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I have been out of the loop for a little bit of time (but I am back now!!), and I was wondering if the Players Guide to this AP will only be available in pdf format or will there be a printed version available as well?
They have not done a printed player's guide in quite a while.
Short strokes: PDF only.
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I have been out of the loop for a little bit of time (but I am back now!!), and I was wondering if the Players Guide to this AP will only be available in pdf format or will there be a printed version available as well?
Yup; by keeping them PDF only, we can also keep them as free products a lot easier.
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travel time from ChinaFirst time I read that, I read it as "time travel from china." I was kind of boggled as to why it would need to time travel from china since it exists in our time. Unless Paizo is printing in the future and having it shipped back to us because only in the future they have figured out how to make the ink just so full of the good-page-licking crack that is in every single Pathfinder issue.
Then I read it again and realized I misread it.
Oh good, I'm not the only one who read that as involving time travel in China.
Adventurer's Armory. :P
I liked the Adventurer's Armory.
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I have been out of the loop for a little bit of time (but I am back now!!), and I was wondering if the Players Guide to this AP will only be available in pdf format or will there be a printed version available as well?Yup; by keeping them PDF only, we can also keep them as free products a lot easier.
Thanks for the heads up, I really appreciate it. The Carrion Crown AP seems really interesting and it looks like a lot of fun. I hope to have it in my hands soon!!
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This PDF of Player's guide out how many days before the first book of Carrion Crown ?
Those who are register with subscriber will receive the pdf of the first book to date about what ?
Thank you in advance et thank you to understand me.
Sorry for my poor English, my native language is French.
Ionisa, futur GM of Carrion Crown.
First chapter (for subscribers) and Player's guide will be around beginning of March.
Yup; by keeping them PDF only, we can also keep them as free products a lot easier.
Was the price something people complained about? (I can't imagine it, but I'm pretty regularly surprised by what people complain about).
This PDF of Player's guide out how many days before the first book of Carrion Crown ?
Those who are register with subscriber will receive the pdf of the first book to date about what ?
I guess the Players Guide will be available at about the same time as the first book. You will recieve access to the pdf downloads as soon as the subscription copy ships. There will be an E-Mail notifing you.
(Isn´t is great? A French-speaking guy asks a question in English and is answered by a guy who is a native German speaker in English. Yay for international gamers.)
Stefan
I'm an english-speaking Serbian. Where Stefan is a very common name. :D
I'm an english-speaking Serbian. Where Stefan is a very common name. :D
Heh. So, my point about an international gaming crew is proven - not that it would need to be. Stefan is quite common here as well, most prevalent in guys between 25 and 45 years.
Stefan
Just a tidbit of trivia, we've had a line of kings whose title became Stefan, after the first one (much like Caesar):
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Yup; by keeping them PDF only, we can also keep them as free products a lot easier.Was the price something people complained about? (I can't imagine it, but I'm pretty regularly surprised by what people complain about).
Not at all.
Making players pay for a player's guide for an AP is an unnecessary road block to playing an AP is all.
If the product is free, it serves a lot better as something all players can get ahold of, and the GM can easily distribute it to his players.
We want our APs to basically be as "free to play" as possible if you're a player character.
Not at all.Making players pay for a player's guide for an AP is an unnecessary road block to playing an AP is all.
If the product is free, it serves a lot better as something all players can get ahold of, and the GM can easily distribute it to his players.
We want our APs to basically be as "free to play" as possible if you're a player character.
And I for one LOVE this policy. I think it's a big selling point for the APs, and one I've used to sell the APs to friends. It's a terrifically good idea, IMO, and one that shows a lot of insight into how many groups decide what to buy and play.
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Waiting eagerly and Impatiently for Mid-March entertainment.
Carrion Crown, Campaign Setting, various novels, various video games, various "season X" compilation DVDs, various new movies... all come out March to June this year. Nothing in January, nothing in February.
I've had a backlog for so long, but I've actually managed to exhaust my various sources of entertainment. It's, well, frustrating and nice at the same time.
Yup; by keeping them PDF only, we can also keep them as free products a lot easier.Was the price something people complained about? (I can't imagine it, but I'm pretty regularly surprised by what people complain about).Not at all.
Making players pay for a player's guide for an AP is an unnecessary road block to playing an AP is all.
If the product is free, it serves a lot better as something all players can get ahold of, and the GM can easily distribute it to his players.
We want our APs to basically be as "free to play" as possible if you're a player character.
Can I ask why you don't provide printed copies for sale any more?
It seems to me that once you go to all the trouble you do for the PDFs it would be relatively straightforward to send off an order for a print run (assuming there was enough demand for it to at least cover its cost, of course). I currently get a few copies print and bound (for about 75% of the price of an AP issue each) but if I could buy an official bundle of four/five it would be very useful to me. (Even if it didn't come out until midway through the AP).
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It's the best selling Companion we've printed to date, and by a wide margin.Adventurer's Armory. :PI liked the Adventurer's Armory.
That's exactly the problem - it was perhaps the most sought-after Companion book, as everybody loves gear books.
And as great the expectations were, so big was the letdown - errors, poor layout, bad design choices (reprinting stats for CS items without reprinting their descriptions and my pet peeve, level 6 expert NPC that takes two pages in a GEAR book) and finally the fact that the erroneous material got quietly reprinted in APG with fixes included (Brass Knuckles, anyone? From "yet another craptacular monk weapon" in AA to "wow, finally somebody fixed the monks!" in APG).
Meh.
I also believe that the smaller the print run for a product, the higher the cost is for each individual copy. If the PDF is going to be given away for free, the needed print run for the physical copy would likely be far below the required "make-a-profit" point.
