Optimize me a character to become a vampire.


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Yup, the title pretty much says it. I want to see what you guys can come up with for a character that will eventually become a vampire. I'm interested in what classes/races work well with a vampire.

Not many rules here, folks. Show a snapshot of your build (if you have one) at level 3, as that is the level I'm starting at in an upcoming game.

Have at it!


here is some advice.

Take a Human Sorcerer as your base, Dump Con, Max out Cha, borrow a few endearing anime tropes, get bit as soon as possible, save your defensive feats for until after you get them for free as a vampire. use favored class bonus for extra spells known, get items that use negative energy. focus on battlefield control, buffing and summoning spells. take a summoning focused bloodline. don't forget haste and glitterdust.

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the level adjustment for vamps is steep. After a fair bit of analysis, vamps can be outdone with many other builds.

Consider however a charisma based build, as it boosts your deflection bonus. Consider Wetlands stoic. One level of Wizard for arcane object.

Mix in levels of Oracle, heavens with awesome display using color spray, double dipping on the charisma effect.

Consider two levels of antipaladin for the boost to saves (now tripple dipping on your charisma).

Worship Urgothoa, and have the pallid crystal letting you heal with cure light wounds.


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the level adjustment for vamps is steep. After a fair bit of analysis, vamps can be outdone with many other builds.

Consider however a charisma based build, as it boosts your deflection bonus. Consider Wetlands stoic. One level of Wizard for arcane object.

Mix in levels of Oracle, heavens with awesome display using color spray, double dipping on the charisma effect.

Consider two levels of antipaladin for the boost to saves (now tripple dipping on your charisma).

Worship Urgothoa, and have the pallid crystal letting you heal with cure light wounds.

Pathfinder changed the monsters as PCs rules. now for CRs (or CR adjustments) of 1 and higher. you treat the CR (Or CR Adjustment) as the new ECL unit. and every 3 levels, you get a free level (with an ECL drop) equal to a maximimum number of times equal to half the total monster Adjusted CR over 1 (Base CR and Templates). so a human pathfinder vampire is 2 levels behind until level 3 where they are 1 level behind perpetually. you can find it in an odd section of the Bestiary.


Well, for a vampire just about any class that uses charisma as its primary attribute is really nice, since you can pump charisma to the roof and it'll serve double, if not triple or quadruple, duty.

A paladin-based build could make for some interesting role-play, especially trying to balance the need to feed with the code of conduct. Bonus points for the pal/sor/EK setup (charisma, your one-stop shop for awesome!).

A blind, dark tapestry oracle could make for a fun time, too. Better yet, oracle/sorcerer/theurge. Pestilence, starsoul, or boreal bloodlines would fit that very well. Needless to say, straight oracle or straight sorcerer would work well.

With the ability to dump str and con, and with the vampire's stat boosts, a bard/duelist could be feasible and very fun. Archeologist or dervish dancer would fit that quite well. You get half the bloody prerequisites for free!

If it's allowed, two words: mysterious stranger. Tricked to the gills, but a little too Hellsing for my taste.

Synthesist summoner would fit very well too, especially if you play up the whole "beast within" thing vampires have going on in popular fiction.

For the darker side of role-play, a vivisectionist alchemist could be cool, too. You play with your food. Careful with this one, you may catch yourself veering a bit too heavy on the Shelley side of things and leaving no scenery for the other players to chew.


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the Anime Cliche i was talking about. i had a Fetchling Bard who was a Flanderization of this trope.


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Or, if you really feel like being a jerk, trick the crap out of your strength, go elf ranger, and dual wield falcatas.

The Elf Ranger With More Cheese than &$*#ing Wisconsin:

Cheesy-Ass Ranger 3
Str 17 Dex 15 Con 5 (awww yeah!) Int 9 Wis 12 Cha 16

Feats (at level 2): Exotic Cheese Proficiency (falcata) (1), Two-Cheese Fighting (2), Power Cheese (3)

Raise str at 4 and keep that sucker flyin'. At level 12, assuming you're envampenated:

Cheese 26(!) Dex 19 Con -- Int 11 Wis 14 Cha 20

More feats: Double Cheese (5), Improved Two-Cheese Fighting (6), Cheesy Assault (7), Improved Cheesical (9), Greater Two-Cheese Fighting (10), Two-Cheese Rend (11)

Your basic unbuffed attack, assuming dual +2 cheese-catas and a +4 enhancement to strength (low-balling it on gear):

+16/+11/+6/+16/+11/+6 (d8+20, 17-20 x3) (rend, d10+15)

Buffed up and such, against favored enemies, you're looking more realistically (ballparking it) at:

+26/+26/+21/+16/+26/+21/+16 (d8+30, 17-20 x3) (rend, d10+15)

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I've seen it, and its disgusting in use... Vampire Nymph Zen Archer Monk. I don't know the stats, but it was used against us in an arena match and was just disturbing.

