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....Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged
weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of
your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using
Rapid Shot.....
When i'm reading the definition i can't figure out clearly what bonus to use for that third attack!
Let say my base attack bonus is +6/+1, what would be my third attack (+4/-1/?)
What bits of info am i missing?
....Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged
weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of
your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using
Rapid Shot.....When i'm reading the definition i can't figure out clearly what bonus to use for that third attack!
Let say my base attack bonus is +6/+1, what would be my third attack (+4/-1/?)
What bits of info am i missing?
Basically, think of it as Two-Weapon Fighting for ranged weapons, so your attack is +4/+4/-1. Although, you're right, it doesn't say that explicitly in the PRD...
Basically, think of it as Two-Weapon Fighting for ranged weapons, so your attack is +4/+4/-1. Although, you're right, it doesn't say that explicitly in the PRD.......Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged
weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of
your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using
Rapid Shot.....When i'm reading the definition i can't figure out clearly what bonus to use for that third attack!
Let say my base attack bonus is +6/+1, what would be my third attack (+4/-1/?)
What bits of info am i missing?
Iterative attacks always confuse me. Tilnar how do you get +4/+4/-1? Those first two attacks are made at the full BAB?
Iterative attacks always confuse me. Tilnar how do you get +4/+4/-1? Those first two attacks are made at the full BAB?Basically, think of it as Two-Weapon Fighting for ranged weapons, so your attack is +4/+4/-1. Although, you're right, it doesn't say that explicitly in the PRD.......Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged
weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of
your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using
Rapid Shot.....When i'm reading the definition i can't figure out clearly what bonus to use for that third attack!
Let say my base attack bonus is +6/+1, what would be my third attack (+4/-1/?)
What bits of info am i missing?
I don't have my book in front of me at the moment, but I think the wording is something like:
You may make an extra attack with your bow at your highest base attack bonus. All attacks this round suffer a -2 penalty to hit.
This is how I've always interpreted it. It is easier than two weapon fighting by far.
BAB +6/+1
Two weapon fighting +4/-1/+4
Improved two weapon fighting +4/-1/+4/+1
Tell me that isn't confusing.
Iterative attacks always confuse me. Tilnar how do you get +4/+4/-1? Those first two attacks are made at the full BAB?Basically, think of it as Two-Weapon Fighting for ranged weapons, so your attack is +4/+4/-1. Although, you're right, it doesn't say that explicitly in the PRD.......Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged
weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of
your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using
Rapid Shot.....When i'm reading the definition i can't figure out clearly what bonus to use for that third attack!
Let say my base attack bonus is +6/+1, what would be my third attack (+4/-1/?)
What bits of info am i missing?
I don't have my book in front of me at the moment, but I think the wording is something like:
You may make an extra attack with your bow at your highest base attack bonus. All attacks this round suffer a -2 penalty to hit.
This is how I've always interpreted it. It is easier than two weapon fighting by far.
BAB +6/+1
Two weapon fighting +4/-1/+4
Improved two weapon fighting +4/-1/+4/+1Tell me that isn't confusing.
That's what I mean! Iterative attacks are the bane of my existence.
Those calculations were all done BEFORE you added other modifiers, right? (like weapon focus).
On another note, ranged attack + two weapon fighting? Like, firing with two one handed crossbows?
Those calculations were all done BEFORE you added other modifiers, right? (like weapon focus).
On another note, ranged attack + two weapon fighting? Like, firing with two one handed crossbows?
They're just saying that the effect of Rapid Shot is the same as the Two Weapon Fighting feat (assuming a light weapon in the off-hand).
These attack modifiers are all before any other bonuses or penalties (like Dex bonus to hit, weapon focus, range increments, etc). That said, those who have posted have got it right.
Normal Shot: +6/+1
Rapid Shot: +4/+4/-1
It really doesn't matter (especially with rapid shot) what order the attacks come in.
BAB +6/+1
Two weapon fighting +4/-1/+4
Improved two weapon fighting +4/-1/+4/+1Tell me that isn't confusing.
That's not how TWF works. The -2 applies to all attacks, so with TWF and ITWF you've got +4/+4/-1/-1 with every other attack with the off-hand weapon.
It's really not that hard.
So you are saying that the second off hand attack granted by Improved two weapon fighting at base attack-2 for two weapon fighting-5 for improved two weapon fighting= BAB-7?
Site your reference please.
Prerequisites: Dex 17, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack
bonus +6.
Benefit: In addition to the standard single extra attack
you get with an off-hand weapon, you get a second attack
with it, albeit at a –5 penalty.
Normal: Without this feat, you can only get a single
extra attack with an off-hand weapon.
The way this is written, it looks to me that the -5 penalty replaces the -2 penalty.
The way this is written, it looks to me that the -5 penalty replaces the -2 penalty.
It doesn't replace it. The -2 penalty applies to all the attacks you make while using the TWF option, while Improved TWF essentially gives you a second attack at your second-best iterative BAB.
So, if you normally have +6/+1, you would have +4/+4/-1/-1 with Imp.TWF.
That is the intent, and also how it has always been throughout the existence of 3.5/PF.
I agree it is confusing, it seems to imply an extra iterative attack from the offhand as opposed to 'an extra attack'.
I agree with Are, though I can see where others might argue the contrary given the loose wording.
The way this is written, it looks to me that the -5 penalty replaces the -2 penalty.
All untyped penalties stack. So the -5 and the -2 stack.
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As always, it's a good idea to consider what the ramifications of the other viewpoint are. If the -5 replaced the -2 penalty, then if you were attacking with two weapons where both were one-handed (rather than the offhand being light), you would have a -4 penalty, which (by this logic) would be replaced by the -5. So there would be no additional penalty to your second off-hand attack for the weight of the weapon, despite both the main-hand attacks and the first off-hand attack being penalized. And that just doesn't make any sense.
I think i agree with Are.
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When using rapid shot, you add one additional attack at your highest attack bonus, when you do a full attack action, but all of your attacks suffer a -2 penalty to hit because you are aiming less and shooting hastily.
So in essence:
If your normal attack bonus for bow is
+6/+1
With rapid shot you get
+4/+4/-1
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The way this is written, it looks to me that the -5 penalty replaces the -2 penalty.It doesn't replace it. The -2 penalty applies to all the attacks you make while using the TWF option, while Improved TWF essentially gives you a second attack at your second-best iterative BAB.
So, if you normally have +6/+1, you would have +4/+4/-1/-1 with Imp.TWF.
That is the intent, and also how it has always been throughout the existence of 3.5/PF.
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