Ooze vs golem


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No, not the Scifi movie of the week. Can anyone point me to an ooze that stands a reasonable chance of taking out a stone golem? Besides the shoggoth, that is. Most of them don't seem very effective against stone.
Thanks!


The reason most oozes don't affect stone is so they don't eat through the dungeon floor they're sitting on.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
The reason most oozes don't affect stone is so they don't eat through the dungeon floor they're sitting on.

Agreed, I never really thought about it before but that is a damn good reason not have ooze's affect stone and by extension, glass.


wspatterson wrote:
No, not the Scifi movie of the week.

It would indeed make a good Sci Fi movie of the week, however. But not on SyFy.


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Technically, golems aren't objects, so oozes would just make regular attacks. And no golems have any energy resistance -- they are immune to magic that requires an SR, but acid vials, alchemist's fire, even regular torches -- they'll all do their regular damage against any golem.

A first level commoner can kill a stone golem, as long as he's got a handy haversack full of vials of acid, can somehow fly, and has a high enough ceiling to stay out of the golem's reach. A 5th level gnome wizard can easily do all that.


coyote6 wrote:

Technically, golems aren't objects, so oozes would just make regular attacks. And no golems have any energy resistance -- they are immune to magic that requires an SR, but acid vials, alchemist's fire, even regular torches -- they'll all do their regular damage against any golem.

A first level commoner can kill a stone golem, as long as he's got a handy haversack full of vials of acid, can somehow fly, and has a high enough ceiling to stay out of the golem's reach. A 5th level gnome wizard can easily do all that.

A big hole for the golem to fall in works great to.


DrDew wrote:
A big hole for the golem to fall in works great to.

Did someone say Create Pit? Or did you want to cut some corners on your alchemy bill and go for a Acid Pit?


Blueluck wrote:
DrDew wrote:
A big hole for the golem to fall in works great to.

Did someone say Create Pit? Or did you want to cut some corners on your alchemy bill and go for a Acid Pit?

I was not aware of these spells but yes they would do very nicely.

Old school solution was to use Transmute Rock to Mud and then Transmute Mud to Rock to trap the Golem but those are 5th level spells.

Grease + Create Pit would do nicely. :D


DrDew wrote:
Blueluck wrote:
DrDew wrote:
A big hole for the golem to fall in works great to.

Did someone say Create Pit? Or did you want to cut some corners on your alchemy bill and go for a Acid Pit?

I was not aware of these spells but yes they would do very nicely.

Old school solution was to use Transmute Rock to Mud and then Transmute Mud to Rock to trap the Golem but those are 5th level spells.

Grease + Create Pit would do nicely. :D

I used disentegrate to take the floor out from underneath them, then sealed them in with a wall of force.


How would a WALL of force seal them in? other than making one side of the pit taller, I mean.


Place the plane horizontally to creat a roof to the hole.

Looking through it later, the spell specifies a vertical plane, but neither myself nor my GM caught that at time.

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wspatterson wrote:

No, not the Scifi movie of the week. Can anyone point me to an ooze that stands a reasonable chance of taking out a stone golem? Besides the shoggoth, that is. Most of them don't seem very effective against stone.

Thanks!

Black Pudding would do it.


A Shoggoth is technically an ooze, It should be able to handle a stone golem or three.

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Oterisk wrote:
A Shoggoth is technically an ooze, It should be able to handle a stone golem or three.

Have fun fetching one. Sometimes it's easier just to deal with the stone golem.


coyote6 wrote:
Technically, golems aren't objects, so oozes would just make regular attacks. And no golems have any energy resistance -- they are immune to magic that requires an SR, but acid vials, alchemist's fire, even regular torches -- they'll all do their regular damage against any golem.

Yes but the entry for the oozes, such as the black pudding, specifically state that their acid secretions have no effect on stone. RAW does not give the stone golem acid resistance but I think that is overwritten by the ooze description in this case.

The ooze can slam away at it all it wants but the golem is just going to hammer the crap out of it while taking minimal damage. I agree, dropping the golem into a pit would be a much better way to get rid of it.

I once saw a thief take a golem out by throwing a tablecoth over it. Once it had no more enemies to fight that it could see, it returned to it's alcove as programmed.


martinaj wrote:

Place the plane horizontally to creat a roof to the hole.

Looking through it later, the spell specifies a vertical plane, but neither myself nor my GM caught that at time.

It's not a big stretch to say you had a variant version that can be placed horizonally or just has to have a solid base for it to "mount" to (i.e. the side of the pit).

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