are no words to describe how much I want to play that character right now

Sovereign Court

I have a Barogue going right now. Barbarian 2/Rogue 4 and he is an absolute joy to play. I went with a small greatsword and halfling slingstaff for weapons.

str 14
dex 19 (+2 item)
con 16 +1 lvl 4
int 10
wis 10
cha 9

feats:
Dodge
Raging Vitality
Power attack

Took the scout rogue archetype so I can apply sneak attack when I charge. Not really an optimizer at heart so I am sure this could be better but I haven't had any trouble yet.


If I switch my stats I will have the following;
str-12
dex-17
because I ge the minus 2 for str Is weapon finesse worth it? I do like the mounted idea with my war dog. War pig maybe?

Sczarni

It seems like every melee class has a Finesse build that a vocal section of players insist is superior to a Strength-based build. Here's the breakdown as I see it.

Pro-Finesse:
~Barbarians don't get heavy armor. Dex is AC as well as to hit with Finesse, so you'll want it anyway.
~As a Halfling, you get +2 Dex, -2 Str, so Finesse lets you make the most of your good stat.
~Dex is also the stat you use for ranged weapons, so going Finesse will make you better with ranged weapons as well.

Pro-Strength:
~Weapon Finesse costs you a feat. You're not a Human and you're not a Fighter, so you don't have a lot of extra feats to burn.
~Weapon Finesse limits you to light weapons, unless you want to burn another feat for proficiency with a spiked chain or whip. This means you'll be wielding a weapon that hits for a d4.
~Even with Finesse, you still add Str to damage, so you'll have great +hit, but each hit will do crap damage.
~When you Rage, you get +4 to Str, but no Dex bonus. Barbarians are designed to make good use of high Strength, and using Finesse means you don't get as much benefit from Rage as you would otherwise.

Personally, I wouldn't go for Finesse, but it's your call in the end.


Hiro wrote:

If I switch my stats I will have the following;

str-12
dex-17
because I ge the minus 2 for str Is weapon finesse worth it? I do like the mounted idea with my war dog. War pig maybe?

Go dervish dance and enchant your enemies with your body.


I like this enough to create one.

Question though: Does Jotungrip 'stack' with Massive Weapons?
Can I use a Medium sized Halberd in one hand?
What will be the net penalties?

If not, then it seems that they are almost in conflict. It would be the only example I can think of where you must choose X or Y from your class features.


Nicos wrote:

Neither ranged atack nor sword and shield styles are good for barbarian because there is no barbarian rage that improve your capacity in neither those styles, definitely the best option to small sized barbarian are the mounted route

[url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/mounted-fury[/url].

Slings add strength to damage and don't have a strength rating like composite bows. If you can spare the feats to reload as a free action a barbarian slinger is going to put out some serious damage.


Atarlost wrote:
Nicos wrote:

Neither ranged atack nor sword and shield styles are good for barbarian because there is no barbarian rage that improve your capacity in neither those styles, definitely the best option to small sized barbarian are the mounted route

[url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/mounted-fury[/url].

Slings add strength to damage and don't have a strength rating like composite bows. If you can spare the feats to reload as a free action a barbarian slinger is going to put out some serious damage.

I don´t say that is a bad idea to use a sling but it should not be their primary weapon, if you want to use ranged weapong chose to be a fighter instead of barbarian you will have a lot of feats to spare in your combat style.

but what barbarian rage encourage the use of a sling? half of the bonus from being barbarian will be wasted if you don´t use the barbarian rage with enough frecuency


If you're interested in going with a Dexterity-heavy build, go check out the Urban Barbarian from Ultimate Combat. Its specialized rage allows you to take a Dexterity buff instead of a Strength buff if you want it.

I, personally, am nabbing the Titan Mauler halfling from this thread for an NPC or two ... :)


If you played in Eberron, there are a lot of dino riding halfling barbarians.


xorial wrote:
If you played in Eberron, there are a lot of dino riding halfling barbarians.

No such luck. We play a Forgotten Realms setting, but over the past twenty years our old characters have changed the traditional FR. I am going to stick with the halfling sling staff as my primary weapon, so I can range attack before the rage and then commence the beat down in melee. I am going to carry a medium sized great axe as back up and intimidation. I am going with power attack as my opening feat.

Liberty's Edge

If you do go with the weapon finesse urban build, the agile enchantment and piranha strike can keep your damage high.


ShadowcatX wrote:
If you do go with the weapon finesse urban build, the agile enchantment and piranha strike can keep your damage high.

What and where is that feat? I could not find it in the prd.

Sczarni

Nicos wrote:


I don´t say that is a bad idea to use a sling but it should not be their primary weapon, if you want to use ranged weapong chose to be a fighter instead of barbarian you will have a lot of feats to spare in your combat style.

but what barbarian rage encourage the use of a sling? half of the bonus from being barbarian will be wasted if you don´t use the barbarian rage with enough frecuency

I don't think there's a specific rage power that encourages you to use a sling, but Rage gives you a Strength bonus. The sling is the only ranged weapon that lets you add Strength to damage, so using a sling instead of a bow or crossbow lets you get the most out of your enhanced Strength score.

In theory, a throwing weapon could do the same for you, but then you have to go pick it up. If you don't want to spend the money on getting a returning weapon or a composite bow with a high enough strength rating, or spend a feat on Throw Anything, a sling is probably the best ranged weapon for a character with lots of Strength.

Dark Archive

Hiro wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:
If you do go with the weapon finesse urban build, the agile enchantment and piranha strike can keep your damage high.

What and where is that feat? I could not find it in the prd.

piranha strike:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/piranha-strike-combat

It's basically Power Attack for Weapon Finesse Characters.

The Agile Weapon Enhancement is from the new Field Guide: it allows you to use DEX for damage, rather than strength.

Description: Agile weapons are unusually well balanced and responsive. A wielder with the Weapon Finesse feat can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier. This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons. The agile weapon enhancement can only be placed on melee weapons that are usable with the Weapon Finesse feat.

Dark Archive

Hiro wrote:

Yeah I said it.

Str-13
Dex-16
Con-12
Int-10
Wis 10
Cha-11
I was looking at taking Point Blank shot and using a halfling sling as my primary weapon. However, I like the idea of using a war hammer and shield with this guy too, so I can use the savage barbarian archetype. Has anyone else played one before? My last character was a Half-elven oracle, so I thought I would switch it up. For later rage powers I am interested in using the elemental type barbarian powers. Just looking for any other ideas.

Not sure what point cost you are using for the build, but if you are using a 20 point buy you can go 15STR/14DEX/14CON/10INT/10WIS/12CHA -- and that works pretty well for a STR-based halfling.

If you are using a 15 point buy you can drop the CHA to 10 and the CON to 12 (similar to your proposed build): 15STR/14DEX/12CON/10INT/10WIS/10CHA.

If you can get a +2STR belt by level 4, you'll be at 18 STR (with the +1 bump at level 4) -- which means 22 STR when you are raging. That ain't too shabby! Going the DEX route works, but it's a lot of extra feats and specific magic items - and IMO it's not as cool as a muscle-bound little Halfling running around with a 22 STR!
;)

Silver Crusade

I'm currently playing a halfling barbarian going with the intend of becoming an unknowing rage prophet of Rovagug (It's a long story) in a Carrion Crown campaign, and he's been quite a joy to play thus far. My stat line is almost exactly what Argus posted, only I dropped Wis by two and upped Cha by the same in anticipation of oracle levels. Every will save in an adventure, but I certainly have had no complaints.

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