Does Congress Have The Right To Ban Discrimination?


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I was unable to find my smurf to gold recipe :( I did however find the number for Orkin Pest control.


Is it discrimination if I smurf everyone equally?

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Heh, reminds me of something I saw on Youtube. A bunch of guys went around a city asking women to sign a petition to "Help stop the suffraging of women."

"Women are being forced to suffrage everyday!"

"If you don't sign, thousands of women will continue suffraging!"

Alot of women signed.


Oh no, this thread will not end well at all. {sits back with chocolate, marshmallows, & graham crackers and waits for the flames}

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snobi wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Does Congress Have The Right To Ban Discrimination?
I don't believe rights exist, so I would say no. They can ban whatever, but so what? Enforcement comes down to might.

Must be a sad little world you live in.

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the Smurfoz wrote:
Is it discrimination if I smurf everyone equally?

No :)

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You're all forgetting that we are all given the following inalienable rights as citizens: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

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Are inalienable rights those that are granted by aliens? Or those that protect us from aliens?

Because if it's the later, someone should really inform the predator.

and the xenomorphs.

and a lot of other creatures, because those things rarely respect our rights.

Spoiler:
Ack. Hate being on topic, but those rights are in the Declaration of Independence and, though very pretty, aren't really guaranteed to citizens by any governing document of the U.S. In particular, if you have an inalienable right to liberty, that means the government can't ever send you to jail.

And I shudder to think of the implications of an inalienable right to happiness that can be enforced against the government...


If the government can make drug use illegal then they can make discrimination illegal.


Xabulba wrote:

If the government can make drug use illegal then they can make discrimination illegal.

And we all know how well that worked out . . . .

:)


Would this be a bad time to point out the government should end the War on Drugs? After about 30 years of failure?

And considering they needed an amendment to actually make alcohol illegal what amendment actually gives Congress the power to make any other drug illegal?

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NPC Dave wrote:

Would this be a bad time to point out the government should end the War on Drugs? After about 30 years of failure?

And considering they needed an amendment to actually make alcohol illegal what amendment actually gives Congress the power to make any other drug illegal?

Failure? you assume of course that the main purpose of the war on drugs was to end the drug trade. In that it may have failed, but in perpetuating the war of fear, which has been given new dimension by 9/11, to continue the Culture Wars... it's succeeded fantastically.

So no, the folks who started the War on Drugs have no reason to give up on something that has served them so well.


Sebastian wrote:
And I shudder to think of the implications of an inalienable right to happiness that can be enforced against the government...

PURSUIT of happiness! PURSUIT!!!

The right is to ATTEMPT, not necessarily to SUCCEED!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!

[/pet peeve mode]


I have to say, as an outsider looking in, that the very fact that this would be a cause for debate seems odd

Here is the UK, there have recently been some high-profile cases of prosecutions under our "Access to goods and services" laws & cases under out equaliy legislation

as to the "organisation for boys only" the laws here have a "Genuine organisational requirement" get-out, so if your group has a genuine support function of some kind, it is allowed to have a restricted membership list - and the law is worded to be interprited on the "side" of equality - ie, it is the burden on the organisation to prove that it needs to be male, or female, or whatever, only

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Congress repeals DADT Slightly related

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Orthos wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
And I shudder to think of the implications of an inalienable right to happiness that can be enforced against the government...

PURSUIT of happiness! PURSUIT!!!

The right is to ATTEMPT, not necessarily to SUCCEED!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!

[/pet peeve mode]

I could admit I was wrong, but instead, I'm going to imply that I have a valid reason for taking out the "pursuit" part.

That's a fair point - so many people cite the "right" to happiness (omitting the pursuit part) that I tend to forget it. It's not a right to begin with, so I'm pretty far away from the line between giving a damn and not over whether there is a right to the pursuit or the happiness itself, but you're correct that it's not technically correct to imply a right to happiness at all.

More importantly, I can't deny a man his pet peever, particularly since the frequent claim of "the Constitution guarantees the right to (the pursuit of) happiness" is one of my pet peeves.

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The one thing we're all forgetting here - in order for Congress to take action, they must first be told of a discriminatory practice. In other words, a person or organization can discriminate all it wants, but if no one complains about it, no action will be taken by Congress, or anyone else - simply because they are unaware of it.

It's nice to think that legislation will instantly cure all ills (discrimination or otherwise), but in reality, the legislation will not be implemented in the first place unless someone (lobbyists, constituents, victims, etc.) brings it to the attention of the appropriate parties.

And then, even if the legislation passes, there is no guarantee the laws will be enforced consistently across the country for the same reasons. If no one complains about it or brings it to the attention of the authorities, no action will be taken. For example, if anyone thinks passing legislation to ban abortion will stop abortion from happening, they are sadly mistaken. The same holds true for any ban on discrimination that is passed.

So, based on the OP's question: "Does Congress have the right to ban discrimination?", my answer would be "no". They do not have the "right" to do so, but they do have an obligation to act to ban discriminatory practices that are brought to their attention by their constituents if the acts infringe upon the rights of American citizens.

