I, too, have been surprised by excellent points coming from people I had previously considered to be a waste of time. Even a broken clock twice a day, etc. I believe most of us are perfectly capable of skimming posts to see if they're topical or worthwhile, it's not that big a deal. On the other hand, ignoring someone means that you won't even have a chance to appreciate that one in a million post where they string together a coherent set of ideas. So I think when you hit ignore, you only hurt yourself... and by extension when you include an ignore option, you only hurt the site it's on.
Also, despite claims that might be made about an ignore feature being used on flamers and trolls, I think the real reason most people use an ignore button is so that they can avoid debate altogether when they find someone they disagree with but aren't able to "defeat" in discussion.
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Also, despite claims that might be made about an ignore feature being used on flamers and trolls, I think the real reason most people use an ignore button is so that they can avoid debate altogether when they find someone they disagree with but aren't able to "defeat" in discussion.
On the other hand, I think the real reason most people are opposed to an ignore button is so they can force everyone to read feculence such as this.
Seriously, if that's what you believe, then so what? If that's what people want to do, then let them. You're not entitled to their attention or response. If they'd prefer to maintain their sanity by avoidance of your inanity, LET THEM.
I thought this matter was done, anyhow? Didn't Paizo say no?
I have completed a user-friendly version of the script. There are some rough edges I'd like to smooth out, but it's functional enough to release to users.
Installation
In order to make use of this you need three things, and you are recommended to install them in this order:
1. Firefox
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html
2. Greasemonkey
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748/
3. another_mage's paizo_ignore script
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~meade/greasemonkey/paizo_ignore.user.js
Usage
On the messageboards, where you typically see "Flag | List | Reply" you will now see "Ignore | Flag | List | Reply". If you click "Ignore", all of that person's posts will immediately disappear. They will also be added to your personal ignore list; none of their posts will show up on any future threads that you browse.
If you decide you would like to stop ignoring somebody, scroll down to the very bottom of the page and you will see something like this:
Ignored: DeathQuaker | KenderKin | TriOmegaZero |
Click the name of the person you would like to remove from the ignore list. IMPORTANT: Their posts will not reappear immediately. You will need to reload the page in order to see the posts again. This is one of those rough edges I mentioned at the beginning.
Notes
- This is a greasemonkey script running in the user's browser on their own computer. If you are not running the script, there will be absolutely no difference in your online experience. (The script runs locally for those who install it, not on Paizo's computers.)
- I've given the script quite a workout while creating it, however, it may contain bugs. If it starts to adversely affect your online experience, click the Greasemonkey icon in the lower right-hand corner of your...
Is it just me or has the script stopped working?
Yea, I just noticed it also.
-- david
Papa.DRB
Is it just me or has the script stopped working?
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I figured today's changes would break a third-party ignore script. They might actually make creating a new one easier, but I wouldn't be surprised if future changes break that one too. Our policy on ignoring individual posters hasn't changed, though please note that you can now hide entire threads if you like.
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I figured today's changes would break a third-party ignore script. They might actually make creating a new one easier, but I wouldn't be surprised if future changes break that one too. Our policy on ignoring individual posters hasn't changed, though please note that you can now hide entire threads if you like.
Indeed, it seems both the ignore script and the topic auto-link script are both broken.
On the bright side, you are correct, the new page structure does lend itself to an easier/better script.
Alas, change happens. I'll have to put out an update for these scripts.
I'll see how I feel after the gym tonight; if I'm not exhausted, I'll work on it then.
If I am exhausted, it may need to wait for the weekend.
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Indeed, it seems both the ignore script and the topic auto-link script are both broken.
On the bright side, you are correct, the new page structure does lend itself to an easier/better script.
Alas, change happens. I'll have to put out an update for these scripts.
I'll see how I feel after the gym tonight; if I'm not exhausted, I'll work on it then.
If I am exhausted, it may need to wait for the weekend.
Thank you for you work in advance. I've been a member of this board since 2007 and so I know the level of tolerance for people who I disagree with and can tolerate a difference of opinion and those who are just straight up jerks just for the sake of being a jerk and are jerks CONSISTENTLY.
Whatever knowledgeable or well informed point they could make or might make in the future is forever negated by the many times they have been jerks or abusive for no other reason than they can be. So, yeah. Ignore script. PLEASE.
Thanks again in advance.
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I figured today's changes would break a third-party ignore script. They might actually make creating a new one easier, but I wouldn't be surprised if future changes break that one too.
But you did it despite that side effect, not for it, right?
Our policy on ignoring individual posters hasn't changedNeither has mine
though please note that you can now hide entire threads if you like.
I find it a lot more useful to hide entire users. Threads aren't usually the problem, and they're easier to ignore. It's if you have to treat a thread you do want to read like a mine field that things get annoying.
Indeed, it seems both the ignore script and the topic auto-link script are both broken.
On the bright side, you are correct, the new page structure does lend itself to an easier/better script.