Edit: Sorry, I just saw you said level 3 which I do believe counts this out entirely.

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Is your GM using The old-school Savage Species to do it? Basically are you paying the 8 level adjustments?

Like, a fighting-type (especially magus) benefits the most; being stuck on BAB for that many levels kinda sucks though. Optimally you'd dump Con, since it is free points.


Halfling
Dump constitution it does nothing for you.
Max charisma
Take 4 levels of anti-paladin for the important saves vs channel and other spells
Take 1 level of Sorcerer with maybe the dragon bloodline
Take dragon disciple prestige class

crunch and slash everything


Bard - Arcane Duelist or Dervish Dancer maybe? You'll make good use of the STR and Charisma bonus.

The Animal Speaker is also very flavorfull if you want to summon a lot of swarms and wolves (including the ones you get just because you're a vampire) and inspire courage to your beasts by howling creepy slavic warsongs to them. That would be my choice anyway.

Dump CON, get high STR, and start with a good CHA (you'll get +4 being a Vampire, and you only need 16, but as you get you HP from CHA, maybe try to aim for a little more)


Wewt, thanks for all the suggestions, folks! I probably won't be playing a vamp thanks to the "congratulations, you're evil now!" aspect of becoming one.

I'm planning on becoming a necromancy cleric and, now that I think about it, I could probably abuse my vampy charisma with channel energy. Hmmm.


make an Elf monk. enough said.


BeeKeepers wrote:

Wewt, thanks for all the suggestions, folks! I probably won't be playing a vamp thanks to the "congratulations, you're evil now!" aspect of becoming one.

I'm planning on becoming a necromancy cleric and, now that I think about it, I could probably abuse my vampy charisma with channel energy. Hmmm.

Honestly, the "automagically evil" aspect of the vampire template is stupid. Most GM's I personally know waive that requirement and shift especially in the case of a vampire PC.

Now, don't get me wrong. Vampires, as undead still are negative energy beings and the need to feed and such certainly play well and generally cause characters to invariably shift to evil...over time. You'll certainly have an evil aura being a negative energy being one way or another. But, poofing into existence evil doesn't play very well; after all, this isn't exactly Buffy the Vampire Slayer where vampires are essentially demons that retain memories and aspects of the dead's personality.

Likewise, vampire PC's ought to have the freedom to play whatever alignment they choose. It can be a nifty role-playing challenge and experience, especially if you're role-playing a fall or a desperate attempt to cling to the heroism and good of the character's former life.


Eacaraxe wrote:
BeeKeepers wrote:
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Honestly, the "automagically evil" aspect of the vampire template is stupid. Most GM's I personally know waive that requirement and shift especially in the case of a vampire PC.

Now, don't get me wrong. Vampires, as undead still are negative energy beings and the need to feed and such certainly play well and generally cause characters to invariably shift to evil...over time. You'll certainly have an evil aura being a negative energy being one way or another. But, poofing into existence evil doesn't play very well; after all, this isn't exactly Buffy the Vampire Slayer where vampires are essentially demons that retain memories and aspects of the dead's personality.

Likewise, vampire PC's ought to have the freedom to play whatever alignment they choose. It can be a nifty role-playing challenge and experience, especially if you're role-playing a fall or a desperate attempt to cling to the heroism and good of the character's former life.

Okay, you made me just seriously reconsider making a vampire. In fact, I'm gonna scurry off and do just that, and I'll probably quote you if my DM has any doubts.


By the way, what would be the lowest level my human could be to become a vampire? I'm not totally sure I understand the rules for CR and class levels.


BeeKeepers wrote:
By the way, what would be the lowest level my human could be to become a vampire? I'm not totally sure I understand the rules for CR and class levels.

Says right in the description: "can be added to any living creature with 5 or more Hit Dice..." So 5th.


BeeKeepers wrote:
By the way, what would be the lowest level my human could be to become a vampire? I'm not totally sure I understand the rules for CR and class levels.

The threshold for vampire creation is level 5. Anything less and they just become vampire spawn.

Level adjustment is going to be up to your GM, the rules on CR and level adjustments are a bit...whacked. Really, it depends on party power level, APL, race/class, and campaign power level, and it's something your GM is going to have to feel out and adjust on the fly.

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