And for those who believe a free market system will correct itself, I would direct you to Wall Street's activities over the last few years for examples of this pitfall - unethical business practices, "creative" accounting, Ponzi schemes, and more should illustrate why a balance between government and the free market system is necessary to protect the interests of private citizens.

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Crimson Jester wrote:
snobi wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Does Congress Have The Right To Ban Discrimination?
I don't believe rights exist, so I would say no. They can ban whatever, but so what? Enforcement comes down to might.
Must be a sad little world you live in.

It is. Rights exist, but in fact, enforcement does come down to might. As Mao succinctly put it, "power stems from the barrel of a gun." Rights exist only insofar as there are men and women with rifles who are ready to kill or die to guarantee them.


Larry Lichman wrote:


And for those who believe a free market system will correct itself, I would direct you to Wall Street's activities over the last few years for examples of this pitfall - unethical business practices, "creative" accounting, Ponzi schemes, and more should illustrate why a balance between government and the free market system is necessary to protect the interests of private citizens.

Wall Street was not and is not a free market system.

It was and is a mercantile/monopolist system granted certain monopoly privileges from the US government, such as US companies being forced to sell their stock on certain US stock exchanges.

If there actually was a free market, for example, some companies would skip the stock exchanges and just sell their stock on the Internet directly to buyers.

The reason things got so bad was because Wall Street knew that the government would come bail them out...and they were right. It didn't matter how far they leveraged, if they were wrong the government would get the Federal Reserve to print enough $ to cover their losses. Goldman Sachs knew it could do anything it wanted including fraud...because it had its man, Paulson, as the friggin Treasury Secretary. When crap hit the fan in 2008, Paulson protected his own.

I guarantee you it will happen again, I just can't tell you when. Greece was just the latest symptom of the problem, the Europeans and even Asia(China and Japan) are in the same boat. Nothing changed under Obama, his Treasury Secretary is also an ex-Goldman Sach's employee.

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Charlie Bell wrote:
Rights exist, but in fact, enforcement does come down to might. As Mao succinctly put it, "power stems from the barrel of a gun." Rights exist only insofar as there are men and women with rifles who are ready to kill or die to guarantee them.

I guess it's semantics. I look at a "right" as something that can't be taken away. If it can be taken away, then I'm just deluding myself if I think I have some sort of inalienable right to it. I just have temporary access to it until somebody or something (murderer, tornado, meteor, alien, etc.) decides otherwise.

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Charlie Bell wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
snobi wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Does Congress Have The Right To Ban Discrimination?
I don't believe rights exist, so I would say no. They can ban whatever, but so what? Enforcement comes down to might.
Must be a sad little world you live in.
It is. Rights exist, but in fact, enforcement does come down to might. As Mao succinctly put it, "power stems from the barrel of a gun." Rights exist only insofar as there are men and women with rifles who are ready to kill or die to guarantee them.

Conan: The riddle... of steel.

Thulsa Doom: Yes! You know what it is, don't you boy? Shall I tell you? It's the least I can do. Steel isn't strong, boy, flesh is stronger! Look around you. There, on the rocks; a beautiful girl. Come to me, my child...
Thulsa Doom: [coaxes the girl to jump to her death]
Thulsa Doom: That is strength, boy! That is power! What is steel compared to the hand that wields it? Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart, I gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe. Crucify him!

Grand Lodge

Charlie Bell wrote:

It is. Rights exist, but in fact, enforcement does come down to might. As Mao succinctly put it, "power stems from the barrel of a gun."

Gandhi would disagree... and he took on the British Empire, who wasn't being gentle at the time.

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I've been lurkin around here, and finally decided I would chime in with my 2cp:

Congress does not have the "right" to ban discrimination, they have a duty to do so. The reason we do not have a "true" democracy, but rather a representative republic, is so that a simple majority vote cannot take away the rights of minorities. (Prop 8 was a perfectly horrible example of what a true democracy would do to minorities) We elect people to not only make laws, but to "think about the little guy" as well.

If you don't like your Congressman or your President then cast your vote against them...but don't piss and moan if the guy you wanted doesn't get in, because obviously more people than you want him/her to represent your district/country. There will come a time when "your" guy will get in and people who disagree with them will have to endure as you're enduring whomever is in that you don't agree with.

That being said, giving super-corps the same rights as an individual citizen pretty much guarantees that your vote ceases to count. Congresspersons are all about who is going to donate to their campaign, and when corporations can make unlimited donations, the average American's voice is going to be drowned out by greedy self-serving corporations. The election cycle needs to be severely limited, equal funding made available to all candidates, and donations (both private and corporate) disallowed. Only then will we have representatives who will truly be willing and able to cast the votes that their constituents want them to.
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Seems to have some bearing on the topic at hand...

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LazarX wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:

It is. Rights exist, but in fact, enforcement does come down to might. As Mao succinctly put it, "power stems from the barrel of a gun."

Gandhi would disagree... and he took on the British Empire, who wasn't being gentle at the time.

Arguably, Gandhi was relying on public sentiment--which amounts to the same thing.

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Lets just ban Banning things ok

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