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The max damage for a fall that would not allow a second fly check(*) would be at 500 ft for 50d6 or an average of 175 damage.
That's a pretty dead dragon.

Under Enviromental rules

Falling

Creatures that fall take 1d6 points of damage per 10 feet fallen, to a maximum of 20d6...

I take back what i say about the alche, today i played one :P...

The inquisitor seems really powerfull, some threads have the mechianic explanation for this... in my experience (lvl 12, generic equipment), there is Always something i could do (and be almost good as a specialist) in and out of combat, and greater bane+the jugdment+stealth(or invisibility) that allows you to buff yourself= its a win over teams of 1-2 tough monsters... now i have to try a lvl 5 or 7...

Which raises a new question -- are they too good?

IMHO: the Cavalier, Oracle & Witch are at the same power-level of the basics... then comes the Alchemist, who is a bit better, and then the hell brakes loose with the inquisitor & the summoner

PF removed the maximun fall damage of 20d6?

Avenger focus or Avenger gift sound's good

It have came up in other threads, normally they say something like:

"The aura lasts for a number of rounds equal to your intelligence modifier. However if someone leaves the aura, it will last for them for a single round. Since you (the abjurer)will by definition always be in the aura, you receive the benefit for your intelligence modifier"

it works for me, and i think that there are some "protective-buffs" auras that if you walk away and re-enter it, you don't gain the benefit again...

However, i didn't find official answer in this matter in the forums

stuff... Note: Shields are a trap. They increase your AC (making you less attractive a target), reduce your damage (making you less attractive a target), and inhibit controller-like actions (making you less attractive a target).

It's incredibly how you guys (Vrock & MiB) can't see the point out of the mechanics...

Saying "Shields are a trap(making you less attractive a target" when you talk about a Tank, it means that Jhon EvilMonster will say "heck, this armored guy is hurting me, and is hard to hit (maybe the wall that carries with him have something to do with it), i will first deal with that annoying bastard in pijamas that shoots rays of fire and death"

It is a posibility that the mage has a better AC, but some Monsters will try to bite some and make her proper conclussions...
Maybe a fighter with two weapons is a more threating guy than one who carries a shield (i know, mechannicaly they are the same, or worse, the shield slaming guy is a bit better)

It's not about the rules, it's about "roleplaying" the battlefield, and not playing it like a board game...

...it's a failing of REALITY.

or a player with Mary_Sue/angel-summoner complex issue :P

Mechanically they seem to work well and at first glance they don't seem overpowered...

But.. the flavor is not there, maybe if the alchemist wass named "Mad Alchemist" or something alike... but as it is now, they are, like the good Ernest pointed out, "..."alchemists" from World of Warcraft and other computer games..."
If the mechanics don't change, the flavor and background applicable to this class will be VERY limited. I fear this kind of classes, they scream "pc-game!", and who likes that?

The inquisitor is nice, but the combination of abilities seems odd, there are too much "judgments" options... maybe you could take some of them and make another set of abilities... or make that you only know a number of judgments (and boost them to equilibrate the versatility losed) as it is now, it seems too versatil... (not game braking, but still... odd)

text :P

Thanks man, i will give it a peek in my retailer and see what i could work with that information, im a lazy @#~€@ :D

cheers

the forum eat my words :'(

short version: read this.

Awesome post

I love this post... you have spared me the time in posting in all the threads of that kind with this :)

jreyst: i hate 4ed with every inch of my tainted soul, but telling in the book that the party MUST have some roles filled was priceless, this concept is deeply within D&D from the very beggining, D&D IS a teamplay rpg, not like others products (Vampire of withe wolf or the entire line of world of darkness) that are played with a more "personal" view in the motivations and "end-game situations"...

There are plenty of games, take the time to know them.
Im not saying that you're in the wrong game, you could love the d&d mechanics, as i do, but if you want to play d&d in this "personal" way of motivations (and unique roles), you need a great storyteller, someone with more experience than D&D, 'couse the third edition has created a horde of players (and dm's) that play like the world is a roofless dungeon...

cheers!

Gorbacz wrote:

The only two problems I see are:

1. Player who picks a Fighter and expects to be able to do crazy stuff. There's ToB/duskblades/ek's for such people, and the rulebooks (firstly) and DMs (secondly) have the task of explaining people what does the class can and what it can't.

2. Other classes being better than Fighter at hitting things. The Paladin, under the right circumstances, comes ahead - but he has the whole RP burden attached, so it's not a class for everyone.

There's a third:

An optimized fighter only hits things well in his one specialty. Going back to Zurai's example, if the fighter doesn't get his full-round archery salvo before the balor gets to act, he pretty much gets owned. Moreso if the balor has someplace out of LOS from which to summon. This is not "All you get to do is do damage and that'll have to be enough." (That's rather the paladin's thing, actually.) This is "You get to win when you can make full-round archery attacks and get outshined by the cohort at anything else."

Fighters are still one-trick ponies; PF just buffed the trick.

I fully concur with Gorbacz... and i really don't see why you "insert class name here" have to OWN absolute everything that the master can throw you in your cr... in Pathfinder the classes seems more balanced than the old D&D version, and that is what I pretend to have, a game that don't make my players feel that the game is utterly broken...

