RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16
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Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9
aka Rusty Ironpants
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Note that we mean actual archetypes, not new domains, subdomains, alternate classes or subclasses (such as the antipaladin), sorcerer bloodlines, or wizard schools.When looking through the APG, however, all of the material under the archetype section for classes such as the cleric, wizard, and sorcerer would seemingly be disqualified by the above rules. Is this in effect saying do not submit archetype submissions for these classes that in any way is similar to what has been done in the APG? So, to do archetypes for these classes, contestants would need to come up with a wholly different take on their function?
Just want to make sure that I am understanding the rules for round 2 (if I get that far).
That seems to be exactly what they are saying. In effect, there are no archetypes for clerics or wizards yet.
Arcane schools/bloodlines and divine domains/subdomains are archetypal in the literary sense, just not "archetypes" in the Pathfinder RPG rules sense.
That does not mean you'd have to rewrite their function, fighters are still fighters, bards are still bards, etc... Clerics would still be clerics and so on.
The wizard or cleric archetype can be done, though 450 words may be an issue.
We have cleric, wizard, and sorcerer archetypes in Ultimate Magic, they're just not new domains/subdomains, wizard schools, or bloodlines.
...which means Superstar competitors should be able to do the same.
Another question I have is: how much can a class be altered by an archetype before it should reasonably be a different/alternate/sub class?
If you can change the class enough to tresspass on that border, while still being novel, interesting, playable, and balanced in a mere 450 words, I doubt the judges are going to penalize you.
And if it isn't novel, interesting, playable, and balanced, it's not going to matter if it's really an "alternate class" instead of an archetype, is it?
But, that's just my outside opinion.
RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
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Champion Voter Season 6, Champion Voter Season 7, Champion Voter Season 8, Champion Voter Season 9
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If you can change the class enough to tresspass on that border, while still being novel, interesting, playable, and balanced in a mere 450 words, I doubt the judges are going to penalize you.
And if it isn't novel, interesting, playable, and balanced, it's not going to matter if it's really an "alternate class" instead of an archetype, is it?
But, that's just my outside opinion.
I was thinking along the same lines. 450 words and balanced is not so hard. Making it memorable and having someone want to use it is harder.
I think there are a lot of easy ways to make very broad changes in very few words; swapping a sorcerer's spellcasting for something else, for instance. I could do that in <400 words very easily, and it might be really cool, but it wouldn't really be a sorcerer anymore.
I think that would be a pretty bold gamble as a contestant; it could do poorly, if people feel that you're going against the spirit of the "archetype" mechanic, or it could go over very well for showing out-of-the-box thinking and rules mastery.
Either way, past round 1 it's ultimately the voters who decide.
I think there are a lot of easy ways to make very broad changes in very few words; swapping a sorcerer's spellcasting for something else, for instance
Certainly it's easy to say that your new sorcerer doesn't cast spells. But you now have to invent a class feature that is balanced with sorcerer spellcasting, not a rehash of mechanics from other classes (novel), interesting, and playable (as opposed to a set of vague guidelines for GMs). Oh, and you either need to also replace bloodlines, or explain how the spell-replacement features work with the Bonus Spells and Bloodline Arcana.
Maybe that can be done in fewer words than the Ki Mystic archetype takes (463 words by my counting program), but I think it'd be a pretty formidable task.
We have cleric, wizard, and sorcerer archetypes in Ultimate Magic, they're just not new domains/subdomains, wizard schools, or bloodlines.
Since this book isn't out yet, is there a post somewhere that lists all the Archetypes offered in the book? If I DID get into the top 32, I'd hate to be duplicating something you've already produced.
I can't imagine that duplicating unpublished archetypes that no one knows about will be held against you. It's not as though the book with all those archetypes will be published in the middle of Round 2, so the voting public won't even know that you've done something a Paizo designer has already done.
Good point Eric. I hope that's the case. I guess I was thinking it would get rejected. But, since the public wouldn't have seen the archetypes they probably wouldn't do that.
Thanks!
KEn
Duplicating an unpublished Paizo archetype won't be held against you.
Duplicating an unpublished Paizo archetype won't be held against you.
Provide of course it's not plagiarism... (of course by the time you've somehow managed to plagiarized unpublished material they'll probably want to have a word with you in a dark sound proof sound somewhere outside of the USA but that's another story).
I think this is likely the post you are refering to. Scroll down to find Sean's post.That wasn't the one I was thinking of, actually. I don't readily remember where, exactly, the post occurred. All I remember is that it was towards the end of a debate I was having with SKR at the time.
I know of which you speak. It was regarding a more monastic cleric.
EDIT: hey I even got the link to go to the right post:) I hope I did that well on the costs of my item :)I know of which you speak. It was regarding a more monastic cleric.That's the one I was remembering.
Duplicating an unpublished Paizo archetype won't be held against you.
Thank you. I seriously doubt I will, but you never know :)
Duplicating an unpublished Paizo archetype won't be held against you.Now I shall enact my insidious plan to travel time and return with archetypes from the future...
Yes, these archetypes from the future are brilliant! Especially this fighter archetype inspired by the German blitzkrieg tactics of World War II! With this one archetype in particular, my victory is guaranteed!
Maybe your Item from the future was inspired by your submission. Then it would be an archetype created out of time, with no original intellectual author!
Nooo...!
I just read the link....I can't stop laughing.