So, I suppose Paizo would either have to do "PDF-only" with free PDF, or "Print + PDF" with the PDF costing something.
While I liked having print copies of the Player's Guides, I like free PDFs even more, so I'm happy that's the choice they went for :)
I never purchased the player guides that had to be paid for, but when I ran Kingmaker I send the link to everyone so they could get it. Once I run Serpent's Kingdom late this year/early next year I will be sending players here again.
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Can I ask why you don't provide printed copies for sale any more?
It seems to me that once you go to all the trouble you do for the PDFs it would be relatively straightforward to send off an order for a print run (assuming there was enough demand for it to at least cover its cost, of course). I currently get a few copies print and bound (for about 75% of the price of an AP issue each) but if I could buy an official bundle of four/five it would be very useful to me. (Even if it didn't come out until midway through the AP).
Here's two reasons:
1) Preparing something for print takes a lot more work than preparing something for a PDF, and our schedules are already crammed full. By not doing print versions, we help preserve our sanity a little.
2) Printing costs a LOT. So does shipping printed products. So does setting aside storage space for products in our warehouse.
We DID print copies for the first five APs, in various ways and methods and combinations with the Player's Companion line. The PDF only way seems to work the best overall at this time.
Can I ask why you don't provide printed copies for sale any more?
It seems to me that once you go to all the trouble you do for the PDFs it would be relatively straightforward to send off an order for a print run (assuming there was enough demand for it to at least cover its cost, of course). I currently get a few copies print and bound (for about 75% of the price of an AP issue each) but if I could buy an official bundle of four/five it would be very useful to me. (Even if it didn't come out until midway through the AP).
Here's two reasons:
1) Preparing something for print takes a lot more work than preparing something for a PDF, and our schedules are already crammed full. By not doing print versions, we help preserve our sanity a little.
2) Printing costs a LOT. So does shipping printed products. So does setting aside storage space for products in our warehouse.
We DID print copies for the first five APs, in various ways and methods and combinations with the Player's Companion line. The PDF only way seems to work the best overall at this time.
Cheers. I had no idea the first point was true - that's a good enough reason on it's own. I can't make any comment on the second one since I personally think your products are all way too cheap anyhow, but presumably 'the market' disagrees.
I appreciate the response, thanks.
Is it just me or can everyone see the players guide on the front page? It's the thumbnail for the downloads section. Now how do I get to it..?
I can see it too. However, it doesn't show up in the Paizo-section of the "Downloads" part of the store. So I'd guess it's just that the cover got up a little too early (and hopefully that the CCPG is going to be available in a matter of days or less).
I can see it too. However, it doesn't show up in the Paizo-section of the "Downloads" part of the store. So I'd guess it's just that the cover got up a little too early (and hopefully that the CCPG is going to be available in a matter of days or less).
Hope so, being able to see it and not read it is torturous. :-)
Go here scroll halfway down, in the center of the page it will say downloads. Above that is a thumbnail of the players guide.
Soon, my sweets. Soon.
Just for that I am going to White Castle for lunch. :P
Soon, my sweets. Soon.
See, that's what I love about Paizo. It's a community. A genuine, bona fide community. The kind of community that brands like Coca-Cola and Ford would give *anything* to have.
So Erik and the gang, please don't ever change.
:-)
Soon, my sweets. Soon.
Erik, I don't like the way your avatar is looking at me. He looks...hungry.
I keep waiting for a group of adventurers to come and pluck the eye gem from Erik Mona's avatar...
I keep waiting for a group of adventurers to come and pluck the eye gem from Erik Mona's avatar...
Between that and the DMG, I had to spend a LOT of energy concealing my D&D books from my very religious mom back in the '70s.
See I never had to conceal my books. I just kept in them in a closet and my mom never looked there.
I consider myself fortunate in the fact that my dad was a big science/tech nerd and my mom was a regular reader of Savage Sword of Conan and often did repaints of Frazetta's work for other people.
So long as it didn't affect schoolwork, D&D was a-okay. :D
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One word for those complaining about not having a print copy & are willing to pay for it:
Kinkos.
We print out & get spiral bound the PFS guide.
We print out the players guides, staple them, and hand them to the players.
OR - we give them the website & link.
OR - email it as an attachment (there may be copyright issues with this one, but because it's free, I don't think its a big issue)
OR, for a person w/o internet (but with a computer), like a player of mine, copy it onto a thumbdrive for them.
... I can't wait for Carrion Crown to come out. We're in the middle of book 5 of Council of Thieves, and I'm planning on running CC next! A friend of mine gave me a laptop skin of the CC wallpaper :)
One word for those complaining about not having a print copy & are willing to pay for it:
Kinkos.
We print out & get spiral bound the PFS guide.
We print out the players guides, staple them, and hand them to the players.
We don't have Kinkos here, however this is what I'm doing at a local printer. Just to satisfy my curiosity, can I ask what it costs you? I get two copies of the players' guides printed and stapled on pretty much identical paper/card as the Paizo player companions and it costs a little more than an AP installment.
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Just to satisfy my curiosity, can I ask what it costs you?One word for those complaining about not having a print copy & are willing to pay for it:
Kinkos.
I actually don't know. My fiance takes care of the printing at Kinkos. I prefer pdfs usually. If I need to print, I use some of my printing allowance at my university and print it there.
I need to see what kind of traits there are so I can either start writing my own or start excitedly ambushing my players with questions on what they're going to play.
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I will turn this forum RIGHT AROUND and there won't BE ANY ADVENTURE PATH! Is THAT what you want???