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Now I've got '70's sf filk songs running through my head.Let's hear it now for Isis
Who will help us through this crisis,
And who hasn't raised her prices,
So she's good enough for me.We appeal to Aphrodite,
Who is, yeah, kinda flighty,
But she wears that see-through nightie,
So she's good enough for me.I'm sure we could whip up some Golarion verses if given half a chance.
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OK Chris you asked for it:
It was good enough for Shelyn
Who puts up with Cayden's wailing
and forgives him all his failings
and it's good enough for me

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Dragonborn3 wrote:Mercy and Forgiveness? 3 words: Salem Witch Trials.4 words: Over three centuries ago. If we're going to bear grudges over something that happened so long ago, I guess America should still have ill feelings towards the Japanese and Germans. Hell, we should still hate the Brits. ;)
By that reasoning, anyone who was in a concentration during camp the Holocaust should forgive Hitler, and those who lost family at Pearl Harbor should forgive the kamikaze pilots. I'm not going to say is hasn't happened, just that I believe it to be highly unlikely.
The fact they accused innocents of witchcraft(though what they were accused of was sorcery, not witchcraft) for personal gain is something I won't forget.
I personally want to go back in time and tell them all "Thou shalt not kill!" and see what happens.

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Garydee wrote:Dragonborn3 wrote:Mercy and Forgiveness? 3 words: Salem Witch Trials.4 words: Over three centuries ago. If we're going to bear grudges over something that happened so long ago, I guess America should still have ill feelings towards the Japanese and Germans. Hell, we should still hate the Brits. ;)
By that reasoning, anyone who was in a concentration during camp the Holocaust should forgive Hitler, and those who lost family at Pearl Harbor should forgive the kamikaze pilots. I'm not going to say is hasn't happened, just that I believe it to be highly unlikely.
The fact they accused innocents of witchcraft(though what they were accused of was sorcery, not witchcraft) for personal gain is something I won't forget.
I just have to say that you are mixing apples and oranges here. To my knowledge, there are no participants from the Salem witch trial still alive. However, there are Holocaust survivors still alive and Holocaust perpetrators. We should not forget either episode because it reminds us to be better people, but to be pissed about an event that happened three centuries ago that did not personally effect you seems a tad bit overboard.

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Apples and Oranges? Maybe, maybe not.

Xabulba |

How come it seems like these missionary types never want to go to place where christianity isn't practiced by very many people, you know places like Iran or Jordan or Afganistan?
They don't have to go all the way to Australia to preach to drunks and adulterers all they have to do is move to south LA.

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How come it seems like these missionary types never want to go to place where christianity isn't practiced by very many people, you know places like Iran or Jordan or Afganistan?
They don't have to go all the way to Australia to preach to drunks and adulterer all they have to do is move to south LA.
But they don't want to be killed. Especially in L.A. :)

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DM Wellard wrote:
It was good enough for Shelyn
Who puts up with Cayden's wailing
and forgives him all his failings
and it's good enough for meLet's hear it now for Gorum,
with great cheers and no decorum,
'cause the fighters all adore 'im
And he's good enough for me.
Let's not forget Aroden,
Who was dead before 2010,All his followers were crying,
and that's good enough for me.

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How come it seems like these missionary types never want to go to place where christianity isn't practiced by very many people, you know places like Iran or Jordan or Afganistan?
They don't have to go all the way to Australia to preach to drunks and adulterers all they have to do is move to south LA.
It's a bit more difficult to get into places that very openly don't want you -- like Afganistan. That being said, I know of some missionaries that are there. And Jordan and Iran. As well as other places you may not think of being quite as closed like China and Thailand -- but they are. And I know a number of them in places that are "local" like Oakland. Keep in mind that most of these "missionaries" are not standing on the street corner forcing the Bible down people's throats. They actually have real jobs and many of them get paid very little or are volunteer -- things like engineering, computers, and a lot of them are in the medical profession providing medical care to those people who can't afford it.
The truth is that you will probably never hear about or from the "good" missionaries. They will not be in the presses. In many cases they are trying to keep a pretty low profile. But most of them are simply trying their best to help the people in the community -- wherever that may be. Ultimately their goal is to provide something wonderful, and get the other person to ask why they are doing it.

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Dragonborn3 wrote:I just have to say that you are mixing apples and oranges here. To my knowledge, there are no participants from the Salem witch trial still alive. However, there are Holocaust survivors still alive and Holocaust perpetrators. We should not forget either episode because it reminds us to be better people, but to be pissed about an event that happened three centuries ago that did not personally effect you seems a tad bit overboard.Garydee wrote:Dragonborn3 wrote:Mercy and Forgiveness? 3 words: Salem Witch Trials.4 words: Over three centuries ago. If we're going to bear grudges over something that happened so long ago, I guess America should still have ill feelings towards the Japanese and Germans. Hell, we should still hate the Brits. ;)
By that reasoning, anyone who was in a concentration during camp the Holocaust should forgive Hitler, and those who lost family at Pearl Harbor should forgive the kamikaze pilots. I'm not going to say is hasn't happened, just that I believe it to be highly unlikely.
The fact they accused innocents of witchcraft(though what they were accused of was sorcery, not witchcraft) for personal gain is something I won't forget.
Under that logic I should hate those of the islamic countries because they would execute me on site for being gay. (I don't I just think they're misguided) After all this time the people involved in the act (or mostly in the case of the holocaust) are dead and gone. What you need to do is not blame it on any particular group or religion because they obviously don't approve of such actions (except for maybe a few extremist fringe factions). Holding a grudge is no way to live your life.

