TWF + IUS + Shield = ?


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If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?


Mynameisjake wrote:
If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?

No

Pathfinder wrote:


Two-Weapon Fighting
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand...

Both the description in combat and the feat indicates that youll be using an "off hand" (and a primary :P) to make two-weapons combat

Solution: grow a third arm, there you go xD


(in obvious pain)...must...not...make...third arm...joke...must...maintain...control....

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Mynameisjake wrote:
If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?

Yes. One handed weapon would be primary, unarmed knee strike would be secondary.


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James Risner wrote:
Mynameisjake wrote:
If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?
Yes. One handed weapon would be primary, unarmed knee strike would be secondary.

Or you could just get a sword, shield, and the improved shield bash feat, then smack them with your shield.

You can even get it spiked and enchant it as a weapon, instead of having to find magical knee-pads.


James Risner wrote:
Mynameisjake wrote:
If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?
Yes. One handed weapon would be primary, unarmed knee strike would be secondary.

It does say "off-hand" mate.


While it may not be explicitly stated in the RAW, I believe the monk is the only character than can use "any body part" equally well as weapons. For everyone else, the Improved Unarmed Strike feat merely removes the penalty of attacking without a manufactured or natural weapon, but it still assumes you'll be using your hands.


Xum wrote:
James Risner wrote:
Mynameisjake wrote:
If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?
Yes. One handed weapon would be primary, unarmed knee strike would be secondary.
It does say "off-hand" mate.

I think you're taking "off-hand" a little too literally. Spiked armor, for example, can be used "off-hand." Regardless, I sent a missive to Customer Service, hopefully they'll clear it up for us.

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That's a tough one.

IUS gives you the benefit of being considered to be armed even when unarmed.

TWF says;
You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon.

Note that only in monk does it mention that none of their unarmed strikes count as an offhand attacks.

Feat: Sword and Fist, from Kobold Quarterly

Here we go. This feat clears up that you can indeed use TWF in combination with IUS. I can't seem to find any references to a definition of what an unarmed strike is except in monk though and that could be argued to be a "monk" thing.

The easiest way to answer this question is to first ask your GM. "What do you define as an unarmed strike?" Because the book has no definition. When you figure that out, you'll know what you can do.

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Malachi Tarchannen wrote:
While it may not be explicitly stated in the RAW, I believe the monk is the only character than can use "any body part" equally well as weapons. For everyone else, the Improved Unarmed Strike feat merely removes the penalty of attacking without a manufactured or natural weapon, but it still assumes you'll be using your hands.

and

Scipion del Ferro wrote:
I can't seem to find any references to a definition of what an unarmed strike is except in monk though and that could be argued to be a "monk" thing

"Unarmed Attacks: Striking for damage with punches,

kicks, and head butts is much like attacking with a melee
weapon, except for the following:

Spoiler:

Attacks of Opportunity: Attacking unarmed provokes
an attack of opportunity from the character you attack,
provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes
before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke
attacks of opportunity from other foes, nor does it provoke
an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe.
An unarmed character can’t take attacks of opportunity
(but see “Armed” Unarmed Attacks, below).

“Armed” Unarmed Attacks: Sometimes a character’s or
creature’s unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A
monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat,
a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature
with natural physical weapons all count as being armed
(see natural attacks).
Note that being armed counts for both offense and
defense (the character can make attacks of opportunity).

Unarmed Strike Damage: An unarmed strike from a
Medium character deals 1d3 points of bludgeoning damage
(plus your Strength modifier, as normal). A Small character’s
unarmed strike deals 1d2 points of bludgeoning damage,
while a Large character’s unarmed strike deals 1d4 points of
bludgeoning damage. All damage from unarmed strikes is
nonlethal damage. Unarmed strikes count as light weapons
(for purposes of two-weapon attack penalties and so on).

Dealing Lethal Damage: You can specify that your
unarmed strike will deal lethal damage before you make
your attack roll, but you take a –4 penalty on your attack
roll. If you have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, you
can deal lethal damage with an unarmed strike without
taking a penalty on the attack roll."


pg. 182 Pathfinder Core Rulebook

It is not a monk exclusive attack to strike with body parts other than fists.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Excellent deduction! I believe the sir may now verily kick his opponents in the teeth while retaining his full shield AC bonus.


Great! Now I just need to find some +2 Boots....

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Mynameisjake wrote:
Great! Now I just need to find some +2 Boots....

Aren't there like boot knives that just use martial proficiency? Maybe in Complete Scoundrel. Give you an extra...feat.


I think they have knee blades, too. Altho I envision getting stuck to the bottom of a table....

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