Just remembered, another thing mentioned on Ogres is that they are also very into invest too, but I'm sure the same thing applies that explaining it somewhat will be better and less damaging than letting her get curious and look it up on the internet.
I really like Brian Bachman's posts. They seem very well-thought to me.
+1
Maybe it's the avatar? Seems like those folks who pick drunken satyr avatars (like Brian and Kirth) have a sense of humor and humility.One more thing- I recall hearing a statistic recently that cultures that don't really have a "mass media" to show them how they should look don't have problems like eating disorders and such. Whereas in the US- "The mortality rate associated with anorexia nervosa is 12 times higher than the death rate of ALL causes of death for females 15 – 24 years old. "
Yeow!
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Sorry idilippy but I just did a half assed google search, and for "Eating disorders in the US" and clicked on this one.
http://www.state.sc.us/dmh/anorexia/statistics.htm
The thing about cultures lacking media, I heard on our local lefty radio WBAI in NY. I did a little searching, and found this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=1Fhx79AKuGoC&printsec=frontcover#v=one page&q&f=false
but can't find more info then that.
Pendagast - Please don't think I'm making some kind of "family values BS" point here. I did photoshop work for over 15 years and I can tell you that there is far more fantasy in most fashion type magazine images then in most adventure paths. Unfortunately, it is often done well enough that most folks never notice. One more point - being obese isn't about getting too much volume of food, it is about getting low quality food (well, really it is often about control issues, but that is another tangent...)
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OK, idilippy, got it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/347637.stm
'TV brings eating disorders to Fiji'
I really like Brian Bachman's posts. They seem very well-thought to me.+1
Maybe it's the avatar? Seems like those folks who pick drunken satyr avatars (like Brian and Kirth) have a sense of humor and humility.One more thing- I recall hearing a statistic recently that cultures that don't really have a "mass media" to show them how they should look don't have problems like eating disorders and such. Whereas in the US- "The mortality rate associated with anorexia nervosa is 12 times higher than the death rate of ALL causes of death for females 15 – 24 years old. "
Yeow!
Sorry for the massive tangent, but which study did you get that quote from? I'm interested in health and nutrition, and I would be interested in seeing which study found that data and how they came to that conclusion.
I removed some posts. Knock it off.
EDIT: Yeah, probably best not to ask why. My memory is less good than that of the brain in a jar.
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What not to say to your children on necrophilia:
We live in a free society. Some people have those proclivities, which are illegal in most states. Now, as long as the corpses don't object and the live person doesn't go about manufacturing more corpses, while many people will take offense, we live in a live and let live society.
I really like Brian Bachman's posts. They seem very well-thought to me.+1
Maybe it's the avatar? Seems like those folks who pick drunken satyr avatars (like Brian and Kirth) have a sense of humor and humility.One more thing- I recall hearing a statistic recently that cultures that don't really have a "mass media" to show them how they should look don't have problems like eating disorders and such. Whereas in the US- "The mortality rate associated with anorexia nervosa is 12 times higher than the death rate of ALL causes of death for females 15 – 24 years old. "
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Sorry idilippy but I just did a half assed google search, and for "Eating disorders in the US" and clicked on this one.
http://www.state.sc.us/dmh/anorexia/statistics.htm
The thing about cultures lacking media, I heard on our local lefty radio WBAI in NY. I did a little searching, and found this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=1Fhx79AKuGoC&printsec=frontcover#v=one page&q&f=false
but can't find more info then that.Pendagast - Please don't think I'm making some kind of "family values BS" point here. I did photoshop work for over 15 years and I can tell you that there is far more fantasy in most fashion type magazine images then in most adventure paths. Unfortunately, it is often done well enough that most folks never notice. One more point - being obese isn't about getting too much volume of food, it is about getting low quality food (well, really it is often about control issues, but that is another tangent...)
no i didnt think you were making a family values point, I was just curious about that statistic, as most are skewed. (you know 12x0 is 0, so i could always say Im twelve times more likely to get voted president of the untied states that you... for example)
Is the low probability due to the lack of the existence of an 'Untied States'?
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Just remembered, another thing mentioned on Ogres is that they are also very into invest too, but I'm sure the same thing applies that explaining it somewhat will be better and less damaging than letting her get curious and look it up on the internet.
Ogres like to invest? Is there an Ogres Bank of Golarion? Or is it just a snooty credit union only Ogres can be a part of?