The 8th Dwarf |

those who lost family at Pearl Harbor should forgive the kamikaze pilots.
Sorry to threadjack but there were no Kamikaze at Pearl Harbour. There was one suicide attack because the Pilot was not going to make it back to the Carrier.
The first offical turn your aircraft into a flying bomb occurred during October of 1944 when Vice Admiral Takijiro Onishi decided to form a suicide attack force, the Special Attack Unit. In a meeting at Mabalacat Airfield (known to the U.S. military as Clark Air Base) near Manila, on October 19, Onishi told officers of the 201st Flying Group headquarters: "I don't think there would be any other certain way to carry out the operation [to hold the Philippines], than to put a 250 kg bomb on a Zero and let it crash into a U.S. carrier, in order to disable her for a week."
Sorry to threadjack now back to your regular transmission.

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The 8th Dwarf |

The 8th Dwarf wrote:threadjackeryDragonborn3 wrote:those who lost family at Pearl Harbor should forgive the kamikaze pilots.Sorry to threadjack
*snip*Sorry to threadjack now back to your regular transmission.
From the website
First attacks
Beginning with the Pearl Harbor Attack, Japanese suicide bombers sporadically crashed their planes into the enemy as a spur-of-the-moment decision (There was one Suicide attack at Pearl Harbour).
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They weren't officially Kamikaze and both allied and German pilots did the same thing (not often but it did happen, so it can be said to fit the "sporadically" from the above passage) so until the official unit is formed Japanese suicide attacks can be considered no different to that of everybody else.

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Or maybe we did not burn enough witches?
[edit: an example not my true feelings on the matter]
Statements like that and the proceeding help not with the reality of today. Similar issues come up in the middle east when trying to do anything in certain countries. You get labeled Crusader for helping in a soup kitchen for the poor.
While I say we must remember the past or as the saying goes we are doomed to repeat it. I also believe that we must not get caught up in what happened in the past and put modern attitudes towards the same things. Then you get into a habit of saying "well some ancient group [insert your own] had such and such habit [insert your own] we should as well. Lest we forget those societies no longer exist for a reason.

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How come it seems like these missionary types never want to go to place where christianity isn't practiced by very many people, you know places like Iran or Jordan or Afganistan?
They don't have to go all the way to Australia to preach to drunks and adulterers all they have to do is move to south LA.
The church I attend supports missionaries in India, (Lima) Peru, Myanmar, and Vietnam. Our Indian mission revolves around an orphange and bible school (Post-secondary). Our Peruvian mission is centralized around a medical mission (providing medical, dental, and vision care to the poor) and some work with the prisons. Our Myanmar mission is all about preaching the Gospel, pure and simple. The Burmese brother that we work with was arrested, "tried", convicted and sentenced to death. The sentence hasn't been carried out because it's not politically expedient to execute him for being a Christian in Myanmar right now. He's currently under house arrest (meaning he can't leave the country or region where he lives), but he's still running a church and preaching to the Burmese. I don't know much about the Vietnamese mission work.
Additionally, we support missionaries in Iowa and Wisconsin. It's mostly a door-knocking mission.
I daresay there are Chrsitian missionaries in every country of the world. Some are forced to keep a lower profile than others and may be harder to locate as a result.
-Skeld

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:And Ivan the Terrible!Todd Stewart wrote:Being from NC, my only question (asked warily) is: "Who are these Gibbs people?" Seriously, I've never heard of them. But I'm an icon worshipping Orthodox heathen. :DJust like Vlad the Impaler!
And Rasputin the Mad Monk!

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taig RPG Superstar 2012 |

Heathansson wrote:Sorry; popped out to Wal Mart searching for an Oscar Wilde action figure. The closest I could find was Rowdy Roddy Piper...I think it's customizing time.Yer lookin' in the wrong place.
That still looks like The 8th Doctor to me.

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Oh no .... YD, don't tell me you've gone and blown up Woolies in protest?!
:P It wasnt the Woolies they hit with the Bombing in Darwin, it was the TIO building (Insurance company) Notorious for screwing the little people when it comes time to pay out on housing and life insurance. Twat didnt even make an effort...went with a petrol bomb apparently.
Someone has apparently turned themselves into the police station - yes I watch the news.
Mind you the Old Woolies stands at the heart of the city and is vacant. Disused for 20 years. Ideal spot for investment.

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Vic Wertz wrote:But he does have a plushie!Urizen wrote:That's it? That is a good price. I was expecting much higher. Hmmm... I'd love to find a Nietszche action figure."Nietszche" and "action" sure aren't words you see that close to together very often.
That is awesome. He needs to go on my self with my Hawaiian Cthulhu.

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Crimson Jester wrote:Full of fond childhood memories that Woolies...Even the giant Dinosaur emerging from the hyperspatial rift to eat people.yellowdingo wrote:Will wonders never cease? :P
Someone has apparently turned themselves into the police station - yes I watch the news.
That sounds Like Primeval the Brit TV show. The little blond on that show is cute.
Do the Dino's eat the Kanga's?

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Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee;
Let the water and the blood,
From Thy wounded side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure;
Save from wrath and make me pure.
Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone.
Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to the cross I cling;
Naked, come to Thee for dress;
Helpless look to Thee for grace;
Foul, I to the fountain fly;
Wash me, Savior, or I die.
While I draw this fleeting breath,
When mine eyes shall close in death,
When I soar to worlds unknown,
See Thee on Thy judgment throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee