I am thinking about making the switch to PF from 4e and had a few questions about the APs.
1) Do all the APs start at 1st level?
2) I read that they typically end in the mid-teens level-wise. Is this true for all of them?
3) Is the AP a complete campaign from 1-15 (or so), or does the AP expect that the DM will fill in details at certain spots. I know a DM could always add in other stuff I was just curious if that was an expectation or the AP writers.
4) I assume these APs are set in the PF core world. Do I need addition products about the core world to use these APs or does the AP have all the world info I need?
5) I assume the APs wouldn't that hard to port to other setting. Is that correct?
I am thinking about making the switch to PF from 4e and had a few questions about the APs.
Hi there, I made the switch awhile ago and I haven't looked back since.
1) Do all the APs start at 1st level?
Generally they do all start at 1st level so far.
2) I read that they typically end in the mid-teens level-wise. Is this true for all of them?
They are designed usually to get characters to 15th level but depending on any extra adventuring or just how they get through all the adventures they can end up higher.
3) Is the AP a complete campaign from 1-15 (or so), or does the AP expect that the DM will fill in details at certain spots. I know a DM could always add in other stuff I was just curious if that was an expectation or the AP writers.
From my experience I would say they are very complete, but players do the occasional crazy thing that might require some additional work.
4) I assume these APs are set in the PF core world. Do I need addition products about the core world to use these APs or does the AP have all the world info I need?
Yes the APs are set in Golarion (so far). Do you need additional material? Not really but the campaign setting is really well written and it does help bring the APs alive with the added material.
Oh Golarion is the name of the world in Pathfinder.
5) I assume the APs wouldn't that hard to port to other setting. Is that correct?
I don't think it would be all that hard just as it not all that difficult to bring stuff into Pathfinder.
Please feel free to ask more questions if you have any.
Hi there, I made the switch awhile ago and I haven't looked back since.
It wouldn't be a permanent move. I have played 4e for the last two years and want to try something different. I have a little experience with 3.5 but not much so PF would be a new world to explore.
Please feel free to ask more questions if you have any.
Thanks.
Pretty much you can just shuffle a few towns and locations around and place the APs anywhere in your world.
I've even shuffled some AP adventures around to other areas in Golarion.
(Right now, my gf is playing Trial of the Beast set in a "new" city in the River Kingdoms...)
Pretty much to move them, your campaign needs:
ROTR: coastal town, larger city nearby, some mountains, and a big lake in the hills
COCT: Major corrupt city, orc-ridden ruins
SD: Small, lawless town, elven villages, Coastal Island, lots of dark elves
LOF: mountain/desert town
COT: large city in its nadir with a decent culture
KM: BArely explored forested lands to be colonized
SSkull: tropical islands and jungle with old ruins and savage natives
CCrown: Transylvania-like nation with several gothic towns and a decent large lake nearby
Pretty much, all of them are transportable to another world.
But Golarion is SOO COOOOL!
When you start a subscription does it start with the last product to be released or the next product to br released? In other words if I started a subscription today would it start with the Jade Regent #1 or #2?
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When you start a subscription does it start with the last product to be released or the next product to br released? In other words if I started a subscription today would it start with the Jade Regent #1 or #2?
You can choose to either one. So if you wanted to get Jade Regent #1 you can, and if you already bought it or it was gifted to you, you can start with #2.
When you start a subscription does it start with the last product to be released or the next product to br released? In other words if I started a subscription today would it start with the Jade Regent #1 or #2?You can choose to either one. So if you wanted to get Jade Regent #1 you can, and if you already bought it or it was gifted to you, you can start with #2.
Thanks. It looks like I will be able tosubscribe at the Paizo booth at Gen Con this weekend. I will decid what I am doing by then.
It wouldn't be a permanent move. I have played 4e for the last two years and want to try something different. I have a little experience with 3.5 but not much so PF would be a new world to explore.
In that case I'd definitely recommend subscribing - it wont be a loss even if you return to 4th edition later (and the Jade Regent path may well be useful given the upcoming Oriental Adventures reprise from WoTC).
We play 4th edition, but I use Paizo adventures exclusively when I DM. They are (imo) far better than most of the 4th edition adventures available and they dont require much effort to convert (just tweak the monster numbers from time to time, come up with a few skill challenges and reskin the golarion-specific monsters to some level appropriate D&D creature).
We play 4th edition, but I use Paizo adventures exclusively when I DM. They are (imo) far better than most of the 4th edition adventures available and they dont require much effort to convert (just tweak the monster numbers from time to time, come up with a few skill challenges and reskin the golarion-specific monsters to some level appropriate D&D creature).
Same here. There are quite a few of us here who do exactly this.
Good point. I do use a lot of old 1e adventures with 4e.
I am officially now a subscriber. :)
Okay here's another one. Roughly how many hours of game time does it take to get through one AP book? I know it will vary I am just looking for averages or reasonable ranges. Thanks.
Okay here's another one. Roughly how many hours of game time does it take to get through one AP book? I know it will vary I am just looking for averages or reasonable ranges. Thanks.
For Kingmaker it took us 96 hours, without the kingdom sessions*, it should have taken us more but the situation was kinda weird.
*kingdom sessions were the session we did nothing else but play the kingdom phases.
Okay here's another one. Roughly how many hours of game time does it take to get through one AP book? I know it will vary I am just looking for averages or reasonable ranges. Thanks.
For my group, who basically plays the book and doesn't deviate very often, it takes us about 12-15 hours of game time to finish up one book of any given AP.
Okay here's another one. Roughly how many hours of game time does it take to get through one AP book? I know it will vary I am just looking for averages or reasonable ranges. Thanks.
Not an easy question, especially for our group, which has a high signal-to-noise ratio (or is it low? What I mean to say is that we have a lot of non-related talk during sessions).
In general, I'd say you can finish a book in 4 4-hour-sessions, so it's something like 15-16 hours per book.
Of course, if you have lengthy "roleplay"/socialisation sessions, it will be more.
Right now we're playing Kingmaker, and the group likes the kingdom building aspect, so this one will probably take us longer than others, what with all the planning.
There's some speed-demons on this thread. For my group, when we're "cranking", we can get a book done in 6 sessions of 5 hours each. More often 8 sessions. So that's 40 hours per book for us. Much longer on the later books (as high-level combats take extra long for us).
We tend to waste valuable table-time doing things like shopping for loot and leveling up. Players don't seem to have time outside of game to take care of that stuff...
There's some speed-demons on this thread. For my group, when we're "cranking", we can get a book done in 6 sessions of 5 hours each. More often 8 sessions. So that's 40 hours per book for us. Much longer on the later books (as high-level combats take extra long for us).
That's also closer to the time we've been needing to run an AP. It took my group and I about 200 hours to finish our Legacy of Fire campaign. We've since started Kingmaker, and it looks like this is going to take way more time. We've recently started book 3 whilst we've already been playing for about 100 hours.