What not to say to your children on necrophilia:
We live in a free society. Some people have those proclivities, which are illegal in most states. Now, as long as the corpses don't object and the live person doesn't go about manufacturing more corpses, while many people will take offense, we live in a live and let live society.
Moo Cows don't object when i eat them, I use that argument at PETA rallys all the time!
Sorry idilippy but I just did a half assed google search, and for "Eating disorders in the US" and clicked on this one.
http://www.state.sc.us/dmh/anorexia/statistics.htm
The thing about cultures lacking media, I heard on our local lefty radio WBAI in NY. I did a little searching, and found this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=1Fhx79AKuGoC&printsec=frontcover#v=one page&q&f=false
but can't find more info then that.Pendagast - Please don't think I'm making some kind of "family values BS" point here. I did photoshop work for over 15 years and I can tell you that there is far more fantasy in most fashion type magazine images then in most adventure paths. Unfortunately, it is often done well enough that most folks never notice. One more point - being obese isn't about getting too much volume of food, it is about getting low quality food (well, really it is often about control issues, but that is another tangent...)
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OK, idilippy, got it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/347637.stm
'TV brings eating disorders to Fiji'
Thanks, I'll look these over and see where they got their research, since I wasn't aware that anorexia was that much of a cause of death for young people. Either way it's a big problem and not one that has anything to do with this thread, thanks for looking these up for me!
As for the thread topic itself, I don't have kids and I was raised moderately conservatively. Some 'mature' themes I encountered young through reading voraciously, some I didn't until I was older and had the internet/school friends. I don't know how affected I was by any of it and don't have any advice for the OP unfortunately, I hope whatever advice you follow works great for you though.
Just remembered, another thing mentioned on Ogres is that they are also very into invest too, but I'm sure the same thing applies that explaining it somewhat will be better and less damaging than letting her get curious and look it up on the internet.Ogres like to invest? Is there an Ogres Bank of Golarion? Or is it just a snooty credit union only Ogres can be a part of?
That explains the whole WaMu thing... I didn't think any human came up with the idea of credit default swaps and all that "toxic assets" stuff.
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Pendagast- I agree that statistics can be stretched to the point of meaninglessness, and I'll be the first to say that the number I pulled of the internet could be way off. Our culture needs to really rethink the way we deal with every aspect of food, especially how we view food and diet. I probably could have just said that without using a random statistic.
I've been playing AD&D 1st edition with my 10 year old daughter and we recently switched to Pathfinder. It's been going great, but now she's expressed the desire to read the books herself, and a part of me cringes everytime she picks up the Bestiary. I keep waiting for her to read about the Ogre and ask me, Daddy, what's necrophilia? It hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
BTW, I personally love the adult themes in Pathfinder, stuff like the temple to Calistria in Absalom with elven prostitutes - it's something you'd never find in mainstream Hasbro owned WOTC - I'm just wondering if I should keep the books away from my kids or not. I don't mind the sex stuff so much, it's just the necrophilic cannabilistic incestuous ogres that bother me a bit.
You know your kid best, but if she already GMs keeping the books from her might not have the desired effect.
On the positive side, while she might ready each and every page of the Bestiary, she might not actually catch or understand each reference. About one a month I read an old article/book or view a movie or show an suddenly understand/discover a joke I haven´t understood for decades (I am 26).
My personal experiences with roleplaying games startet at about the same time as your daugters with my friends. I fondly remember the "good old times" when we killed man eathing ogres/giants/cyclopses and on one occasion even crafted a waterskin out of a monsters "club", we called it a (german) "Zyklopenpfuiwasserschlauch", an had a lot of fun...I can´t remember if we actually used it to store water though :)
Anyway in hindsight roleplaying did improve my school performance, and even though my role playing material was filled with bare breasted demons, terrible monsters and undead terrors, I don´t think it had any effect me or my friends.
Of course I can relate to your worry that your daughter might use something she read in one of your gaming books in conversations with other kids, thus leading to unwelcome talks with their parents.
My advice would be to trust in your own judement and trust in your kid, having a parent that spends his time gaming with her, should give her at least a +2 on all rolls involved in growing into an adult.
PS:There actually is roleplaying stuff out there is would not suggest giving into the hands of children (Book of Vile Darkness, anything focused on sex - not because it´s bad, but because the topic usually isn´t suitably presented for kids).