Alas, change happens. I'll have to put out an update for these scripts.
I'll see how I feel after the gym tonight; if I'm not exhausted, I'll work on it then.
If I am exhausted, it may need to wait for the weekend.
Don't overtax yourself, the weekend will be fine. I can endure/do without the boards for a few days.
You're still my personal hero - without your script, I wouldn't be posting here.
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I figured today's changes would break a third-party ignore script. They might actually make creating a new one easier, but I wouldn't be surprised if future changes break that one too.But you did it despite that side effect, not for it, right?
We don't have any real incentive to go out and deliberately break third-party scripts.
You're still my personal hero - without your script, I wouldn't be posting here.
Err... make that "We didn't previously have any real incentive to go out and deliberately break third-party scripts..."
Strange, I don't think KaeYoss has responded to me in a while...
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Strange, I don't think KaeYoss has responded to me in a while...
!!!
I'm relishing in the fact that he has to read my posts. Now I can say all those things I addressed to him and which have been ignored for months such as...
Uh...
Hrm...
Oh well, I'm sure I'll think of something. Kisses to you KaeYoss!
Ah hah! He favorited a post of mine about a month ago.
...now I need to convince myself that searching for that wasn't a waste of time
I still get a giggle that KaeYoss, of all people, considers an ignore script a vital part of his experience on the forum ;-)
Have to admit, that made me blink...
Also, despite claims that might be made about an ignore feature being used on flamers and trolls, I think the real reason most people use an ignore button is so that they can avoid debate altogether when they find someone they disagree with but aren't able to "defeat" in discussion.On the other hand, I think the real reason most people are opposed to an ignore button is so they can force everyone to read feculence such as this.
Seriously, if that's what you believe, then so what? If that's what people want to do, then let them. You're not entitled to their attention or response. If they'd prefer to maintain their sanity by avoidance of your inanity, LET THEM.
I thought this matter was done, anyhow? Didn't Paizo say no?
Then there's some that almost kinda defeat themselves, like using judo against a drunk.
Strange, I don't think KaeYoss has responded to me in a while...
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You're not on my list, so maybe your posts were just boring :P
Err... make that "We didn't previously have any real incentive to go out and deliberately break third-party scripts..."
You're still my personal hero - without your script, I wouldn't be posting here.
Hey, no need to switch around scripts. If you don't want my business, you can just say so.
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I don't have any particular interest in having an ignore feature (I'd never want to use it - skipping a post in a thread drives me crazy), but I'm curious whether it's been suggested to have a "collapse post" form of ignore instead of a "hide post" form? Basically, the equivalent of wrapping the entire post by anyone you've "ignored" in a spoiler tag. It's still there, and a single click will show it, replies to it will still cite it correctly and everything, but it could be hidden for those who want to skip it.
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Removed a post. Personal attacks ≠ cool.
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I have completed Ignore Script (Version 3) that is compatible with Paizo's new page structure.
In order to use this script, you must be running Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome.
Mozilla Firefox (Notes)
If you have Firefox, you will need to install the Greasemonkey Plug-In before you will be able to use the script.
Google Chrome (Notes)
If you have Chrome, you must configure it to allow the ignore list to be stored on your computer.
[Wrench Icon] -> Preferences (menu item) -> Under the Hood (sidebar) -> Privacy (section) -> Content Settings (button) -> Cookies (section)
This must be set to "Allow local data to be set (recommended)" or you need to click the "Manage Exceptions..." button to make an exception for paizo.com
Installation
Both Firefox and Chrome use the same ignore script. Click the link to the script and you should be prompted to install it.
Usage
On the messageboards, where you typically see "Flag | List | Reply" you will now see "Ignore | Flag | List | Reply". If you click "Ignore", the person will be added to your personal ignore list. On future page loads, their posts will be automatically removed.
If you decide you would like to stop ignoring somebody, scroll down to the very bottom of the page and you will see something like this:
Ignored: DeathQuaker | KenderKin | TriOmegaZero |
Click on the name you wish to remove from the list. On future page loads, their posts will no longer be removed.
General Notes
Unlike previous versions, the posts do not disappear immediately. Clicking to ignore or stop ignoring will seem to do nothing, until the next time you load the page.
Unlike previous versions, this version will ignore the user and all aliases tied to that account. Ignoring the account or any alias will suffice to remove them all. (Due to this, your old ignore list may no longer work. Sorry about that.)
Like previous versions, this version is also licensed under the GNU General Public License v3+. In a nutshell, it means you are free to download, use, modify, and share (as long as you share-alike).
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I'll see how I feel after the gym tonight; if I'm not exhausted, I'll work on it then.
If I am exhausted, it may need to wait for the weekend.Don't overtax yourself, the weekend will be fine. I can endure/do without the boards for a few days.
You're still my personal hero - without your script, I wouldn't be posting here.
Wow. I'm happy to have read that.
No kidding, the very first house rule that I adopted for my Pathfinder group was your post about Elven Finesse Blades.