A fighter switch-hitter could fill the role of a "warrior" in the party, as an X sorcerer not optimized can fill the rol for the "mage"... i believe that in a "arena" scenario, a party would have a chance against a balor, in my game the balor is going to win almost always, because im a fanatic of planescape and all the background is in that setting...
What im trying to say is, you are being real stubborn in comparing a balor to a fighter and say "the class is still crap, cause they have only one trick"... i believe that almost any other class has no oportunity in "solo-ing" the balor.... if you have a problem with the fighter, don't play with the class, or if you wanna do other things, multiclass, in my opinion the fighter is nice option in the current state...

"1) A heavy spiked shield does 1d6 damage, bashing adds 2 sizes, it becomes huge ... how does this end up at 2d6 damage I've read about ?"

1d6->1d8->2d6

Breakdown-time:

House-ruling time!

When it comes to "protection from X" o "negative energy mumbo-jumbo" im always inventing the counterpart spell. (Unless that spell granted some power breaking effect for a monster-cleric/mage that its not supposed to exist)

("Hold still, my vile minion, while I stitch together yer damaged hand...")

heheheheh...

in the case of the constructs... well "make whole" or "repair" could work, or some profession or craft related...

the bestiary states:
" Skill points equal to 2 + Int modifer (minimum 1) per Hit
Die. However, most constructs are mindless and gain no
skill points or feats. Constructs do not have any class skills,
regardless of their Intelligence scores."

If you are concerned that your players are going to smash some bleed damage and run, waiting the death of the golem, you could house rule that the constructs can take a standar action to reinforce her structure (and stop bleed damage) if you feel that they need a check... well, lets se... dc 15 vs a bonus equal hd?

I know it seems odd to do bleed damage to constructs, only if english were my nature language, i could explain my point of view in a more... convincing fashion :P
The thing is, the Ability needs a better name to be more clear in what it does and be more friendly to non-rpg-lawyers

Personally, I prefer Monte Cooks categorizing of the Craft feats. It's done by effect as opposed to the shape of the item. I highly recommend this system instead. It incorporates very easily into the normal rules, although pre-existing items may become mislabeled (elixir of love)...

Can you tell me the name of the book? sounds like a good option...

OT: The house rule sounds fair...

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Also, with Shield Mastery (I think) you're gonna want a +5 Bashing Light Shield ideally. It'll give you a +6 enhancement bonus to your attack/damage rolls, as well as a +6 shield bonus to your AC. Total awesome-sauce.

noup, Shield Mastery only let you use the BASE modifier of the shield (light shield +1/ heavy +2) this is in the faq

Source.

This matter have been discused in another thread, treat each channel divinity separately for dice purpose (say 5lvls of pal and 2 of cler, when you use the pal channel, 3d6, when you channel whit the cler pool, 1d6)

The times per day also are from differents sources, the paladins must sacrifice two healing hands to channel divinity while the cleric... well, don't :P

+Deadly aim and you got some ninja there :P (yes yes, i would not choose that feat for an "optimized" monk, but is a funny option)

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Go for it if you want to.

+1

Again on the WA feat : using it, must the character make all his attacks with the same weapon, or can he whirlwind with a sword and a flail (for instance - and this wouldn't add to the number of attacks, of course)?

No, same weapon

Whirlwhind attack
Benefit: When you use the full-attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make one melee attack at your highest base attack bonus against each opponent within reach. You must make a separate attack roll against each opponent.

When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you also forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.

I still have a very dificult time knowing all types of bonuses and which ones are stacable with each other, armor and itself. Can't you guys that are experts make a quick explanation on them all?

if the bonuses got diferent names, staks...

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A +1 DISMAL Ring (Deflection, Insight, Sacred, Morale, And Luck) gives a +5 bonus to AC for about 15K. It gives a +10 bonus to AC for about 50k, the cost of a +5 Deflection Ring. And it gives +15 AC for about 175k.

And, mind you, that's all Touch AC....

===Aelryinth

i could see that insight and luck could apply to the touch ac... but sacred and morale? i searched briefly and i didn't found anything about that...

And, i know you could craft a item with diferent bonuses for more gold, but i don't see where are the prices for including sacred/insight/morale/luck bonuses... could you point it out these for me, please? /ninja'ed, i founded them, now im doing some math :P

Don't forget the -4 for cover, stakeable with the -4 for targeting a melee... for a ray nuker i would say that precise shot is a must-have

If you have Two Weapon Fighting and Improved Unarmed Strike, could you use a one handed weapon to strike as the primary attack, kick (or knee, etc.) for a secondary attack, and still gain the benefit of the shield?

No

Two-Weapon Fighting
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand...

Both the description in combat and the feat indicates that youll be using an "off hand" (and a primary :P) to make two-weapons combat

Solution: grow a third arm, there you go xD

In a quick reading of the rules, yes, BUT, to PUSH a hobgoblin more than 5 feet, you have to move with him... (and, in my interpetation of the rules, you HAVE to move with him even if the distance its 5' only, it seems that you are reading bullrush like "awesome blow", and its more "pushing" than "bating" your enemies with your shield :P)