Hello I had a question about the preservationist. The ability says to use the spell for most purposes so i am guessing that it is still a 1 round casting time but i am not sure. All extracts a standard action as far as i know and i am not sure if it is a 1 round casting time how it would interact if the alchemist was attacked while trying to cast it. Please help thanx!!
I know not everyone has the book yet, might try again in a few days.
Without any specific guidance from the devs I best to just assume same casting time as the spell.
So...it takes a whole 6 seconds to pour like an ounce of liquid out of a prepared vial?
Sorry for the thread necro but this is an issue that will come up in an upcoming game.
I think we need a dev response on this.
I'd say "as per spell" is pretty specific a guidance. I mean, it's not a Summoner's Summon Monster line of class features; you just add the said spells onto the formula book no more, no less.
I'd say "as per spell" is pretty specific a guidance. I mean, it's not a Summoner's Summon Monster line of class features; you just add the said spells onto the formula book no more, no less.
But the way they cast is different. they cast "as if imbibing a potion." Now the preservationist says "When the alchemist opens the bottle..." which is a standard action for a potion.
Even though an Alchemist's Extracts are "cast" by drinking the extract, it still takes the required amount of time to mix/drink/whatever the preparation. For example, an Alchemist would not cast Sending (10 minute casting time) as a standard action just because it's an extract.
Also, if the description of opening the bottle can be considered a vital part of determining the casting time, then the time it takes for the creature to fully grow and animate should also be considered- the time of which is given in the same sentence as being "per spell" (1 round).
Even though an Alchemist's Extracts are "cast" by drinking the extract, it still takes the required amount of time to mix/drink/whatever the preparation. For example, an Alchemist would not cast Sending (10 minute casting time) as a standard action just because it's an extract.
Also, if the description of opening the bottle can be considered a vital part of determining the casting time, then the time it takes for the creature to fully grow and animate should also be considered- the time of which is given in the same sentence as being "per spell" (1 round).
Touche, spiderman. I did not think of that.
You can see that it took me 15 minutes to track down all the wordings though. 'twas a tough discussion ;)
Hello I had a question about the preservationist. The ability says to use the spell for most purposes so i am guessing that it is still a 1 round casting time but i am not sure. All extracts a standard action as far as i know and i am not sure if it is a 1 round casting time how it would interact if the alchemist was attacked while trying to cast it. Please help thanx!!
I think all extracts take a standard action (APG):
An extract is “cast” by drinking it, as if imbibing a potion—the effects of an extract exactly duplicate the spell upon which its formula is based, save that the spell always affects only the drinking
alchemist. An alchemist can draw and drink an extract as a
standard action.
I thought an example that was given was lesser restoration, which takes 3 rounds for a caster but a standard action for an alchemist, just like enlarge person.
From the FAQ
What kind of action is it for an alchemist to use an extract, mutagen, or throw a bomb?
It is a standard action to use an extract, mutagen, or throw a bomb. This action includes retrieving the necessary materials from the alchemist's supplies, in the same manner as retrieving a material component is included in the act of spellcasting.
—Sean K Reynolds, 08/31/10 Back to Top
It is one of the few benefits an alchemist gets when it comes to casting spells, i mean drinking extracts...
Well, if that's the developer's official stance then I stand corrected.
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So, it's a standard action to summon/unbottle and you must do so into an adjacent space. That is a fair trade-off.
Does the growing/animating creature then get to make a full round of actions the same turn it is summoned?
I can make two arguments for why this "oughtn't" be so: 1) it takes time to grow/animate and 2) by the time the preservationist has completed his action the round is half over.
A fair compromise would be to treat the creature as staggered on the round it it summoned. How do other folks run this? I am interested in both "official" and "unofficial" positions. thanks.
(looking here only helped a little)
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Rub-Eta,
1) I know - so what? (Or more constructive: do you know of a "current"-er thread where this is being debated?)
2) As I want both "official" and "unofficial"/homebrew solutions, I thought I'd ask here where emphasis is on RAW/RAI as you say. I was hoping the community could embrace the technicality/duality.
3) Do you have an "official" source to back up your claim?
Thanks you for your fast response tone notwithstanding.
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This is no different than someone drinking a potion of alter self - they don't drink the potion in a standard action and then have to wait for effects to physically alter their form, nor are they staggered while the transformation takes place.
Good point.
It seems like you don't want this to be the case, which is fine, but it's a value judgement. As is, there isn't much ambiguous about the ability.
As the DM, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so no, I don't have a particular bias. That said, because of the break from "traditional" casting, both thematically ("unbottle and grow") and mechanically (standard action "summoning"), I saw cause for pause, or "value judgement" as you say. I'd simply like to make a good case, hear from the community, and move on.
Thank you for your example. That settles it in my mind. Cheers.