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I use Hero Lab, it is awesome and they have excellent support for the product and strive to stay close to RAW.
The only problem I have right now is I have a Monk with non-Monk levels and the way HL calculates the Flurry of Blows bonus for BAB does not match this post:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/pathfinder-rpg-discussion/281578-multiclass-mo nk-flurry-progression-question.html#post5243967
I think an official response on paizo forums (instead of on enworld) to get a change in the way the app works.
I didn't know that HL was a product of Paizo.
I copy what says the Conversion Guide (the Core Rulebook is vague, to say the least), seems logic anyway and similar to how it worked in 3.5.
A monk’s base attack bonus when performing a flurry of
blows is now equal to his level. His attacks are made as if
using Two-Weapon Fighting (and its improvements at later
levels). Table 3–10 summarizes these bonuses. Change your
flurry of blows base bonuses to match these values (plus
any increases to your base attack bonus from other classes,
which might give you additional attacks with your primary
strike). Note that other increases to your base attack bonus
do not increase the number of attacks you can make with
your off hand, as the bonus feats to gain these attacks are
not gained until you reach the required level of monk.
The tricky part are the bonus TWF feats, it seems correct, because it is a class feature that depends of your Monk level, not your BAB (However multiclass characters add "all of the base attack bonuses")
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HL is not a Paizo product.
This issue is better raised up on Wolflair (Herolab producers) forum, as I'm not sure if they monitor Paizo forums that throughoutly.
HL is not a Paizo product, not sure why both felt the need to point that out. I guess I wasn't clear enough in my original post. While HL is not a Paizo product, it is tied closely to Paizo products by being fully supported for all Paizo material.
It has been brought up multiple times on Wolflair.com, but since there is no official errata or even an official clarification on a paizo forum (there has been one on enworld) the HL people feel it is compelling enough to fix the problem in HL. They explicitly wanted a paizo forum to have a paizo employee say the official interpretation is X where X is either "a 19th Fighter/1st Monk Flurries at BAB = 1" or "a 19th Fighter/1st Monk Flurries at BAB = 20"
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Official answer to be added to the FAQ:
A monk using flurry treats his BAB *from monk levels* as equal to his monk level. He adds BAB from other sources (such as other classes or racial HD) normally to this total.
So a Ftr19/Mnk1 has a normal BAB of +19, but when he flurries, he gets 1 BAB from that monk level and 19 from his fighter levels, for a total of +20.
That's perfect for me, but my GM now thinks that my paladin 17/ monk 1 flurry at 18/18 (making just two attacks). So, what is the flurry bab of a paladin 17/ monk 1?
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As flurry is based on monk levels, it would be equal to a +18 BAB character using Two Weapon Fighting (assuming monk weapon/IUS)
That's exactly what I was thinking, but my master disagreed and so I've read a lot of posts here in the messageboard and found lot of people agreeding with me, a lot of people agreeding with my master, somebody said that the flurry is a special monk ability so it doesn't stack with other class BAB, somebody said that the ability is not about the numer of attacks, somebody said that the conversion guide solve this, but then somebody else said that the conversion guide is just a guide, not an offical rule or an official faq, and then I saw the answer of Mr. Reynolds in this message and thought: "So, if it's +20, it should have all the other attacks granted by high bab (20/15/10/5, less 2 for TWF)...". Glad you agree with me, hope Mr. Reynolds does too :)
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Flurry isn't based on BAB, though it happens to raise a monks BAB when being used. The ability states it gives an additional attack as per the TWF feat. When making a full attack action your total BAB is what determines your number of attacks, then you tack on the penalties and the additional attack per the TWF rules following the restrictions/benefits of the Flurry ability.
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That's perfect for me, but my GM now thinks that my paladin 17/ monk 1 flurry at 18/18 (making just two attacks). So, what is the flurry bab of a paladin 17/ monk 1?
You would flurry at +16/+16 after adding in twf penalties. Flurry does not use iterative attack progression. It uses monk flurry progression.
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Monk doesn't have a 'flurry progression', it has an entry in the class table for easy reference due to its mechanic altering the BAB of the class further modified by a feat chain when used.
Flurry of Blows states you use a full attack action and a gain an extra attack as per the TWF feat.
1) A characters total BAB is what is taken into consideration when performing a 'full attack action' to determing number of attacks possible.
2) TWF feat allows for a single additional attack beyond what is normally possible for penalties across all attacks.
+17/+12/+7/+2 is the normal full attack routine of said Paladin 17/Monk1
Flurry increases monk BAB to +1 (+18/+13/+8/+3)
TWF adds attack and imposes penalty (+16/+11/+6/+1/+16).
New FAQ says FoB attacks can be done with a single weapon and that any attack in the routine can have IUS subbed in instead.
Flurry of Blows extra attacks are based on the monk level.
A paladin17/monk 1 never gains the following ability because he is not a level 8 monk:
At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows, as if using Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
A paladin 17/monk1 never gains the following ability because he is not a level 15 monk:
At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows, as if using Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
The Paladin17/Monk1 has an effective BAB of +18 when using Flurry and +17 when not using Flurry. Because of the quotes above the Flurry of Blows attack sequence is only: +16/+16/+11/+6/+1.
There is no extra attack at attack bonus +11 or attack bonus +6 because the monk never gained the levels to get those extra attacks (as stated above in the quotes).
- Gauss
Edit: cleaned up a paragraph.
