How should the starting money for the Cavalier be rolled up? Same as Fighter?
How should the starting money for the Cavalier be rolled up? Same as Fighter?
I have the same question about the Oracle.
I matched the cavalier with the paladin and the oracle with the cleric in my playtest. Seems the most reasonable fit to me.
I matched the cavalier with the paladin and the oracle with the cleric in my playtest. Seems the most reasonable fit to me.
Sounds reasonable, aside from that fact that a Cavalier needs to harness, feed, and store his mount.
I matched the cavalier with the paladin and the oracle with the cleric in my playtest. Seems the most reasonable fit to me.Sounds reasonable, aside from that fact that a Cavalier needs to harness, feed, and store his mount.
True, the cavalier i ran, spent half his gold in loot on himself and the other half on the mount (heavy barding for a horse is expensive). But you also get a very good helper in exchange. I'd wait a little longer for the MW weapon in exchange for a badass horse that holds his own in combat, wouldnt you?
I'd wait a little longer for the MW weapon in exchange for a badass horse that holds his own in combat, wouldnt you?
Yes, depending on the campaign. Horse will not follow you into a dungeon, and is pretty useless in a tavern brawl, last time I checked. =P
I'd wait a little longer for the MW weapon in exchange for a badass horse that holds his own in combat, wouldnt you?Yes, depending on the campaign. Horse will not follow you into a dungeon, and is pretty useless in a tavern brawl, last time I checked. =P
Right but the campagn should impact whether or not you play one as well. It has the same problem as the old paladin did in not having a choice between the mount and something else. If mounted combat isnt good for the campaign its a semi-used ability. But its still there and a fair trade off for the gold. Not to mention you dont HAVE to spend much on the mounts. Horses can graze to eat, and you dont HAVE to stable your well trained mount. Nor are you required to give it armor. So if you arent going to make use of it, dont spend the gold on it.
Very true! I guess it depends on how forthcoming your DM is going to be with information.
Very true! I guess it depends on how forthcoming your DM is going to be with information.
Falls into the same category of things like favored enemy to me, the dm should give recomendations on favored enemy to a ranger, because this is a major class ability that could end up useless. If your dm isnt going to do this, dont play that class in his/her campaign, simple as that.
Once again, no argument here. But that brings us back to Square One -- if it's going to be used, Cavalier should have a decent amount of starting gold. No one wants a mangy mount. And if you have this special bond with your mount, would you allow it to sleep outside if it can be avoided? Would you do that to a fellow party member? It opens up a lot of interesting role play opportunities, as you are forced to make allowances for your 'special friend'. :)
Once again, no argument here. But that brings us back to Square One -- if it's going to be used, Cavalier should have a decent amount of starting gold. No one wants a mangy mount. And if you have this special bond with your mount, would you allow it to sleep outside if it can be avoided? Would you do that to a fellow party member? It opens up a lot of interesting role play opportunities, as you are forced to make allowances for your 'special friend'. :)
By the wording of the Mount(ex) you gain the services of loyal mount. It doesn't say you purchase a loyal mount. So I'd take that as you get choose a mount suitable for riding and it lists boar, camel, dog, horse, pony, and wolf to choose from. All of these have base stats under the Druid class in the core book. I'm not even sure what the cost of those animals actually if you went to purchase one.
Now the wording in the Cavalier isn't as clear on that as the Druid class and it closer to how the Ranger's animal companion is but not quite. This would be a bit of wording that I think should be bit more clear because it ambiguous enough that buying a mount could be one interpretation.
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Once again, no argument here. But that brings us back to Square One -- if it's going to be used, Cavalier should have a decent amount of starting gold. No one wants a mangy mount. And if you have this special bond with your mount, would you allow it to sleep outside if it can be avoided? Would you do that to a fellow party member? It opens up a lot of interesting role play opportunities, as you are forced to make allowances for your 'special friend'. :)By the wording of the Mount(ex) you gain the services of loyal mount. It doesn't say you purchase a loyal mount. So I'd take that as you get choose a mount suitable for riding and it lists boar, camel, dog, horse, pony, and wolf to choose from. All of these have base stats under the Druid class in the core book. I'm not even sure what the cost of those animals actually if you went to purchase one.
Now the wording in the Cavalier isn't as clear on that as the Druid class and it closer to how the Ranger's animal companion is but not quite. This would be a bit of wording that I think should be bit more clear because it ambiguous enough that buying a mount could be one interpretation.