I have a player who wanted to play an Elf Rogue who fought with a TWF/Finesse style. He mistook Elven Curve Blade for a one-handed weapon until I pointed it out. So, his character concept was doomed; until I found your post and approved it for my game.
So yeah, I'm glad that you post here. So is my player.
I have completed Ignore Script (Version 3) that is compatible with Paizo's new page structure.
Well done!
Unlike previous versions, this version will ignore the user and all aliases tied to that account. Ignoring the account or any alias will suffice to remove them all.
Can you read minds? That was one thing I often thought would be very helpful for this script, but I never thought of, or got around to, telling you to include it. I guess other people had the same idea.
(Due to this, your old ignore list may no longer work. Sorry about that.)
No problem.
By the way, I saw some "xxx aka yyy" entries in the list, but not all aliases of all posters with them are mentioned. What's with that? Is it when I ignore someone via the alias rather than the actual account name?
Bump, thanks fro the script, A_Mage.
WHO DARES TO DISTURB MY SEVEN MONTH SLUMBER!?
Bump, thanks fro the script, A_Mage.
You're welcome. My profile has links to my other scripts as well.
Nope.avi
What's with all the empty threads?
I don't know if it's just me, but the recent changes to the board have broken the Ignore script (on Chrome for Vista, if that makes any difference). I'm suffering here... :-(
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We expend exactly zero effort to make sure that script keeps working, but this thread might help.
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I would gladly use the ignore feature on this website, and probably use it alot as it Seems like if people don't get their way in the discussion they don't want anything to do with you. Some people here seem to think they are superior, I'm here to relax and socialize but some people here think everything they say is right and if you argue with them you're considered an Imp to them.
We expend exactly zero effort to make sure that script keeps working, but this thread might help.
Thanks, Gary!
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Over the years, I have heavily modified my original stance. I recant my earlier statements and now support the addition of an official Ignore function, for the following reasons:
First of all, not offering an Ignore function does not prevent posters from Ignoring one another. It just makes it harder—they are forced to download clients and the like to make the forums usable. Any suggestion that adding an Ignore function would change the "culture" of Paizo for the worst is childish and naive. If such a function really would change the culture, it has already done so whether or not Paizo sanctioned it.
Secondly, failing to implement an Ignore function makes things harder on moderators. Users who despise each other are forced to put up with one another. Users dealing with harassment are forced to obtain objective proof that harassment is taking place so that they can obtain actual moderator intervention (something which many harassment victims don't actually want to do). And new users, who will not know about the unofficial Ignore option, may just feel unsafe and leave. It is not a user-friendly interface.
Overall, Paizo's policy isn't just dumb, unprofessional and old-fashioned—it's neglectful and repugnant, and sends a bad message about Paizo's community priorities.
I am aware that Paizo will continue to ignore community preferences on this one, but as I have previously stuck my neck out to defend the backwards policy, I felt I should make it clear that I no longer stand by those defenses. A Block function is a basic necessity for a community this large and this prone to toxic behavior.
We are not some friendly utopia. We have started flamewars over magic martial arts moves. It is high time for Paizo to grow up.
Do you mean "ignore" or do you mean "block".
An 'ignore' feature allows a person to choose not to see someone else's posts.
A 'block' feature allows a person to hide their own posts from someone else and keep that someone from commenting or using other features (faves, etc) around their posts.
Very different effects on participation.
I am active on a site that calls their 'ignore' function a 'block'. The fury when people discover that 'blocking' someone still allows them to read the OP's posts is something to behold.
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I think that a "block" function would be no bad thing! Sorry, I didn't know there was a difference. Basically, "Ignore" is bare minimum community protection.
I need an ignore button so I can ignore requests for an ignore button!
*Padaox!!*
*Thread destroyed!!*
I personally just see names of people that have bothered me in the past and just scroll past them without reading. Ignore button would be more convenient.
I think that a "block" function would be no bad thing! Sorry, I didn't know there was a difference. Basically, "Ignore" is bare minimum community protection.
The big problem with "block" features is that you cannot actually implement them on sites that have public posting.
If I 'block' you on Paizo, all you need to do is sign out and you can read all my public posts. [Which, as far as I know is every post I make on the Paizo site, since there are no 'signed-in-users-only' private forums]
Paizo can control what signed in users can see, but if the thread is visible to everyone on the internet, there's no way they can stop you from signing out and reading it anyway. Then you sign back in and respond.
"Blocking" only works if you are making private posts, either because the entire board is invisible on the internet, or if you have privacy features like Facebook that allow you to make some posts private and some public.
ETA
A 'block' function can also keep a user from contacting another user . Again, Paizo can control what happens on their own pages and they do allow you to block other users this way in private communications. But they can't keep people from reading your posts on the public pages.
Like I said, my main focus is on the Ignore feature brought up in this thread. By "no bad thing", I meant that I couldn't see any particular harm in a Block feature (aside from it being pointless) and had no personal opposition. :)