Btw: I and certainly others would really like to hear how you and your doughter actually started with roleplaying games, and maybe what she was interested in before (so we can start laying the groundwork early) ;).
Yeah, it's the Americans. Nipples on monsters in Bestiary = BAD, page 321 in APG = GOOD. Hypocrisy, but what can we, debased and amoral Euros say?
Oh come now; violence never hurt anybody.
To be serious, I'm not a big fan of p. 321 in the APG. I somehow never noticed it before it was mentioned here. And I don't know how many Americans would call it "GOOD".
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Yeah, it's the Americans. Nipples on monsters in Bestiary = BAD, page 321 in APG = GOOD. Hypocrisy, but what can we, debased and amoral Euros say?Oh come now; violence never hurt anybody.
To be serious, I'm not a big fan of p. 321 in the APG. I somehow never noticed it before it was mentioned here. And I don't know how many Americans would call it "GOOD".
Many enough for a company to let such artwork go off yet avoid any nipple.
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...just tell them that necrophilia is a form of corspe desecration...My advice: don't tell your daughter a vague or partial definition of "necrophilia." Especially not one that makes "necrophilia" sound like a word that applies in a wide range of circumstances that have nothing to do with its actual definition. That could lead to an awkward parent-teacher conference the next time she's asked to do a creative writing assignment.
Possibly mildly offensive confession:
A lot of the other kids and I were mighty confused by the fuss that stirred up. That's what happens when a six year old tries to sound erudite. You don't get the idea of evolving language at that age.
Then of course the word was eventually "taken back" so to speack by the LGBT community and Utahraptor from Dinosaur Comics came out decades later and vindicated the report title anyway. Go figure.
Not that parents should be teaching their kids every slur in the book. Still, would have been good to know...
Well that's the thing, she GMs now. I'm originally from the states but live in Moscow where I teach English. Amongst my students are some triplets, age 11 and my daugter helps me teach them - I teach each of them one on one for 45 minutes and while I'm doing that she plays with the other two. Bored of teaching grammar and and not having any progress I started playing AD&D and now Pathfinder and they went from hating English to loving it and now they ask my daughter to GM when I'm teaching the others, and she does a hell of a good job I must say and is much more creative then I am.
Actually, I agree with some of the other posters that's she's not likely to even notice the parts she doesn't understand - fortunately I haven't noticed any other entries as graphic as the Ogre.
Let me get this straight. You live in Moscow, Russia; and teach English using RPGs as a teaching tool?
You, sir, are awesome. (I have no input on the OP though-I have no kids)
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Possibly mildly offensive confession:
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That caused a fuss? We did an exercise when I was ~11, that involved every child in the room using another childs name to alliterate. I used "Gareth's guts for garters", and got a shocked reaction, and a few dodgy looks!
Granted Gareth didn't seem to see the funny side, and may have thought it was an implied threat, but that's another matter entirely!
What should be more worrying, is at that time I didn't really grasp what a garter was...
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Possibly mildly offensive confession:
** spoiler omitted **That caused a fuss? We did an exercise when I was ~11, that involved every child in the room using another childs name to alliterate. I used "Gareth's guts for garters", and got a shocked reaction, and a few dodgy looks!
Granted Gareth didn't seem to see the funny side, and may have thought it was an implied threat, but that's another matter entirely!
What should be more worrying, is at that time I didn't really grasp what a garter was...
Heh, sadly I still suspect the disemboweling would still raise fewer eyebrows than homosexuality in many schools in the States. At least that was my experience up until college. That's our borken cultural outlook on sex and violence for ya. :(
And seconded on the garters. I can't even remember how old I was when I found out what those were, but it was definitely in the teens, yet it still turned up a plenty in our lexicon. Thanks Hank McCoy...
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What not to say to your children on necrophilia:
We live in a free society. Some people have those proclivities, which are illegal in most states. Now, as long as the corpses don't object and the live person doesn't go about manufacturing more corpses, while many people will take offense, we live in a live and let live society.
This amused me, because I've argued that the big three 'ickyphilias' are wrong because children, animals and the dead can't give infomed consent.
Now it gets weired in a fantasy game with awaken speak with animals and speak with dead but I'm meandering off topic.
With my (hypothetical) kids I'd sit down and have a discussion. But I restrict what I loan my friends kids, maybe more than their parents do, because it's not my place to expose kids to concepts their parents don't want to deal with. So I err on the side of caution. (Ship of Ishtar anyone?)