Technically there are a lot more rideable creatures to choose from( based on your size ). For instance, I have been kicking around a gnome druid who rides the constrictor snake. Seems like it would be a fun character. Not really sure I'd allow it for Paladin or Cavalier though( maybe the Dragon Order... )
Once again, no argument here. But that brings us back to Square One -- if it's going to be used, Cavalier should have a decent amount of starting gold. No one wants a mangy mount. And if you have this special bond with your mount, would you allow it to sleep outside if it can be avoided? Would you do that to a fellow party member? It opens up a lot of interesting role play opportunities, as you are forced to make allowances for your 'special friend'. :)By the wording of the Mount(ex) you gain the services of loyal mount. It doesn't say you purchase a loyal mount. So I'd take that as you get choose a mount suitable for riding and it lists boar, camel, dog, horse, pony, and wolf to choose from. All of these have base stats under the Druid class in the core book. I'm not even sure what the cost of those animals actually if you went to purchase one.
Now the wording in the Cavalier isn't as clear on that as the Druid class and it closer to how the Ranger's animal companion is but not quite. This would be a bit of wording that I think should be bit more clear because it ambiguous enough that buying a mount could be one interpretation.
The Cavaliers main ability is in the Challenge, the Mount is a means of carrying out his primary his primary ability, whether it is across the battlefield or into the heart of a temple - the mount provides a means of access for the Cavalier to Challenge an opponent.
I think the different Orders would be a determination of starting money, as would the starting Oaths - an Oath of Greed provides 1,000 gp at every level, whereas the other Oaths (Chastity, Loyalty, Protection, Purity, Justice and Vengeance) do not provide this benefit.Since it is not restricted to Humans, like the original Cavalier from several years back, a Halfling, Dwarf or other Smaller sized Race using a War Pony, War Dog or any other animal would actually be able to traverse most Dungeons until they came to sort of precipice that prevented the animal from crossing, however, the mount's function and ability according to the Cavalier's level may even prevent that from occuring according to the description provided.
I would most likely go with the higher of Paladin or Fighter, it's not the mount that concerns me, a loyal mount is not really something that is purchased, it's slightly more difficult. It's the armour, barding and equipment (especially weaponry) that would be of more concern.
Every form of Cavalier in history, from Arabic Saracen to English Knight to Japanese Samurai, had the best in Armour, Sword, and missile weapons. That was the standard outfit of a Cavalier. Most of time it was inherited, especially if they were the first son, but a few provided their own after making a name for themselves in a battle. That's one of the ways to look at it, not exactly historical, but with a historical perspective - Cavaliers were upper class, Paladins were called to service by a diety, Cavaliers were Nobles, called to service by Kings, Counts, Barons or other titular heads of state.
I matched the cavalier with the paladin and the oracle with the cleric in my playtest. Seems the most reasonable fit to me.Sounds reasonable, aside from that fact that a Cavalier needs to harness, feed, and store his mount.
Doesn't the Paladin need to do this as well. It doesn't say anywhere in the class feature that the mount comes with anything. It's just an animal companion same as the Cavaliers but more intelligent off the start. You'd still need to put a saddle on the horse, feed the horse and store it somewhere.
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Doesn't the Paladin need to do this as well. It doesn't say anywhere in the class feature that the mount comes with anything. It's just an animal companion same as the Cavaliers but more intelligent off the start. You'd still need to put a saddle on the horse, feed the horse and store it somewhere.I matched the cavalier with the paladin and the oracle with the cleric in my playtest. Seems the most reasonable fit to me.Sounds reasonable, aside from that fact that a Cavalier needs to harness, feed, and store his mount.
A paladin magically summons his mount. While there is nothing written about it coming with tack and barding, there is also nothing about it needing feed or a stable in it's otherwhere from which it is summoned.
A paladin magically summons his mount. While there is nothing written about it coming with tack and barding, there is also nothing about it needing feed or a stable in it's otherwhere from which it is summoned.Doesn't the Paladin need to do this as well. It doesn't say anywhere in the class feature that the mount comes with anything. It's just an animal companion same as the Cavaliers but more intelligent off the start. You'd still need to put a saddle on the horse, feed the horse and store it somewhere.I matched the cavalier with the paladin and the oracle with the cleric in my playtest. Seems the most reasonable fit to me.Sounds reasonable, aside from that fact that a Cavalier needs to harness, feed, and store his mount.
Well feeding your horse is kind of common sense otherwise you end up with a dead horse due to starvation. Now I suppose you could just let it run wild then you wouldn't have to worry about feeding it but you might lose your horse too.
All that magical summoning does is bring you mount from it's current location to your side. It very well could be fully bard, saddled and ready to go if you did that prior to going out with expectations that you'd call your horse. You could also hire someone to do that for you in case you ever need to call your horse.