Weapon Finesse and Reach?


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I was just wondering if there was any weapon that has reach and can also use the weapon finesse feat?

Thanks for the help.


Yes. A longspear has reach. You can use any light weapon with weapon finesse. But a longspear is the only one with reach.(in the light weapons that is.)

You can also use a whip.


Javell DeLeon wrote:

Yes. A longspear has reach. You can use any light weapon with weapon finesse. But a longspear is the only one with reach.(in the light weapons that is.)

You can also use a whip.

Cool thanks, forgot about those.

P.S. Um a longspear is not a light weapon, and can not use reach.


No problem!


Javell DeLeon wrote:
No problem!

Yeah, little problem there.

Long spear can not use weapon finesse.


That's my bad. I was thinking simple weapons as all light weapons. My fault.

Looks like it's just a whip then. Unless there's a reach weapon in it's description that specifically says you can use weapon finesse.

Sorry about that.

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

I was just wondering if there was any weapon that has reach and can also use the weapon finesse feat?

Thanks for the help.

the 3.5 version of spiked chain :P

(sorry, couldn't resist)

make an exotic weapon, basically a light longspear


Name Violation wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

I was just wondering if there was any weapon that has reach and can also use the weapon finesse feat?

Thanks for the help.

the 3.5 version of spiked chain :P

(sorry, couldn't resist)

make an exotic weapon, basically a light longspear

>:(

I know... I am not happy at all with pathfinder about that one, back when it was actually worth taking for an exotic weapon.


So I am up the creek without a paddle hu?

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
So I am up the creek without a paddle hu?

whip? scorpion whip?

otherwise yeah, no paddle as far as i can find


Name Violation wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
So I am up the creek without a paddle hu?

whip? scorpion whip?

otherwise yeah, no paddle as far as i can find

Wait, the scorpion whip is finessable? It isn't very clear about that.


Scorpion whip works as a whip and the whip is finessable so the scorpion whip is too.

You could use a tiny long spear -- since it's still a long spear it technically still has reach, and since it's tiny it counts as a light weapon for a medium creature. However you do take a -4 penalty for using a weapon of the wrong size, and your damage dice is going to drop to 1d4.


Abraham spalding wrote:

Scorpion whip works as a whip and the whip is finessable so the scorpion whip is too.

You could use a tiny long spear -- since it's still a long spear it technically still has reach, and since it's tiny it counts as a light weapon for a medium creature. However you do take a -4 penalty for using a weapon of the wrong size, and your damage dice is going to drop to 1d4.

Scorpion Whip sounds like a winner. I am giving this to my size tiny cohort, so this would give it a 10ft reach, 15ft with lung, and allow for it to sneak attack from my the top of my back pack.


-- ok, so not exactly a reach weapon that can be finnesed but..

Rapier + Lunge feat?

O-o


BenignFacist wrote:

-- ok, so not exactly a reach weapon that can be finnesed but..

Rapier + Lunge feat?

O-o

Please, I am not a noob, read the thread it is not that long. Scorpion Whip is the answer to my problem. I need the set in reach because I have a tiny cohort.

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
BenignFacist wrote:

-- ok, so not exactly a reach weapon that can be finnesed but..

Rapier + Lunge feat?

O-o

Please, I am not a noob, read the thread it is not that long. Scorpion Whip is the answer to my problem. I need the set in reach because I have a tiny cohort.

only problem with the scorpion whip is no AoO's with it :(

but its the best option we can find so far

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
BenignFacist wrote:

-- ok, so not exactly a reach weapon that can be finnesed but..

Rapier + Lunge feat?

O-o

Please, I am not a noob, read the thread it is not that long. Scorpion Whip is the answer to my problem. I need the set in reach because I have a tiny cohort.

A weapon that is reach (so it does not threaten the close 5' sqs) and provokes AoO from anyone in that area when used?