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...just tell them that necrophilia is a form of corspe desecration...My advice: don't tell your daughter a vague or partial definition of "necrophilia." Especially not one that makes "necrophilia" sound like a word that applies in a wide range of circumstances that have nothing to do with its actual definition. That could lead to an awkward parent-teacher conference the next time she's asked to do a creative writing assignment.Possibly mildly offensive confession:
** spoiler omitted **Not that parents should be teaching their kids every slur in the book. Still, would have been good to know...
I joke sometimes, "Remember when queer was strange, gay was happy and bamf was the sound Nightcrawler made?"
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And seconded on the garters. I can't even remember how old I was when I found out what those were, but it was definitely in the teens, yet it still turned up a plenty in our lexicon. Thanks Hank McCoy...
I loved my 80's comics! I learned of the Spartans from the X-men, Shakespeare from the X-men, AIDS from Alpha Flight (until they chickened out) and countless other references.
Likewise, thank the Divine for Iron Maiden. Dune, Coolridge, Tennyson and countless other historical/cultural references first came into my brain via their music.
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Not uptight? This is the country where Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction launched an emergency session of Congress. And that was the restrained reaction. This is a country of bloody prudes.
most American's are not uptight about sex or sexuality
And that's why the Lamia in Bestiary looks the way it looks.
I'm sure there would be no issue with her being disembowelled, as long as no nipples would be visible.
I have no problem with the US being a nation of hypocrite prudes, as long as it doesn't cascade onto things I enjoy. In this case it does, so I'm full-on "us sophisticated Euros vs. your redneck gun-totin' god-fearin' hardly any education society" mode.
The fact that people need X-men comics to teach them about Shakespeare and AIDS only underlines the point. :)
BTW, I personally love the adult themes in Pathfinder, stuff like the temple to Calistria in Absalom with elven prostitutes - it's something you'd never find in mainstream Hasbro owned WOTC
Other than in the Realms...
Fixed that for you, Cartigan.Other than in the Realms before they were nuked from orbit...
BTW, I personally love the adult themes in Pathfinder, stuff like the temple to Calistria in Absalom with elven prostitutes - it's something you'd never find in mainstream Hasbro owned WOTC
No. You didn't.
And that's why the Lamia in Bestiary looks the way it looks.
I'm sure there would be no issue with her being disembowelled, as long as no nipples would be visible.
I have no problem with the US being a nation of hypocrite prudes, as long as it doesn't cascade onto things I enjoy. In this case it does, so I'm full-on "us sophisticated Euros vs. your redneck gun-totin' god-fearin' hardly any education society" mode.
The fact that people need X-men comics to teach them about Shakespeare and AIDS only underlines the point. :)
My fellow Bag of Devouring, lets not make generalizations. There are plenty of us Americans who also think that american social-conservatives (the squeeky wheel which makes all the noise) apparently engage in schitzophrenia. Also have a problem with the pandering to this group by politicians, the film, music, and video game industries, in regards to secondary seuxal characteristcs, erotica and other issues on the human sexual expression axis.
We even read Shakespear, some of us read Foccoult, Sausseure, Joyce, Garcia-Marquez, The Scottish and German philosophers, etc. :)Otherwise, if we are going to make gerneralizations and assume that politicians/squeeky wheels represent the wholenot pandering to political factions I might have to assume that much like the Fench president or the eastern european genocidal decisons of the 80's-90's you have no means of dealing with religious difference and unresolved hostility between your neighbors across the Med other than by religious presecution.
Lets bring the topic back to how do parents who play RPG's (whether computer based or tabletop) communicate about some of the themes and subjects that those topics deal with or more broadly those themes and topics in things there children are exposed to.
the Judy Blume Wars anyone?
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My fellow Bag of Devouring, lets not make generalizations. There are plenty of us Americans who also think american social-conservatives (the squeeky wheel which makes all the noise)....
Maybe its just me, being a squeeky social conservative and all, but I find it rather amusing you would ask for generalizations not to be made only to make one about a dozen words later. :)
My fellow Bag of Devouring, lets not make generalizations. There are plenty of us Americans who also think american social-conservatives (the squeeky wheel which makes all the noise)....Maybe its just me, being a squeeky social conservative and all, but I find it rather ironic you would ask for generalizations not to be made only to make one about a dozen words later. :)
I was trying to be ironic and pooint out that a loud minority can shape the socio-political landscape. But are you saying that there arent people who make a living pandering to Falwell's "Moral Majority" even as there are those who make a living pandering to the Larry Flynt's?
