Cleave as a ranged attack

[Morris Chan]

is there a feat that works similiar to cleave but for ranged weapons? without taking rapid shot and many shot

[Phasics]

Morris Chan wrote:

is there a feat that works similiar to cleave but for ranged weapons? without taking rapid shot and many shot

rules aside how would that even work ?

Arrow hits a creature then bounces and hits another ?

[Fallen_Mage]

Phasics wrote:

rules aside how would that even work ?

Arrow hits a creature then bounces and hits another ?

Actually it would be more of a line effect. The arrow going straight through one target and into the one behind it. For thrown weapons, slings, and guns you could possibly ricochet it. Regardless, if I were to homebrew such a feat, I would only make it go to one extra target. In other words, no Great Cleave equivalent.

[karkon]

The feat is already called Manyshot. In many ways it is better than cleave. You get the extra attack without having to connect on the first. Opponents do not need to even be close to each other. You do not need to be near the opponents.

[ProfPotts]

The Crossbowman Fighter archetype from the APG (page 104) gets the Penetrating Shot class feature at level 19, allowing him to fire a bolt through one target and into another on a confirmed critical (and it keeps going through targets, in a line, as long as you keep confirming criticals).

The Rivals Guide (on page 23) re-introduces the Serpent's Lash and Greater Serpent's Lash Feats which allow a cleave-ish style use of disarms and trips with a whip.

[Blave]

karkon wrote:

The feat is already called Manyshot. In many ways it is better than cleave. You get the extra attack without having to connect on the first. Opponents do not need to even be close to each other. You do not need to be near the opponents.

Uhm... Manyshot allows you to fire 2 arrows at he same time, but both hit the same target. And both use the same attack roll, so if one misses, the other one won't hit either.

Unless of course you are thinking of Rapid Shot which allows an additional attack with a seperate arrow that can also be targeted at another enemy.

[Westbrook87]

One thing you may not have noticed: by RAW, Cleave and Great Cleave can be used on ranged weapons. All the feat says is that the enemies you are trying to hit must be adjacent, and within reach.

[Eridan]

Westbrook87 wrote:

One thing you may not have noticed: by RAW, Cleave and Great Cleave can be used on ranged weapons...

The Fluff part ('You can strike two adjacent foes with a single swing') and the prerequisites ('Str 13, Power Attack') make clear that cleave only works for melee attacks. It is badly written but the RAI behind the feat is clear if you read the description of the whole feat.

[Chemlak]

Also, ranged weapons have no reach, they have range. Only melee weapons have reach.

[Drakkiel]

Master Thrower PrC had a trick to hit multiple enemies with thrown weapons...can't think of anything from PF though

[carn]

archer fighter archetype has at lev 15 i think a 15ft area arrow attack.

arcane archer can attack up to 10 targets in range at once. Thats closest to cleave.

[Kazaan]

Westbrook87 wrote:

One thing you may not have noticed: by RAW, Cleave and Great Cleave can be used on ranged weapons. All the feat says is that the enemies you are trying to hit must be adjacent, and within reach.

Reach doesn't exist for ranged attacks. They don't even have a reach of 'zero'... they have a reach of '--'. They have range, though, but Cleave doesn't say make an attack against a target "in range".

[Strannik]

Arrow Eruption is probably the closest you're going to get.