| babelbgm |
When a target is being flanked by two combatants, one of which is a rogue who has a 7/1 AB, the rogue atuomatically gets his sneak attack correct, but does he get his sneak attack damage on both the attacks he can do ?
Also lycanthropes how do they work, if a 1st level commoner CR 1/3 is biten by a werewolf and transformed into a werewolf does he become CR+1 i.e. CR1/2 or does become CR1 OR 2 as a wolf is CR 1 with the +1 CR for the template, also if the commoner gains levels do these increase his CR rating or only until they are higher than what being a werewolf gives him?
| Kalyth |
Quick answer for the first question.
Sneak attack damage applies to any and all attacks that qualify as sneak attacks. Basically as long as the Target is denied the use of a dexterity bonus (whether he actually has one or not is irrelavent) or flanked he is vulnerable to sneak attack. It doesnt matter how many attacks the rogue makes as long as the qualifiers apply for each attack.
Laughing Goblin
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First off, yes, a rogue's sneak attack is applied to any and all attacks in which the conditions are met. That includes multiple attacks in a round, as well as attacks of opportunity. However, note that additional "precision" damage, like sneak attack, is never multiplied with a critical strike. As a general rule, when you crit, you double, triple, or whatever any additional damage that doesn't involve extra dice, but only add damage from extra dice (like sneak attack) once.
As for a lycanthrope, yes, you acquire the Afflicted Lycanthrope template (see here). This includes an increase in your CR. This essentially means you do not gain the benefits of "leveling" until the level after next. Essentially, you end up "multiclassing" into taking one level of monster, you just don't get any extra hit points for it.
For example, a level 2 commoner gets afflicted with lycanthropy. He becomes a level 2 lycanthrope with commoner levels, CR 2. He then doesn't gain any additional class levels until he reaches level 4's experience mark, in which case he gains all the benefits of his 3rd level of commoner. He will then continue to level normally, except that he will always be one level of commoner behind.
Think of it kinda like a debt. When you acquire the lycanthropy template, you get a bunch of new stuff, kinda like you just gained a level. But you still don't have enough experience for that level. The game is willing to let you have the new stuff now, but you don't also get more stuff the next time you level. You instead have to "pay" for the new stuff you "owe" for at that level. Then, once you are out of "debt", you continue leveling as normal.
Clear as mud?
| Geeky Frignit |
When a target is being flanked by two combatants, one of which is a rogue who has a 7/1 AB, the rogue atuomatically gets his sneak attack correct, but does he get his sneak attack damage on both the attacks he can do ?
Also lycanthropes how do they work, if a 1st level commoner CR 1/3 is biten by a werewolf and transformed into a werewolf does he become CR+1 i.e. CR1/2 or does become CR1 OR 2 as a wolf is CR 1 with the +1 CR for the template, also if the commoner gains levels do these increase his CR rating or only until they are higher than what being a werewolf gives him?
Rules for Lycanthrope say CR is +1 of the base creature (commoner) or base animal (wolf), whichever is higher. In this case a Commoner 1 Werewolf would be CR 2, technically. Now, CR is one of those values that is highly fudgeable. If a Commoner 1 werewolf doesn't seem like a challenge for 4 level 2 PCs, then you'd probably adjust the CR lower.
But remember, in hybrid form, the werewolf would probably have the best of ability scores from either the commoner 1 or a wolf.
All in all, CR is many times a judgement call when adding templates at the lower levels.
| babelbgm |
thanks for the lycanthrop, lcear as mud is the word lol.
Dont worry i didn't multiply the sneak attack damage for the critcal, it just that i do a 5d6 sneak attack and my daggers have improved sneak attack on them give an addtional 1d6 and their holy which is another 2d6! so all told i was doing d4+7 plus 8d6 sneak attack, and i was hasted and had two weapon style so i was doing 4 attacks around, but only hit with two attacks, and almost fumbled the second attack. but i just rolled really good! 53 points with one attack and 59 points in total with the critical!!
| Janzir |
Ta thanks thats what i thought but my gm wanted to make sure, after i got two attacks off on a flanked cloud giant, and done it a total of 111 hp, thats was with a critical, im not that normally that good lol
Your DM was right to question it. A Cloud Giant is 18 feet tall. How did you reach the vital areas? Did you use a bow? Did you take a full attack to recieve the two attacks for the round? Were you dual wielding? If so, then you'll have to explain how you reach vital areas. Paizo isn't specific, but 3.5 rules are. You cannot get sneak attack damage for swinging at arms and legs in lieu of vital areas you cannot reach.
So unless you have a good reason to reach the vital areas, you didn't qualify for a sneak attack.
| Otm-Shank |
babelbgm wrote:Ta thanks thats what i thought but my gm wanted to make sure, after i got two attacks off on a flanked cloud giant, and done it a total of 111 hp, thats was with a critical, im not that normally that good lolYour DM was right to question it. A Cloud Giant is 18 feet tall. How did you reach the vital areas? Did you use a bow? Did you take a full attack to recieve the two attacks for the round? Were you dual wielding? If so, then you'll have to explain how you reach vital areas. Paizo isn't specific, but 3.5 rules are. You cannot get sneak attack damage for swinging at arms and legs in lieu of vital areas you cannot reach.
So unless you have a good reason to reach the vital areas, you didn't qualify for a sneak attack.
You don't feel that a giant would consider his achilles tendon a vital area?
| Allia Thren |
First off, yes, a rogue's sneak attack is applied to any and all attacks in which the conditions are met. That includes multiple attacks in a round, as well as attacks of opportunity. However, note that additional "precision" damage, like sneak attack, is never multiplied with a critical strike. As a general rule, when you crit, you double, triple, or whatever any additional damage that doesn't involve extra dice, but only add damage from extra dice (like sneak attack) once.
As for a lycanthrope, yes, you acquire the Afflicted Lycanthrope template (see here). This includes an increase in your CR. This essentially means you do not gain the benefits of "leveling" until the level after next. Essentially, you end up "multiclassing" into taking one level of monster, you just don't get any extra hit points for it.
For example, a level 2 commoner gets afflicted with lycanthropy. He becomes a level 2 lycanthrope with commoner levels, CR 2. He then doesn't gain any additional class levels until he reaches level 4's experience mark, in which case he gains all the benefits of his 3rd level of commoner. He will then continue to level normally, except that he will always be one level of commoner behind.
Think of it kinda like a debt. When you acquire the lycanthropy template, you get a bunch of new stuff, kinda like you just gained a level. But you still don't have enough experience for that level. The game is willing to let you have the new stuff now, but you don't also get more stuff the next time you level. You instead have to "pay" for the new stuff you "owe" for at that level. Then, once you are out of "debt", you continue leveling as normal.
Clear as mud?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.
Level Adjustments aren't part of PF anymore from what I know, and what you're doing there would be exactly that.CR is mostly important for calculating mob encounters. That werewolf commoner is more dangerous than a normal commoner, so he counts as higher level.
A PC with lycanthrope would count as +1 level for calculating the party level adn difficulty of encounters, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't have an empty level.