I would even say that the social conservatives in the US should be recognized for their organizational accumen.
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And that's why the Lamia in Bestiary looks the way it looks.
I'm sure there would be no issue with her being disembowelled, as long as no nipples would be visible.
I have no problem with the US being a nation of hypocrite prudes, as long as it doesn't cascade onto things I enjoy. In this case it does, so I'm full-on "us sophisticated Euros vs. your redneck gun-totin' god-fearin' hardly any education society" mode.
The fact that people need X-men comics to teach them about Shakespeare and AIDS only underlines the point. :)
My fellow Bag of Devouring, lets not make generalizations. There are plenty of us Americans who also think that american social-conservatives (the squeeky wheel which makes all the noise) apparently engage in schitzophrenia. Also have a problem with the pandering to this group by politicians, the film, music, and video game industries, in regards to secondary seuxal characteristcs, erotica and other issues on the human sexual expression axis.
We even read Shakespear, some of us read Foccoult, Sausseure, Joyce, Garcia-Marquez, The Scottish and German philosophers, etc. :)Otherwise, if we are going to make gerneralizations and assume that politicians/squeeky wheels represent the wholenot pandering to political factions I might have to assume that much like the Fench president or the eastern european genocidal decisons of the 80's-90's you have no means of dealing with religious difference and unresolved hostility between your neighbors across the Med other than by religious presecution.
Lets bring the topic back to how do parents who play RPG's (whether computer based or tabletop) communicate about some of the themes and subjects that those topics deal with or more broadly those themes and topics in things there children are exposed to.
the Judy Blume Wars anyone?
I'm not making generalizations about the entire American society. I'm making generalizations about the part of American society which is considered "core purchasing power" and to whose tastes the publishers skew the content.
Also: "Why is blood and guts OK for PG in movies, but the sex scene in Black Swan was filmed with both girls wearing full lingerie?" (Aaargh!)
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My fellow Bag of Devouring, lets not make generalizations. There are plenty of us Americans who also think american social-conservatives (the squeeky wheel which makes all the noise)....Maybe its just me, being a squeeky social conservative and all, but I find it rather amusing you would ask for generalizations not to be made only to make one about a dozen words later. :)
Far be it from me to start a political argument where one doesn't belong, but I think he was referring to the fact that the perception of the US in the world outside our borders is largely driven by FOX News, which the rest of the world knows is our most highly-rated cable news channel. It's kind of hard to hide the fact that a lot of people in the US buy in to the FOX News paradigm. I'm hoping that it's accepted that calling FOX News "Socially Conservative" is, well, accurate.
And yes, I saw your smiley face, but still. :-p
I'm not making generalizations about the entire American society. I'm making generalizations about the part of American society which is considered "core purchasing power" and to whose tastes the publishers skew the content.
Also: "Why is blood and guts OK for PG in movies, but the sex scene in Black Swan was filmed with both girls wearing full lingerie?" (Aaargh!)
I cannot disagree with you about violence/ sexuality.
Nor can I disagree about the Black Swan sex scene especially as her dances with Seymour Cassel were more sexually charged. Funny how we had to have a european male actor there (and married to one of the most gorgeous women on the planet, Monica Belluci) It seems like there is a bit of social commentary there about europe/ america.
I was enjoying the conversation and looking forward to how the original poster was going to handle the situation. Can we please get away from the politics so this thread isn't locked?
Not uptight? This is the country where Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction launched an emergency session of Congress. And that was the restrained reaction. This is a country of bloody prudes.
most American's are not uptight about sex or sexuality
And that's why the Lamia in Bestiary looks the way it looks.
I'm sure there would be no issue with her being disembowelled, as long as no nipples would be visible.
I have no problem with the US being a nation of hypocrite prudes, as long as it doesn't cascade onto things I enjoy. In this case it does, so I'm full-on "us sophisticated Euros vs. your redneck gun-totin' god-fearin' hardly any education society" mode.