I think that the Rapier + Lunge is a better choice. It may not reach 10'+, when tiny, but it would reach 5' (your threat area if it is riding on your shoulder, unless you are using reach yourself), does not provoke AoO, and more then likely does as much, if not more damage. Also, how is your cohort generating a Sneak Attack while on your shoulder?

Also, was the noob comment really needed?

Note, if you are using reach, then the Scorpion whip is pretty much your only choice.

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I stand corrected, the whip will attack the 5' range, but will still generate an AoO against the user.


Isn't there a meteor knife that has reach + finesse?

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Starbuck_II wrote:
Isn't there a meteor knife that has reach + finesse?

there's meteor hammmer that had reach but not finesse.

not sure if that has reach any more, since spiked chain lost it


I don't have Ultimate Combat yet.

Is there a finesse weapon with reach in UC?


Several that should but none that do.

Also a question if noone minds are monks automaticly proficent with monk weapons?


Hmm... wasn't the Bladed Scarf (as found in Curse of the Crimson Throne) a reach weapon with Finesse?

Yup, it is: 2hd Exotic Weapon - 1d6 slashing 19-20 (x2) - trip weapon - finessable - Reach weapon (as well as threateniong adjacen squares). Plus, does some minor damaga agains those who succeed on a Grapple check against you.

(stated in CoTC Players's Guide)


Thanks.

The bladed scarf lists 1d3 damage small or 1d6 damage medium. Is this correct? It seems unusual.


Axl wrote:

Thanks.

The bladed scarf lists 1d3 damage small or 1d6 damage medium. Is this correct? It seems unusual.

I think I saw it with 1d4 for small somewhere else... the 1d3 for small looks like a typo (braking the progression rules, after all)


Thanks.


The bladed scarf from CotCT is 3.5e. The scarf was updated in the Adventurer's Armoury, and again in the Inner Sea World Guide. Like the Spiked Chain, the bladed scarf no longer has reach.


Doh!


Talonhawke wrote:

Several that should but none that do.

Also a question if noone minds are monks automaticly proficent with monk weapons?

I would assume that if it has "monk" written in the special column of the weapon descriptions, then a monk has proficiency with that weapon. Otherwise, why bother writing it there? It would be very mean of Paizo to list that special quality, yet they still have to take a feat to gain proficiency with it. =)


submit2me wrote:


I would assume that if it has "monk" written in the special column of the weapon descriptions, then a monk has proficiency with that weapon. Otherwise, why bother writing it there? It would be very mean of Paizo to list that special quality, yet they still have to take a feat to gain proficiency with it. =)

The monk special weapon quality just means a monk can flurry with it, not that they are automatically proficient.


Talonhawke wrote:

Several that should but none that do.

Also a question if noone minds are monks automaticly proficent with monk weapons?

PRD - Monk Weapon Proficiencies wrote:
Monks are proficient with the club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shortspear, short sword, shuriken, siangham, sling, and spear.

Kama, Nunchaku, Quarterstaff, Sai, Shuriken, and Siangham are all Core Monk Weapons. They are also the only ones with "monk" in the Core Weapons Chart.

Additionally:

PRD - Advanced Gear wrote:

  • Brass Knuckles: Monks are proficient with brass knuckles and can use their monk unarmed damage when fighting with them.
  • Cestus: Monks are proficient with the cestus.
  • Temple Sword: Monks are proficient with the temple sword.

These are, like above, the only "Monk" weapons on the Advanced Gear chart.


in UC in the Eastern weapons and armor section there are quite a few.


Monks are not automatically proficient with "Monk" weapons.

A tiny reach weapon does not give a medium creature reach.


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BenignFacist wrote:

-- ok, so not exactly a reach weapon that can be finnesed but..

Rapier + Lunge feat?

O-o

Why rapier? With the Lunge feat, it appears that you can make any standard melee weapon into a reach weapon.


You guys may want to check the dates on some of the posts you're responding to ...

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