The fact that people need X-men comics to teach them about Shakespeare and AIDS only underlines the point. :)
I think the fact that poster learned about Shakespeare and AIDS from comic books rather than from school, his parents or the news probably has more to do with the amount of attention he was paying to each than anything else. :)
As lots of folks have pointed out, the U.S. is pretty schizophrenic about sex. On the one hand we have a large and very vocal minority that publicly has a problem with "loosening morals" and so forth. On the other hand we have a hugely influential mass media and advertising industry that glorifies casual sex in all its variations and promotes incredibly unrealistic and at times unhealthy body types in a non-stop 24/7 barrage we are all subject to. We are home to both the Moral Majority and the biggest part of the porn industry. Both the 700 Club and Girls Gone Wild. Where do most Americans stand? Who the hell knows? My best guess is that a lot of people are uncomfortable with both extreme social conservatism and the amount of sleaze and in your face overt sexuality dominant in popular culture, and would prefer that both of them go away. Not going to happen any time soon, unfortunately.
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I was trying to be ironic and pooint out that a loud minority can shape the socio-political landscape. But are you saying that there arent people who make a living pandering to Falwell's "Moral Majority" even as there are those who make a living pandering to the Larry Flynt's?My fellow Bag of Devouring, lets not make generalizations. There are plenty of us Americans who also think american social-conservatives (the squeeky wheel which makes all the noise)....Maybe its just me, being a squeeky social conservative and all, but I find it rather ironic you would ask for generalizations not to be made only to make one about a dozen words later. :)
Politicians ideally represent the people who elected them by telling us beforehand what they are going to support and what they are going to oppose. We then vote for people who are most aligned with our own values. One man's pandering is another man's service. I may disagree with Nancy Pelosi on almost everything, but I don't accuse her of pandering just because she holds the views she does and they happen to align with her constituency. While vocalism can certainly influence a debate when there are a great number who don't just care, that vocalism is merely an expression of who cares the most (and ideally even when people passionately defend their believes they should do so politely) and there is some legitimacy there.
Moreover, when there is disagreement about sensitive subjects (sex and violence) it is always nice to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume there is a legitimate reason they feel that way.
In my personal opinion, both sex and violence are perfectly natural things. But that does not make them universally appropriate in every circumstance. There are times when violence is good and times when it is bad. There are times when sex is good and times when it is bad. If we can agree on this point then the only real debate is determining when we each think they are appropriate. There will be disagreements here, depending on one's upbringing, philosophy, religion and life experiences. More than this, there will be different comfort levels with discussing these topics with children and each parent must use their own discretion as to how to approach each issue. There is no one way of teaching kids (each parent is different and each child is different) nor is there a certain age when a child must know a certain fact.
I was enjoying the conversation and looking forward to how the original poster was going to handle the situation. Can we please get away from the politics so this thread isn't locked?
Fair enough Bob. What do you think about not only how to handle some of the issues dealt with in Pathfinder, but also the works of Judy Blume who has recieved a lot of flak about dealing with menstruation in childrens literature?
I was enjoying the conversation and looking forward to how the original poster was going to handle the situation. Can we please get away from the politics so this thread isn't locked?Fair enough Bob. What do you think about not only how to handle some of the issues dealt with in Pathfinder, but also the works of Judy Blume who has recieved a lot of flak about dealing with menstruation in childrens literature?
I already mentioned earlier what I would do about this particular issue in Pathfinder. I should mention that I have no children so my opinion was based on what my parents would have done with me.
I don't know anything about the Judy Blume books or how they handle the material. I do know that we need to not be afraid of our bodies. We need to stop seeing our bodies and functions as taboo.
I was enjoying the conversation and looking forward to how the original poster was going to handle the situation. Can we please get away from the politics so this thread isn't locked?Fair enough Bob. What do you think about not only how to handle some of the issues dealt with in Pathfinder, but also the works of Judy Blume who has recieved a lot of flak about dealing with menstruation in childrens literature?I already mentioned earlier what I would do about this particular issue in Pathfinder. I should mention that I have no children so my opinion was based on what my parents would have done with me.
I don't know anything about the Judy Blume books or how they handle the material. I do know that we need to not be afraid of our bodies. We need to stop seeing our bodies and functions as taboo.
I would agree wholeheartedly. It does bring up the issue of environment and parenting. I spent half my life living on a farm with my father and step mother. So I saw procreation, birth, and death (on occasion I had to be the one to kill the animal in question). The other half with a mother who is a nurse. My first observation of animals procreating was answered with a simple "making puppies" more than sufficient for a 5 year old. And honestly meant that I never had another question about the activity, now the biology, chemical reactions, and processes in gestation and as i became intertested in pair forming on my own questions about emotional responses/ impacts sure.